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[My_Decemberling]

Em23 wrote...

My_Decemberling wrote...

Wait...Wait... I think I just saw the impossible. Four people on BSN actually had a debate with each other and ended it respectfully without divulging into personal insults?... I never thought I'd see the day... I'm so - I'm so happy
*snip*

btw, I don't get why this picture is often used to express happiness?
In the movie she's just learned her brother died if I recall correctly.

I confess I've never seen the movie. I've just seen the gif. lol.

On topic, though, I would love Kaidan to be Bi. But if he isn't, I wouldn't loose sleep over it. I thankful that the Mass Effect team FINALLY decided to put in a M/M option and I'll be happy with whoever it is....Unless it's a Hanar or something....That would be awkward...

[jlb524]

Also, (I'll keep talking here) those that want more s/s options are not trying to push some gay agenda on people. We are not trying to say, "Everyone in the world is really gay or bisexual" nor should they be nor that 'heterosexuality sucks'.

We are not out for sympathy and definitely not out to push a political agenda.

It comes down to this...we play the game and really like <character X> and we want to get to know <character X> better...especially if they are an LI. We want to romance the <character X> LI just like others already are doing...but we want to do it with our idealized version of 'Shepard', which may be based on ourselves or on a character we've created and have grown attached to (which would explain why straight people want to do s/s romances as well).

It's kind of a downer to know that the romance content for <character X> is already included in game, but you can't access it just because of a gender check, especially when considering that there's no other 'realistic' checks on the romance.

Some tend to misconstrue this issue as something greater than that when it's not. People simply really like a character and connect with them and want them to be 'their' Shepard's LI...period. They want the same freedom to pick their LI as some others have and already enjoy.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 juillet 2011 - 06:59 .

[shepskisaac]

ReconTeam wrote...

Don't bother. It's just me and Eromenos arguing for the rest of our natural lives (and possibly in hell after that) because we're both too stubborn to ever agree to disagree and both lack the common sense to withdraw from the argument in order to do important things.

Agree. We should instead focusing on planning what to put our ManSheps in for the first date with Kaidan. Kasumi evening suit or maybe Cerberus Officer's suit? Ugh decisions decisions

GodWood wrote...
I know what he says, I save him in my canon.
He's just being bromotional is all.

Seems like a bit too tight bromance to me

[Inquisitor Recon]

People are entitled to LI content? I must have missed that back in the original Baldur's Gate. Eromenos we are never going to agree and if I let myself I would keep posting walls of text like that. But if it's any consolation I am feeling slightly more generous to the rest of the S/S crowd after meeting a real fanatic.

[Inquisitor Recon]

IsaacShep wrote...
Agree. We should instead focusing on planning what to put our ManSheps in for the first date with Kaidan. Kasumi evening suit or maybe Cerberus Officer's suit? Ugh decisions decisions

And thus the reapers exterminated humanity.

[shepskisaac]

ReconTeam wrote...
And thus the reapers exterminated humanity.

My Shep will not only score a hot Kaidan booty but will destroy the Reapers and take over the Galaxy at the same time. When your's gonna multitask this well?

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...

People are entitled to LI content? I must have missed that back in the original Baldur's Gate. Eromenos we are never going to agree and if I let myself I would keep posting walls of text like that. But if it's any consolation I am feeling slightly more generous to the rest of the S/S crowd after meeting a real fanatic.

No one is entitled to any romance content.

However, given the mechanics of adding it in and the fact that most don't even play through it, I can't see a good argument for limiting it based only on gender.  If you do...please let me know. 

And again...it has nothing to do with politics...really...it's more like, people want options to shape their own character and that includes LI choice.  You always try to oversimplify the issue and make it political.

[Ghost Lightning]

IsaacShep wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
And thus the reapers exterminated humanity.

My Shep will not only score a hot Kaidan booty but will destroy the Reapers and take over the Galaxy at the same time. When your's gonna multitask this well?

lol @ hot kaiden booty XD

[PlumPaul93]

jlb524 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

People are entitled to LI content? I must have missed that back in the original Baldur's Gate. Eromenos we are never going to agree and if I let myself I would keep posting walls of text like that. But if it's any consolation I am feeling slightly more generous to the rest of the S/S crowd after meeting a real fanatic.

No one is entitled to any romance content.

However, given the mechanics of adding it in and the fact that most don't even play through it, I can't see a good argument for limiting it based only on gender.  If you do...please let me know. 

And again...it has nothing to do with politics...really...it's more like, people want options to shape their own character and that includes LI choice.  You always try to oversimplify the issue and make it political.

