Can't give this up eh? You are persistent, I'll grant you that. Horribly wrong, but persistent.
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I'm sure you do! And why not? The M/M which I love and you hate is on the record as polluting "your ME3. So of course I am pumping out tears of mirth, definitely all the way.
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Well it would be awfully rude of me wonder about the psychology of one who cries with joy over virtual same-sex romance options in a sci-fi video game about saving the galaxy.
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And how do you propose to "get through" to me? I live in the real world more than you do, judging by your ineptitude with failed rhetoric that I turned back against you. I'm afraid you're the one who is out of touch here.
PM chatting with you carries no value to me. If I'm going to rub your face in your own tactics, I'm not going to waste my time doing it where others can't see it.
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Well I might get in trouble with the law if I tried to get through into your head with a tire iron, so I'll suppose I'll just have to hope something I say registers. You live in the real world more than myself? Yeah, an internet crusader like yourself demanding Bioware do what you say sure has their priorites straight. But I'm amuzed that you think you've accomplished these great victories against myself in our discussion. If it helps you sleep go ahead and think that, I'm not entirely heartless you see. Rub it in my face? I'm still waiting for you to do so kid, all I'm seeing here is a bunch of empty boasting and whining.
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Nonsense, you say? I'm the one who is actually out and about with my senses actually alert in a pervasive environment that is still coping with having to acknowledge people like me existing. Unlike your preference for covering eyes and ears in hopes that the teh ghey will go away. Pray harder.
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Yes, nonsense. Shall I bring out a dictionary? What your senses perceive are quite warped by this persecution complex, so I don't see much valid there. I'm amazed that you haven't learned this during your life yet, but few people care that homosexuals exist, and even fewer care that you in particular exist. Why should they? People look out for themselves and their close friends and family. You think whining and ranting is going to make people care and respect you just because you're gay? You think society owes you something? I'm afraid you're going to be sorely dissapointed. Because nobody owes you anything in life.
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It's good you brought up "heterosexuals are the cause of all of my problems" because the majority of it does stem from ignorant cavalier heterocentric bravado. The rest of it is made up of emotionally-brutalized queer people too afraid to be more than "grateful" for being allowed to be pets and tokens.
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The big bad straight males out to get you? I don't care how you think you've been wronged. No game developer owes you anything. Me and the rest of the big bad straight males don't owe you anything. People shouldn't be expected to recognize you or pay attention to you just because you're gay. "Emtionally-brutalized queer people?" Get over yourself. You requested content and for whatever reason you got it, you should be grateful regardless of their reasons. Damned grateful.
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Excuse me, but you say this is the male homosexual-relationship possible in DAO? Certainly not. The M/M factor is occluded by the fact that he's a tokenized cop-out who exhibited an overtly stronger predeliction for females, all factors to assuage newbies like you. He's rendered into the sharply numerical minority as a patronized-stereotype of bisexuals which the ignorant segment of heterosexuals find tolerable such as yourself, thus cheapening him for actual queer people. I've read accounts of gay kids who cried their own genuine tears of mirth at being "allowed" to have something with him, yet if they ever wake up they will feel much less keen at being patronized.
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So because you didn't like Zevran you think Bioware is being "hetrocentric"? What a load of crap. It's a damn shame you think him stereotypical yet that isn't mine, nor Bioware's problem. Patronized? People like yourself are the reason Bioware should just ignore all of the S/S demands. Nothing is good enough for you.
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In fact everyone including me is entitled to being treated with the truth that adult sexuality is broader than what you want to believe, and that this should do so in a way that guarantees the one bit of it that you value is no more than just that. Thus the quota matter you find disagreeable is actually a blessing for so long as incompetents like the ME devs need their hand held and struck with a ruler when they can't get it right on their own. i.e., queers onscreen for ME, and using its Americanized scifi military. Speaking of that, the PM subject you alluded to is apt here; Americanized queer soldiers in space hundreds of years following the collapse of DADT is a logical outcome.
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Nobody is entitled to anything in life. Get that through your head. If you want to buy into these radical ideas about sexuality go ahead, but don't expect me or anybody else for that matter to care. You think you deserve a quota? You don't. You can define yourself around your sexuality as much as you like, yet you shouldn't expect other people to care or treat you special. Need their hand struck by a ruler? I see you still cling to the idea that you are much more important than you actually are. They don't owe "queers" like you any apperances. No, "Americanized queer" soldiers won't be the logical outcome because they will be expected to hold themselves to certain standards which would prevent them from behaving like spoiled, flamboyant children as you do.
