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[Dave of Canada]

KBomb wrote...

Everyone should look like they stay online day in and day out punching numbers on a keyboard instead of kicking ass. Amirite?

I'll use my keyboard as a melee weapon.

[KBomb]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'll use my keyboard as a melee weapon.

Haha ctrl + alt + delete will end you!

[Shepard Lives]

Dave of Canada wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Everyone should look like they stay online day in and day out punching numbers on a keyboard instead of kicking ass. Amirite?

I'll use my keyboard as a melee weapon.

I was thinking of ripping out the keys and loading them into my gun.

[Guanxi]

Every reaction I've ever seen to James Vega all over the internet is understandably overwhelmingly very negative. No focus testing in Edmonton, eh? The whole character concept is out of place and feels like a horribly misguided attempt at courting the cod crowd along with Kinect for the casuals and I think it's time to face the facts after 3 games... they're just not that into you. 

Conceptwise it's such a monumental turn off to any body with an ounce of taste or respect for the franchise and the medium... almost as bad as that heinous cover art. Rockstar have proven time and time again that content aimed at mature audiences can do bigger numbers with good marketing. Stop pandering to these hosers!

Conversely the British sniper would have been a monumenally better choice for bringing in new fans: Already a fan favorite and sparks mistery, intrique and discussion all around the internet because he is actually asthetically and thematically cool... what were you thinking?

Modifié par Guanxi, 18 juillet 2011 - 09:54 .

[FoxHound109]

Guanxi wrote...

Conceptwise it's such a monumental turn off to any body with an ounce of taste or respect for the franchise and the medium...

Opinions are facts now.

[Guanxi]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

Conceptwise it's such a monumental turn off to any body with an ounce of taste or respect for the franchise and the medium...

Opinions are facts now.

The Fact is that 33 pages of negative feedback speaks for itself.

[FoxHound109]

Guanxi wrote...

The Fact is that 33 pages of negative feedback speaks for itself.

Millions of people can like the color blue. Doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't lacks "an ounce of taste" or "respect for proper use of color." Sorry, but that just doesn't fly. I have no qualms with people disliking how he looks, I do have a problem when people think their opinion is fact and pretend like anyone who disagrees is "obviously wrong" or "lacking in taste."

Again, as stated in another thread: I think more important than wasting time trying to get Bioware to change how he looks, they could better use their time and money to write him an awesome background story and create a wonderful character. It's kind of ridiculous that there are three threads with dozens and dozens of pages arguing on whether on not Vega's nostrils are too big. I'm more worried about them making him BORING like Jacob. THAT'S a frightening thought, and something I think would definitely warrant pages and pages of complaints.

And just so we're clear: some of us find him appealing and it has nothing to do with the "COD" or "GoW" pandering, if you want to call it that. I absolutely loath both the Call of Duty and Gears of War series, but that doesn't change the fact that I like how Vega looks. And no, I don't think any of the characters in those other two series mentioned look good so don't think it's just a standard.

[ianmcdonald]

He doesn't look much bigger than Shepard or Jacob or anyone.

Stop whining.

[Guanxi]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Guanxi wrote...

The Fact is that 33 pages of negative feedback speaks for itself.

Millions of people can like the color blue. Doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't lacks "an ounce of taste" or "respect for proper use of color." Sorry, but that just doesn't fly. I have no qualms with people disliking how he looks, I do have a problem when people think their opinion is fact and pretend like anyone who disagrees is "obviously wrong" or "lacking in taste."

Again, as stated in another thread: I think more important than wasting time trying to get Bioware to change how he looks, they could better use their time and money to write him an awesome background story and create a wonderful character. It's kind of ridiculous that there are three threads with dozens and dozens of pages arguing on whether on not Vega's nostrils are too big. I'm more worried about them making him BORING like Jacob. THAT'S a frightening thought, and something I think would definitely warrant pages and pages of complaints.

And just so we're clear: some of us find him appealing and it has nothing to do with the "COD" or "GoW" pandering, if you want to call it that. I absolutely loath both the Call of Duty and Gears of War series, but that doesn't change the fact that I like how Vega looks. And no, I don't think any of the characters in those other two series mentioned look good so don't think it's just a standard.