But that's the thing you guys don't write the characters for ME (luckily the devs do). I wanted to be able to try to romance aveline but I didn't even get an option to express interest but ooh well, it happens. There needs to be restrictions regarding things like this because even though it doesn't matter much it adds some realism that characters wouldn't be into shepard for whatever reason (gender possibly being one of them).

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:14 .

[KawaiiKatie]

IsaacShep wrote...

We should instead focusing on planning what to put our ManSheps in for the first date with Kaidan. Kasumi evening suit or maybe Cerberus Officer's suit? Ugh decisions decisions

Birthday suit. <3

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

But that's the thing you guys don't write the characters for ME (luckily the devs do). I wanted to be able to try to romance aveline but I didn't even get an option to express interest but ooh well, it happens. There needs to be restrictions regarding things like this because even though it doesn't matter much it adds some realism that characters wouldn't be into shepard.

Aveline doesn't have romance paths included...regardless of gender or anything.  The code and dialog just isn't there.

My point is...if the devs already put the time and effort to make <character X> a romance option and don't limit that based on class/race/morality, why add in the gender limitation?

Modifié par jlb524, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:15 .

[lobi]

Would it not be better for everyone if Kaiden and Ashley hook up with each other?
Then juvinile jerk Shep could walk into their quarters and yell "Snap Inspection!" at the worst possible time.

[Inquisitor Recon]

jlb524 wrote...
My point is...if the devs already put the time and effort to make <character X> a romance option and don't limit that based on class/race/morality, why add in the gender limitation?

Because not everybody likes the idea of bisexuals as some sort of compromise for everybody? Why shouldn't the LI's have a defined personality when it comes to the gender they sleep with?

[PlumPaul93]

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

But that's the thing you guys don't write the characters for ME (luckily the devs do). I wanted to be able to try to romance aveline but I didn't even get an option to express interest but ooh well, it happens. There needs to be restrictions regarding things like this because even though it doesn't matter much it adds some realism that characters wouldn't be into shepard.

Aveline doesn't have romance paths included...regardless of gender or anything.  The code and dialog just isn't there.

My point is...if the devs already put the time and effort to make <character X> a romance option and don't limit that based on class/race/morality, why add in the gender limitation?

Then they should have done it from the start because it would of at least made sense for characters who would be bi (although unrealistic) if it was done in ME1 or 2. Doing it at this point would be a rewrite (although kaidan or ashley possibly make sense) and I don't want things like that done. Let the devs write the characters the way they were meant to be written please.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:22 .

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
My point is...if the devs already put the time and effort to make <character X> a romance option and don't limit that based on class/race/morality, why add in the gender limitation?

Because not everybody likes the idea of bisexuals as some sort of compromise for everybody? Why shouldn't the LI's have a defined personality when it comes to the gender they sleep with?

Why don't you like it?

Also, I don't think 'who you want to sleep with' really defines your personality.  These characters have interesting personaliites beyond romance, which is why I still like them even if not romanced.   I (as a FemShep) can avoid any romance or flirting with the male LIs in ME2...does that take away from their personality somehow?  Do they have to hit on me to be fully realized characters?

[Maugrim]

ReconTeam wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
My point is...if the devs already put the time and effort to make <character X> a romance option and don't limit that based on class/race/morality, why add in the gender limitation?

Because not everybody likes the idea of bisexuals as some sort of compromise for everybody? Why shouldn't the LI's have a defined personality when it comes to the gender they sleep with?

But what makes the gender limitation special above all the other ones that could and realistically should apply?  I mean if  I was an NPC in the ME universe I'd sleep with a paragon mShep way before I'd sleep with renedouche fShep and I identify as a lesbian. 

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Then they should have done it from the start because it would of at least made sense for characters who would be bi (although unrealistic) if it was done in ME1 or 2. Doing it at this point would be a rewrite (although kaidan or ashley possibly make sense) and I don't want things like that done. Let the devs write the characters the way they were meant to be written please.

The devs will do what they do...they did it in the past by changing Tali and Garrus as far as romance goes.  Also, keep in mind that many people change their public sexuality over their lifetime.  In earlier years, they may have identified (publicly) as straight but now they identify as bisexual...that's not a stretch by any means.  

Public sexuality doesn't necessarily equal private sexuality.

[Inquisitor Recon]

jlb524 wrote...
Why don't you like it?

Also, I don't think 'who you want to sleep with' really defines your personality.  These characters have interesting personaliites beyond romance, which is why I still like them even if not romanced.   I (as a FemShep) can avoid any romance or flirting with the male LIs in ME2...does that take away from their personality somehow?  Do they have to hit on me to be fully realized characters?