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Your credibility tanked as usual the moment you attempted some vague ploy with SOC you pulled out of your ass to try derailing me. That didn't work did it, after I taught you a measure of what SOC really is. You tried again with race, but again failed. You then tried to minimize the influence of queer gamers, yet you met the same lack of results. Truth ain't gentle.
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My credibility? Please. You're the one preaching these BS theories and continuing this argument because I offended your delicate sensibilities. Somebody like you who feels they are entitled to stuff like this has no credability. So don't presume to speak to me about such matters, because you haven't accomplished any of these things in your pathetic argument. All you've done is repeat the same unsupported nonsense and idea that you are owed this stuff
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Ah, so the "official critics." The same type who praised DAO and ME2, I take it. Both of which were terrible disappointments from BioWare. Both of them skewed as str8 white male fantasy universes even when playing as a woman, it's no wonder they praised those two. Whereas ME1 and DA2 compelled everyone to be small fish among humanoids who were largely indifferent to players' whining. Oops, there's some entitlement gone.
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The fact that you think these games were terrible disappointments doesn't make them so. Whine as much as you want about "skewed str8 white male fantasy universes" but the facts are that people really enjoyed both games. You're persecution complex doesn't make your opinion any more important. You make these baseless claims and try to pass them off as fact because they didn't pander to you? You're going to have to try better than that.
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I do know that many customers also didn't like DA2. So did their team. Obviously, anyone who hates a concept like DA2 because of his/her own biphobic reasons is not worth entertaining. So sorry for you.
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This forum really needs a roll eyes emoticon. People hated DA2 because they were "biphobic?" How many other lies are you going to try to sell me today?
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It's cute that you make excuses for BioWare even in their coding department. DA2 looks and runs so much better than DAO, and yet DAO is the one with poor implementation of combat and resources. One thing I will say is the Nightmare tweaking is shameful.
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Excuses? I'm just saying that my computer was not a POS like your own. DA2 looks better? Compare the darkspawn for a second then come back to me. DA:Os combat also involved strategy and planning, but of course it seems like you're more interested in sleeping with other men than meaningful gameplay.
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This may or may not surprise you, but an analogy for our opposing ideas about DA is similar to the Star Trek divide between Kirk and Sisko. One is just a privileged cowboy who earned nothing to get everything that's handed to him, whereas the other one works with diverse people who are stuck with the reality of having to share/fight over limited resources. And they actually challenge concepts of status quo and ideologies left and right. So of course you like DAO so much, it's just reassurance of your tired str8 white male fantasy.
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Oh yes Kirk automatically had it easy because he was a white straight male... sure. Kirk made his own name for himself in Starfleet. He wasn't concerned with nonsense like your complaints about a "hetrocentic society" because he had a mission and a greater cause. I have no doubt you hate him however for being the sort of male who doesn't represent your vision of society.
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Does he? Actually, Gaider has more in common with you than myself. Like you, the last time we butted heads he was every bit as proprietary as you are about the 99/1 hetero/bi split in DAO. He "disagreed with" me regarding all-bi LIs. In his Gamespy interview he still (inexplicably) tries to reassure gamers who want to see Anders as purely str8 that they can indeed when playing as FHawke. Who's that for, really? I doubt anyone believes him, but all the same you can have Gaider all for yourself.
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Gaider has always seemed somewhat egotistical and a devotee of political correctness. In that sense he has much more in common with you. Defending the DA development teams from the slanderous lies of you hardly changes where his own opinions fall. You just happen to be more radical than he is. But please, go ahead and play Mr. Tough Guy and dismiss your greatest supporter. Maybe it will teach him something about a lack of gratitude.
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You're actually half-right about my reasons for having little interest in the S/S area. In ME, they have nothing to be grateful for. And unlike them, I don't have to segregate myself just to make room for homophobes.
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Frankly, your opinion of who is homophobic and who isn't is completely worthless. I'd hold the opinion of those Iranian security officials who declare tourists to be western spies in higher regard than what you have to say about homophobia. You expect people to pander to you, to treat you special, to approve of whatever you do and share your beliefs. Well it doesn't work that way.
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You're the one who brought up all 3 of those topics to attempt invalidating me, but every time I proved that you had no grasp for what you were trying. Go for sociology? Uh-oh, social constructionism actually doesn't suit your argument. Go for race? Uh-oh, your careless rudimentary grasp for the energies and politics that distinguish visibilities of race and sexuality in ME also ended up not suiting your argument. Go for calling queer gamers as a small, vocal minority? Uh-oh, aside for that being a meaningless canned label ages ago, the reality of frequent queer-oriented threads past, present, and undoubtedly future usingmore articulate thoughts than yours also signified developments unfriendly to your argument. As a bonus, I also threw in remarks about larger media institutions than BioWare playing their own part in forcing ME to include M/M. Feel free to change your posts, but I've already quoted your mistakes in detail.
