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[Savber100]

Terror_K wrote...

There's a difference between basic and broad concepts being done before that only effect the game from a narrative perspective, and an element with has been done to death in games and also directly impacts the gameplay and results in unimaginative bossfights and an attempt to be big an epic with then despite bringing absolutely nothing new to the table. The two bossfights in LotSB already by comparison seem more original and epic because they were fresh and different.

That thing just looks like something I've faced too many times in too many other games before without bringing anything new to the table. And BioWare were all, "Yeah! Look how big and badass and epic and badass this thing is! Look at the sense of awesome scale it projects!" And all I can do it watch it and think "fail!" at what they were apparently attempting. I enjoyed the other two demos quite a lot from E3, but the Spider Crab one was just lame.

Isn't it a little soon to call it a boss fight? From what I saw there was no weak spots and everything seems to point at this being a simple narrative piece as you try to escape. An orbital strike couldn"t take it down so why would Shepard's feeble guns stop it? 

I seriously doubt the Reaper would suddenly have weak spots as it resumes its chase. 

The only issue I had with that demo is that we weren't controlling the vehicle. It would have been prettty fun outrunning that thing. 

Modifié par Savber100, 16 juillet 2011 - 01:45 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Pulletlamer wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

You could, but that'd be silly because Terminator came out in 1984 and Robocop came out in 1987.

Wow. I'm ashamed. You beated me. Silly and pointless argument.
I never remember seeing Terminator before Robocop though, but still...doesn't change the facts.

The fact that Terminator predated Robocop aside, they're completely different. Terminators are cybernetic organisms with processors for brains and metal endoskeletons covered in flesh to disguise themselves. They were never, ever human and share nothing with us.

Robocop, on the other hand, was a human police officer named Murphy who was turned into a cyborg after his untimely (and grotesque) death. He experiences flashes of memory from his old life despite OCP's directives and their control over him. He also, to an extent, ends up remembering who he was (at the end of the movie, he refers to himeslf as Murphy). In no way does Robocop even remotely look like a Terminator either (not a "naked" T-800 with a metal endoskeleton at any rate).

[Fantazm1978]

If you asked someone who'd never seen any sci-fi but had knowledge of mechanics/balance/military stuff/human fears/etc to design a "large scary mechanical walker" then they'd probably come up with very similar stuff.

If you were giving it legs.........you'd give it 4 legs. It's not copying anything necessarily, it's just common bloody sense. One for each corner, symmetrical, stable, able to navigate different terrain, can't be felled easily. If you wanted to be anal about it you could go for 6 or even 8, but I think most would go with 4.

If you were giving it one main weapon, you'd probably make it central and raised up. Again it's not copying anything, it just makes sense.

If you also wanted to make it commonly 'scary' then you'd probably make it vaguely bug-like being that a lot of humans have fears/phobias about bugs, especially giant ones!

[slimgrin]

Fantazm1978 wrote...

If you asked someone who'd never seen any sci-fi but had knowledge of mechanics/balance/military stuff/human fears/etc to design a "large scary mechanical walker" then they'd probably come up with very similar stuff.

If you were giving it legs.........you'd give it 4 legs. It's not copying anything necessarily, it's just common bloody sense. One for each corner, symmetrical, stable, able to navigate different terrain, can't be felled easily. If you wanted to be anal about it you could go for 6 or even 8, but I think most would go with 4.

If you were giving it one main weapon, you'd probably make it central and raised up. Again it's not copying anything, it just makes sense.

If you also wanted to make it commonly 'scary' then you'd probably make it vaguely bug-like being that a lot of humans have fears/phobias about bugs, especially giant ones!

Or maybe it just looks like the mechs from G.O.W

[Exile Isan]

Chris Priestly wrote...
*Massive film nerd points if you get this reference without need of search engine.

"A Trip to the Moon", 1902, first science fiction film to grace the silver screen and one of the first to ever tell an actual story. And a film that Thomas Edison tried to steal and call his own, fortunately he didn't succeed. 

