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Arik7 wrote...
Yeah, what happened to Ashley's abstinence until marriage. Isn't that how all god-fearing Christians are? Tsk tsk tsk, is that how BioWare represents religious people? ;-)
bleetman wrote...
Yes, I got that, thanks. But since she's apparently not so rigid in her belief as to refuse to go to bed with man!Shep (in fact, she's the one who propositions him), why would it suddenly matter to her with a fem!shep?
NICKjnp wrote...
There is a way but Ashley refers to Femshep as a male. The same goes for modding it with a mShep and Kaidan...Kaidan refers to mShep as a female.
Of course, actual evidence that Ashley is NOT a very conservative Christian is completely unrelated to her possibly being bisexual. Right.Wereparrot wrote...
Arik7 wrote...
Yeah, what happened to Ashley's abstinence until marriage. Isn't that how all god-fearing Christians are? Tsk tsk tsk, is that how BioWare represents religious people? ;-)
Another controversial issue, but altogether unrelated to the one at hand.
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
Modifié par The Big Bad Wolf, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:10 .
Wereparrot wrote...
Arik7 wrote...
Yeah, what happened to Ashley's abstinence until marriage. Isn't that how all god-fearing Christians are? Tsk tsk tsk, is that how BioWare represents religious people? ;-)
Another controversial issue, but altogether unrelated to the one at hand.
NICKjnp wrote...
When it comes to other characters then ultimately...whatever. The thing about Ashley is that she is representing people of faith. Just like the gay/bisexual crowd want to be represented in-game...well so do we. Having her become a practicing bisexual is a misrepresentation of those she originally represented. And now I'm leaving because this conversation has turned into a fight rather than a discussion.
NICK you need to play the victim card better.NICKjnp wrote...
When it comes to other characters then ultimately...whatever. The thing about Ashley is that she is representing people of faith. Just like the gay/bisexual crowd want to be represented in-game...well so do we. Having her become a practicing bisexual is a misrepresentation of those she originally represented. And now I'm leaving because this conversation has turned into a fight rather than a discussion.
Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:15 .
Be nice to NICK!FoxHound109 wrote...
NICKjnp wrote...
When it comes to other characters then ultimately...whatever. The thing about Ashley is that she is representing people of faith. Just like the gay/bisexual crowd want to be represented in-game...well so do we. Having her become a practicing bisexual is a misrepresentation of those she originally represented. And now I'm leaving because this conversation has turned into a fight rather than a discussion.
Yes, because God knows that YOUR faith is the only that she is representing, not that of everyone else who considers themselves a person of faith or the many differing Christian denomiations that can't agree on even basic tenets.
Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:21 .
But Ashley slept with Shepard and they aren't married. Are you happy with the "representation" so far?NICKjnp wrote...
When it comes to other characters then ultimately...whatever. The thing about Ashley is that she is representing people of faith. Just like the gay/bisexual crowd want to be represented in-game...well so do we. Having her become a practicing bisexual is a misrepresentation of those she originally represented. And now I'm leaving because this conversation has turned into a fight rather than a discussion.
Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Be nice to NICK!
He's one of the only long-time trolls we've got left!
Sorry I'm voting for Bush/Saren.Arik7 wrote...
But Ashley slept with Shepard and they aren't married. Are you happy with the "representation" so far?NICKjnp wrote...
When it comes to other characters then ultimately...whatever. The thing about Ashley is that she is representing people of faith. Just like the gay/bisexual crowd want to be represented in-game...well so do we. Having her become a practicing bisexual is a misrepresentation of those she originally represented. And now I'm leaving because this conversation has turned into a fight rather than a discussion.
Vote Ashley out in 2012! God bless America! ;-)
Arik7 wrote...
Of course, actual evidence that Ashley is NOT a very conservative Christian is completely unrelated to her possibly being bisexual. Right.Wereparrot wrote...
Arik7 wrote...
Yeah, what happened to Ashley's abstinence until marriage. Isn't that how all god-fearing Christians are? Tsk tsk tsk, is that how BioWare represents religious people? ;-)
Another controversial issue, but altogether unrelated to the one at hand.
That is all true.FoxHound109 wrote...
Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Be nice to NICK!
He's one of the only long-time trolls we've got left!
It's such a ridiculous claim though. It would be like complaining that because Ashley doesn't go through with the Catholic Sacrements that she's missrepresenting "people of faith." This is the BIGGEST problem with people in BSN: they think they're the spokesperson for everyone else. "We the people of faith","we they gay community","we the core fans of your series","we the average straight male gamer", ad infinitum.
bleetman wrote...
Wereparrot wrote...
Arik7 wrote...
Yeah, what happened to Ashley's abstinence until marriage. Isn't that how all god-fearing Christians are? Tsk tsk tsk, is that how BioWare represents religious people? ;-)
Another controversial issue, but altogether unrelated to the one at hand.
If people are going to argue the "she can't because she's religious" line with such repetition, then no. It's not unrelated. It's a means of gauging just how austere she is about her beliefs, assuming that religious doctrine doesn't change in the next 170 years, which I personally find a little unlikely.
Wereparrot wrote...
It is unrelated in that sex before marriage does not in any way indicate anyone's orientation.
Guest_The Big Bad Wolf_*
RinjiRenee wrote...
If Ashley disapproves of homosexuality because of her supposed hardcore religious beliefs...
LOL. She might be dead on a few more of my playthroughs.
Simple fact of the matter is that there is nothing indicating as such, and so this entire argument is bullocks.
bleetman wrote...
Wereparrot wrote...
It is unrelated in that sex before marriage does not in any way indicate anyone's orientation.
How fortunate, then, that it's not being used as part of that particular argument, but for the thing I just explained in the post you quoted.
Hooray for comprehension!
Yes, but it's not very Christian of them, now is it? Going against the bible.... against teachings of the Catholic Church, etc...Wereparrot wrote...
bleetman wrote...
Wereparrot wrote...
It is unrelated in that sex before marriage does not in any way indicate anyone's orientation.
How fortunate, then, that it's not being used as part of that particular argument, but for the thing I just explained in the post you quoted.
Hooray for comprehension!
All I'm saying is that some Christians dissaprove of homosexuality but are quite willing to have hetero sex before marriage.
Modifié par Arik7, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:41 .
Wereparrot wrote...
All I'm saying is that some Christians dissaprove of homosexuality but are quite willing to have hetero sex before marriage.
Modifié par Kaiser_Wilhelm, 23 juillet 2011 - 06:44 .
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