As far as i'm concerned i'm trying to articulate what I feel is the broader sentiment of the base encasulated in this character concept art/thread: this design and character as far as i'm concerned is the catagoracal embodiment of everything I feel that is wrong with the industry.... this money-corrupted cancerous homogenization seeping over into everything from such god awful shiite you so kindly listed.

Modifié par Guanxi, 18 juillet 2011 - 10:37 .

[FoxHound109]

Guanxi wrote...

As far as i'm concerned i'm trying to articulate what I feel is the broader sentiment of the base encasulated in this character concept art/thread: this design and character as far as i'm concerned is the catagoracal embodiment of everything I feel that is wrong with the industry.... this cancerous homogenization seeping over into everything from such god awful shiite.

I really don't mean to come off as being so brash, I just find that attitude frustrating, but no offense intended.

Personally, I don't see this as a "cancer" so much as I see stupid, badly written characters as a cancer in gaming. As long as they can write him well, I don't care if he looks a little meatheaded.

[Guanxi]

FoxHound109 wrote...

I really don't mean to come off as being so brash, I just find that attitude frustrating, but no offense intended.

Personally, I don't see this as a "cancer" so much as I see stupid, badly written characters as a cancer in gaming. As long as they can write him well, I don't care if he looks a little meatheaded.

I think you know and I know that they're spending too much time trying to lure the meatheads away from this excrement with 'characters' they can relate to. Characterization is going the way of skill trees. If MW3 breaks 20 million we're all screwed.

Modifié par Guanxi, 18 juillet 2011 - 10:46 .

[FoxHound109]

Guanxi wrote...
I think you know and I know that they're spending too much time trying to lure the meatheads away from this excrement with 'characters' they can relate to. Characterization is going the way of skill trees. If MW3 breaks 20 million we're all screwed.

You could argue that Miranda was a way to lure some of those hormonal teenage boys with her incredibly perfect body, but Bioware gave her a fantastic story regardless. All I'm saying is that, regardless of their intentions on who they want to appeal to, it might just turn out that Vega could be a really neat character.

And characterization isn't really going away. Bioware and Irrational Games have been doing pretty amazing things for character development and making huge profits off their games. The only reason FAIL of Duty is so big is for the same reason World of Warcraft is so big: the multiplayer component. But for single player games, Bioware's RPGs are immensely successful (as they should be).

Modifié par FoxHound109, 18 juillet 2011 - 10:51 .

[rapscallioness]

I like him......(I wouldn't mind him having the voice of whoever played ezio auditore in AC.....)

[IggyD]

Well said, Rez.

[KBomb]

Guanxi wrote...


I think you know and I know that they're spending too much time trying to lure the meatheads away from this excrement with 'characters' they can relate to. Characterization is going the way of skill trees. If MW3 breaks 20 million we're all screwed.

Yeah. I play both Gears of War and CoD and I know as a 120lb female that barely reaches the intimidating height of five foot two inches--that nothing is more relatable than a big beefcake! I don’t even know why I play games that have any other body type tbh. I mean, everyone knows that any one who plays fps just sit around scanning the internet for games that have huge males with bulging muscles because that is what gets our blood pumping! I mean, that has to be the reason, right? It has to be! It can’t possibly be that that every time a decision is made it doesn’t have to correlate into “Omg they play this type of game and so they fit into this [insert typical stereotype here]. It could be that opinions are based on individual likes and dislikes. It couldn’t possibly be that someone thinks complaining and moaning something as minuscule as a pre-game screen of a character they know absolutely nil about is utterly ridiculous. Y/N? Or maybe it’s just more fun to insult those who like a vast majority of games instead of admitting that you don’t like it because it isn’t what you want.

[FoxHound109]

Rezources wrote...

But he doesn't need to look like a fratboy either.

I don't think he looks like fratboy, personally speaking. To me he looks like an average soldier/marine, and that's probably the ONLY issue I have with his look. But if I'm gonna' complain about that, I might as well take issue with default male Commander Shepard. Shepard looks like a super model, honestly, and not at all like a soldier. Why is this not an issue for anyone? 