As to the actual topic at hand I see the similarities. Color, four legs, but nothing to roll out a lawsuit for.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 16 juillet 2011 - 02:13 .

[x-Legion-x]

I say I hope shepard can build optimus prime haha, let him kick the reapers butt

[sbvera13]

Lets see...

Geth Turning on Their Creators

Ancient Prothean Technology

Humans Have Special Genetics

Mass Effect Fields

Indoctrinated Races Fighting for the Reapers or Acting as Sleeper Agents

Husks, a form of Cybernetic Zombie

The Reapers, who are Robotic, Evil, Alien Bugs that Guide the rise of and then Harvest All Life and Use it to make more Reapers

I think the OP may be on to a serious issue here

[Someone With Mass]

Suddenly.

Tropes.

Tropes everywhere.

[sbvera13]

Mission Accomplished

[Volus Warlord]

I'm sorry, but leave that sleeper agent crap in BSG were it belongs. If they did that with ME3 it would just be /facepalm abundant.

[sbvera13]

Vigil talks about indoctirnated protheans being used as sleeper agents, so it's already in the game

[Someone With Mass]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I'm sorry, but leave that sleeper agent crap in BSG were it belongs. If they did that with ME3 it would just be /facepalm abundant.

The Protheans did it. Does that count?

[Nizzemancer]

x-Legion-x wrote...

I say I hope shepard can build optimus prime haha, let him kick the reapers butt

Does that mean we'll have to sit trough more of Megan Fox' acting? I mean don't get me wrong, it's very nice acting, especially when it's bouncing up and down and jiggling in slow motion and all that but I mean we've seen that now, it's done for, right?

Modifié par Nizzemancer, 16 juillet 2011 - 02:28 .

[Chuvvy]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

The reaper on the trailer is the EXACT same... it's not a tri-pod, it's not blue, it's not shooting rockets... It is a purple four legged thing crawling through a street with a head-laser, its an imported Scarab

-Scarab is a ground tank / troop carrier.

-Scarab can't go to space.

-Scarab is not a machine-organic thinking being. It's just a vehicle.

-Last time I checked, scarabs were purple and they had only four legs. The reapers are greyish-black and have more than four legs (6 or 8, I can't remember now). Check the end of ME2 and you'lll see they have more than four legs.

I think he's talking about the one walking on the ground you see it in the demo gameplay videos. It has four legs and I haddn't made the Scarab connection until now, but it is scarb esque. Fires the lazer from it's "eye", walks like one, about as big and I could see it being a troop carrier.

[didymos1120]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I'm sorry, but leave that sleeper agent crap in BSG were it belongs. If they did that with ME3 it would just be /facepalm abundant.

As others have pointed out, it's brought up by Vigil,  but the Indoctrination Codex entry discusses that application as well.  Also, "that sleeper agent crap" has been around a lot longer than the new BSG series.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 juillet 2011 - 03:44 .

[xentar]

Well, and I thought this was about "gather the races to save the world from Ancient Evil" scenario...

[Les_Carver]

Who can speak of "original, un-original" this days? Somebody tell me about a topic no one has ever written/painted/made a movie/whatever you want about.

We are living in an era of recycling, any formula that works at some point is repeated over and over until someone pukes and people starts looking for something else to imitate and recycle.

"Originality" this days, doesn't resides in topics, unique concepts, designs, etc. That field has been pretty much exhausted. "Originality" (specially in games, movies and books) resides in interesting ways of storytelling, in uncommon ways to turn something usual into something fresh an interesting. Like ME is doing with all this cliches and imitations many people here keep whining about.

Thank you.

Modifié par Les_Carver, 16 juillet 2011 - 05:12 .

[pablodurando]

Grunt Legacy, now that's original.

[Les_Carver]

Very!

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

The Terminator Ripped of the human Anatomy from countless other movies and even real life, OH MY GOD!!!! OP has a point.

[Praetor Knight]

pablodurando wrote...

Grunt Legacy, now that's original.

I'd love to play or see that.

[E-MailA.K.A.Mr.Fox]

How about Krogan Nation?