I'm afraid I've been over my opinions way too often today to restate them again. But I'd prefer a mix of straight and gay/bisexual LIs (DA:O) over everybody being bisexual (DA2).

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Why don't you like it?

Also, I don't think 'who you want to sleep with' really defines your personality.  These characters have interesting personaliites beyond romance, which is why I still like them even if not romanced.   I (as a FemShep) can avoid any romance or flirting with the male LIs in ME2...does that take away from their personality somehow?  Do they have to hit on me to be fully realized characters?

I'm afraid I've been over my opinions way too often today to restate them again. But I'd prefer a mix of straight and gay/bisexual LIs (DA:O) over everybody being bisexual (DA2).

Why?  Also, DA:O did not have a mix of gay/bisexual/straight...there were two heterosexuals and two bisexuals.  Keep in mind...they will never make strictly gay LIs for game dev reasons...if they will be 'gamey' about that, why not go with all bi LIs and just give everyone the option to romance who they wish with their preferred gender?

[PlumPaul93]

jlb524 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Then they should have done it from the start because it would of at least made sense for characters who would be bi (although unrealistic) if it was done in ME1 or 2. Doing it at this point would be a rewrite (although kaidan or ashley possibly make sense) and I don't want things like that done. Let the devs write the characters the way they were meant to be written please.

The devs will do what they do...they did it in the past by changing Tali and Garrus as far as romance goes.  Also, keep in mind that many people change their public sexuality over their lifetime.  In earlier years, they may have identified (publicly) as straight but now they identify as bisexual...that's not a stretch by any means.  

Public sexuality doesn't necessarily equal private sexuality.

It becomes a stretch once you want it done to up to 9-10 characters. If it was 1-4 I wouldn't mind much but really all LI's is just to much.

[KawaiiKatie]

ReconTeam wrote...

But I'd prefer a mix of straight and gay/bisexual LIs (DA:O) over everybody being bisexual (DA2).

Actually, yeah. The Mass Effect series has nine love-interests, and we might be getting even more in ME3. The cast is definitely diverse enough that, if Bioware wanted to, they could have a good mix of heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual love-interests. And that would be pretty cool.

[Inquisitor Recon]

jlb524 wrote...
Why?  Also, DA:O did not have a mix of gay/bisexual/straight...there were two heterosexuals and two bisexuals.  Keep in mind...they will never make strictly gay LIs for game dev reasons...if they will be 'gamey' about that, why not go with all bi LIs and just give everyone the option to romance who they wish with their preferred gender?

Straight/bisexual then. It fit the character's personalities in DA:O. The DA2 route is blatant fanservice to downright unacceptable levels. Remember that people want to romance everything on these boards, doesn't mean it is a good idea for Bioware to implement.

[jlb524]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

It becomes a stretch once you want it done to up to 9-10 characters. If it was 1-4 I wouldn't mind much but really all LI's is just to much.

I actually agree with that and made a post earlier in this thread speaking to this issue.   I don't think they will make all the past ME LIs bisexual nor do I think they should (given game dev limitations with how many LIs there are).   I wouldn't mind if they did, but I don't see them doing it...possibly only a few of them.   As I mentioned, Ashley and Kaidan might be the easiest for them to do.

In a game like DA2, it's diffrerent, as there's only 4 LIs to work with and it's not a huge resource drain to make them all open to both genders.

[jlb524]

ReconTeam wrote...

Straight/bisexual then. It fit the character's personalities in DA:O. 

How so?

ReconTeam wrote...
The DA2 route is blatant fanservice to downright unacceptable levels. Remember that people want to romance everything on these boards, doesn't mean it is a good idea for Bioware to implement.

No, that's why BW only implemented 4 romances for DA2 and others were blocked off.  Again, you could say that all romances are fanservice as they are only created for a minority of players.  I can't see why it's so bad to allow anyone (regardless of gender/class/morality) to romance the 4 given LIs when they are already taking the time to add romance content for each of them.   They are already moving resources to these romances in order to add them to the game (and most don't even play them) so why impose further limitations on the and not simply allow those that want them to complete them with their preferred PC?

Modifié par jlb524, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:39 .

[KawaiiKatie]

jlb524 wrote...

Keep in mind...[Bioware] will never make strictly gay LIs for game dev reasons...

Well, yes, that has been true of Bioware games in the past, but I think that someday we will see exclusively-gay love interests in a Bioware game. The demographics of gamers are changing all the time, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware decided to "take a risk" on a gay-exclusive romance. I also wouldn't be surprised if such content reflected positively on sales.

Also, let's not forget Juhani! Though her romance was initially "bugged" to allow her to be romanced by a player of either gender, she was intended to be a lesbian, and is canonically considered such.