I expected him to have muscles and be pragmatic about armor but that can be done without making him look like the exact kind of person bioware/EA is clearly aiming the game at now. Or at least, what they imagine those people look like.

I highly doubt most people who play Call of Duty look like typical marines, and I highly doubt that Bioware/EA think they do either. If they do, they need to invest their million dollar budget into some serious research.

James Vega is trying too hard to be cool and he's doing it in a way thats been way overdone in videogames. Visual design is as big a part of a character as writting is and it's on that basis that people will get their first impression.

Again, Miranda.

"Miranda Lawson is trying too hard to be hot and pandering to teenage boys in a way that's been way overdone in videogames."

Doesn't really mean much considering her storyline is brilliant and a complete deconstruction of the Mary Sue archetype. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that Bioware will do something great with him, mind you, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

Even if Vega is well-written and interesting, what is gained from having him look like that?

What's gained from making him look different aisde from saying: "WE'RE NOT CALL OF DUTY"?

Bioware can get the point across that Vega is young and inexperienced without giving him a haircut that's probably even less "cool" a hundred years from now than it is now.

See, this is where the assumptions falter. You're assuming that he's "inexperienced" because of his haircut. If I remember correctly, Vega is supposed to be an excellent soldier, just not experienced with the political tribulations of the Mass Effect Universe. His hair can mean to you that he lacks experience, but as far as I'm aware, on the battlefield he's supposed to be quite capable.

Modifié par FoxHound109, 18 juillet 2011 - 11:21 .

[FoxHound109]

lightsnow13 wrote...
I love that Casey Hudson tweeted about James Vega remaining the way he is. That makes me respect their decisions even more -- they're not going to give in to everyones demands about a ridiculous face change.

Please link to this! I would love to read it! 

[earthbornFemShep]

When I saw him I automatically thought, "yay! finally a man for the gay mansheps." He seriously looks like a few of my gay friends. I honestly hope he's the s/s option for the guys. I think my femsheps would rather just be friends with Vega, and maybe my Shepards will finally have someone to go dancing with at the Citadel clubs.

[FoxHound109]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

When I saw him I automatically thought, "yay! finally a man for the gay mansheps." He seriously looks like a few of my gay friends. I honestly hope he's the s/s option for the guys. I think my femsheps would rather just be friends with Vega, and maybe my Shepards will finally have someone to go dancing with at the Citadel clubs.

Heh, heh! This post made me smile! <3

[KBomb]

Rezources wrote...

Let me clarify: I like that he doesn't look like a supermodel. I like that he has flaws like a real person. I like that his nose is a little flat and he's big but not really defined. Going back through this thread, I see how many people are upset about those things and I'm not one of them. It's that damn haircut that I cannot stand. If he is a professional killer and not some inexperienced kid, than that makes that haircut even more terrible. I would hope someone like that would have a little more sense.

I would hope Bioware decides not to go down the same route of "I may look this way but actually I'm completely the opposite" again with Vega like they did with Miranda. Relying mostly on contradicting a character's looks with their personality does not always make a deep, interesting character, especially if it has already been done in a previous game.

It worked with Miranda because it made sense. She was made to be genetically perfect but could never be perfect because she was a human being with emotions. She lets Shepard know this from the beginning and it immediately excuses her appearance and made for an interesting character even before her loyalty mission because conversations with her would go from what she could do to what she couldn't do and why she thought she didn't have an excuse for it.

With Vega, if he acts the way he looks in the beginning, I'll still hate him for half of the game or at whatever point he decides to come clean about his insecurities and fears. The best way to differ that kind of arc with Miranda's would be to make him so ridiculously cocky that's it's kind of funny and endearing and then reveal how pants-crappingly scared he really is. Still though, that's basically the same as Miranda's arc.

Okay, okay. I get that you don’t like his hair. That I can deal with. Personal preference is understandable, but how on earth does his haircut define his experience or how does it imply he lacks “sense”? Honestly, does that mean that one day perhaps he had a typical GI cut was kicking all sorts of ass and then decided to change his hairstyle and suddenly forgot which end of the gun to shoot from? I don’t understand this logic at all.

I am waiting for the “This doesn’t fit in with Mass Effect lore” argument now.