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I love this revisionist history you've invented. You've derailed this from the start and haven't proven a thing. Your entire argument consists of some child-like sense of entitlement and claims that society is out to get you. I say something that is common sense and you talk about some BS sociology theory trying to justify your opinion. Politics? You're about as neutral as a member of the PLO when it comes to politics. I hate to break this to you but you
are a small vocal minority and you have offered nothing factual to prove otherwise. Quoted my mistakes? Are you always this delusional or are you just like this when it comes to S/S matters?
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Military culture also supposedly forbids explicit M/F liasons within the ranks. Alas, the reality of this situation doesn't suit you again. This infallible honorable duty-bound hierarchal institution as you no doubt perceive it is crewed by humans with sex-drives. Many of whom happen to be queer. Given how American militaries segregate along lines of sex, M/M couplings are actually more encouraged than the M/F versions BioWare played into with Ashley.
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The reality of this situation? The reality of this situation is that M/F "relations" while on duty occur only rarely because said regulations forbid it. Your idea that M/M relationships would be more encouraged is pure nonsense I'm afraid, in fact they'd be frowned down upon even more. But from what I've seen you don't care for facts when they threaten your "vision" for society and the military.
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Those regulations you allude to also apply to any potential M/F couplings, but they don't work. The only thing on the books, as you say, that kept M/M from being open season to the same or greater ratio as M/F was the DADT, for which even the Pentagon will soon issue textual certification for repeal. Between now and the time of the Americanized military in ME, it's going to be smoother sailing for M/M. Latent homophobia will obviously take its own time dying, but given how the males hotbunk and more, queer soldiers throughout the ranks will have it even better than the straights.
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Don't work? They work the majority of the time. The fact is that a M/M relationship while on duty would get those involved punished or discharged for violating any number of regulations. The same would apply to a soldier hitting on others in uniform or disturbing individuals with information about their bedroom life. This is also more likely to be reported and acted upon than any M/F relationship. Even with DADT repealed a soldier isn't going to be able to act like a flaming homosexual or sleep with other soldiers. The fact that you think otherwise is nothing but outright disrespect to the United States military and those men and women serving. I hate to remind you this, but even without DADT homosexuality has no place in our military.
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Oh, the shock troopers who happen to be an overglorified minority within the broader military machine? Yes, I care about their concerns so much. No doubt they share your thinking that a queer male soldier must be incapable and also flamboyantly sex-craved. 5'1" Marine Staff Sgt. Eric Alva commanded men under him who were no doubt both hetero and queer, so it seems there are non-straight men who can hack it even better than straight men out there./
The idea of a queer-friendly society for which you want to trivialize is coincidentally happening around you, and to yet another one of your toys, I might add. Male lovers within militaries were common before, and can be common again. Even better now is that F/F lovers will have their stake as well. In case you're still dulled by ancient histories, the European Union's take on this is even further along than the U.S. Among them happens to be English-speaking Great Britain.
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You've clearly demonstrated to me that you don't care about our military or those serving in it other than your beloved "queers." Overglorified shock troops? It is their opinions that must come first on a matter like this for obvious reasons. You want to go into hypothetical scenarios? A good soldier can be any number of things, yet if he is a homosexual he certainly wouldn't behave in a manner similar to yourself or be hitting on and dating other men on duty. What was common in Ancient Greece isn't applicable today, no matter how much depraved individuals like yourself want it to be so. What European militiaries do is not my concern, especially considering how often their budgets are cut by greedy politicians who have gotten used to the United States carrying their weight for them. Yes soldiers in the UK can be openly gay. Yet you think that means they are allowed to have relationships with officers and other soldiers? No it does not. Sailor jokes aside, your idea of what the military will become is pure nonsense.
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In all the times I've read you, there has only ever been homophobic rhetoric and repetition coming out of you. As for me, I could fall for your bravado and resort to trying to defend myself as you want, thus giving credit to a momentum you so obviously are used to thinking you can establish. But instead, rendering you and your poor str8 martyr complexes under the microscope is much more fun.
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Your opinions are so warped and distorted what you think of me doesn't even matter. Yet go ahead and humiliate yourself by showing what a spoiled child you are, an over-entitled fanboy who rages against society because it doesn't adher to his vision.
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Keeping in mind what you've said about ME's advantages 40 years roughly down the line, ME should've already been exericising more progress instead of playing towards old cop-outs.
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