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This is the funniest thing I will feel guilty for laughing at all weekend.
Cheers!
Ashley/Kaidan are Bi? Yes please!
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 06:54
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This is the funniest thing I will feel guilty for laughing at all weekend.
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:05
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Siansonea II wrote...
I don’t think Ashley/Kaidan’s sexuality is much of a stumbling block at all, personally. Well, Ashley does give me a bit of a moment of “hmmmm”, but Kaidan doesn’t. But that’s a pretty minor hiccup to me in the grand scheme of things. I am much more concerned about “Cerberus is the enemy now, mmmkay?” in ME3, because it sounds suspiciously like the “You’re working for Cerberus now, mmmkay?” BS from ME2. It sounds like an artificial gameplay decision that will be given a story handwave by the writers, because they need human enemies for Shepard to fight. I doubt very seriously that this is the natural evolution of the Cerberus storyline that ‘was planned from the beginning’. Cerberus is just a story element that BioWare shoves into the story for whatever is needed in the story at that moment. Need an enemy? Cerberus. Need a quest giver? Cerberus. Need an enemy again? Cerberus. That to me is infinitely more disconcerting that “oh, Ash and Kaidan are bi? I did not know that”.
Ah, and your problem with Cerberus closely mirrors my problem here. I don't see Ash and Kaidan being "expanded" to be bi is a "natural evolution" of the characters, but an artificial gameplay decision. It sounds like Bioware needed to expand the roster of LIs, and are going back to earlier characters rather than developing new ones. "Kaidan, you're now a potential m/m LI, mmmkay?"
And yes, I don't like being jerked around by Cerberus either. But at least as villains in ME3, maybe I can kill em all and be done with it
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:08
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iakus wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
I don’t think Ashley/Kaidan’s sexuality is much of a stumbling block at all, personally. Well, Ashley does give me a bit of a moment of “hmmmm”, but Kaidan doesn’t. But that’s a pretty minor hiccup to me in the grand scheme of things. I am much more concerned about “Cerberus is the enemy now, mmmkay?” in ME3, because it sounds suspiciously like the “You’re working for Cerberus now, mmmkay?” BS from ME2. It sounds like an artificial gameplay decision that will be given a story handwave by the writers, because they need human enemies for Shepard to fight. I doubt very seriously that this is the natural evolution of the Cerberus storyline that ‘was planned from the beginning’. Cerberus is just a story element that BioWare shoves into the story for whatever is needed in the story at that moment. Need an enemy? Cerberus. Need a quest giver? Cerberus. Need an enemy again? Cerberus. That to me is infinitely more disconcerting that “oh, Ash and Kaidan are bi? I did not know that”.
Ah, and your problem with Cerberus closely mirrors my problem here. I don't see Ash and Kaidan being "expanded" to be bi is a "natural evolution" of the characters, but an artificial gameplay decision. It sounds like Bioware needed to expand the roster of LIs, and are going back to earlier characters rather than developing new ones. "Kaidan, you're now a potential m/m LI, mmmkay?"
And yes, I don't like being jerked around by Cerberus either. But at least as villains in ME3, maybe I can kill em all and be done with it
I just hope if they both are made s/s LIs, Bioware does it in a way that fits their characters and plots, not just a random change. And yes, having to work for those bastards was the most annoying part of ME2.
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:17
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Why is it any time ReconTeam posts in a thread, the thread instantly derails into flame wars?
He makes me laugh lol.
He makes me laugh lol.
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:27
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FitScotGaymer wrote...
Why is it any time ReconTeam posts in a thread, the thread instantly derails into flame wars?
He makes me laugh lol.
ReconTeam is a troll.
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:31
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I love how he automatically assumed how just because he hasnt seen me post that I must be aprt of the "ss crowd" and stick to said "ss crowd".
Yeh not the case. I mostly lurk, and post in the DA forums.
Yeh not the case. I mostly lurk, and post in the DA forums.
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:32
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That's just what it's like with this topic. One spiteful comment and the whole thing snaps into an argument.FitScotGaymer wrote...
Why is it any time ReconTeam posts in a thread, the thread instantly derails into flame wars?
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:35
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Kaiser_Wilhelm wrote...
I just hope if they both are made s/s LIs, Bioware does it in a way that fits their characters and plots, not just a random change. And yes, having to work for those bastards was the most annoying part of ME2.
If it comes to that, I hope so too. But I don't really believe it. I had so many problems with the writing of ME2. Plus the fact that ME1 didn't really leave evidence of the fact so much as lack of evidence to the contrary, that I believe any s/s relationship between Shep and the VS will boil down to a heavy handed "Didn't you know?"
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:36
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iakus wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
I don’t think Ashley/Kaidan’s sexuality is much of a stumbling block at all, personally. Well, Ashley does give me a bit of a moment of “hmmmm”, but Kaidan doesn’t. But that’s a pretty minor hiccup to me in the grand scheme of things. I am much more concerned about “Cerberus is the enemy now, mmmkay?” in ME3, because it sounds suspiciously like the “You’re working for Cerberus now, mmmkay?” BS from ME2. It sounds like an artificial gameplay decision that will be given a story handwave by the writers, because they need human enemies for Shepard to fight. I doubt very seriously that this is the natural evolution of the Cerberus storyline that ‘was planned from the beginning’. Cerberus is just a story element that BioWare shoves into the story for whatever is needed in the story at that moment. Need an enemy? Cerberus. Need a quest giver? Cerberus. Need an enemy again? Cerberus. That to me is infinitely more disconcerting that “oh, Ash and Kaidan are bi? I did not know that”.
Ah, and your problem with Cerberus closely mirrors my problem here. I don't see Ash and Kaidan being "expanded" to be bi is a "natural evolution" of the characters, but an artificial gameplay decision. It sounds like Bioware needed to expand the roster of LIs, and are going back to earlier characters rather than developing new ones. "Kaidan, you're now a potential m/m LI, mmmkay?"
And yes, I don't like being jerked around by Cerberus either. But at least as villains in ME3, maybe I can kill em all and be done with it
It's still a matter of degree. The Cerberus stuff affected the entire game from start to finish. Every aspect of the main plot was affected by Cerberus. You couldn't get around it. But any romance subplot is a tiny aspect of the game, and an avoidable one, so naturally my issues with them are proportionally smaller than main plot concerns. For instance, I find the whole idea of romancing dextro aliens to be ridiculous. And the two dextro aliens chosen for the LIs were completely devoid of romantic overtones in the first game. So this was a gameplay choice that was given a story handwave in the second game because fans wanted it. Okay, doesn't make sense to me, but whatever. And while it isn't a 'retcon', it is a rather implausible idea in a lot of ways, certainly more so than the VS being bi. But the dextro alien romances don't bother me that much, because I can just ignore those subplots. But when a questionable story decision affects the entire game, it's a big deal to me, thus my extreme concern for how Cerberus is going to be implemented in the third game.
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:38
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Not in Kaidan's case at least. He won't do or say anything until Sheps announces "I'm gay! :D" to him. As for lack of evidence - Horizoniakus wrote...
If it comes to that, I hope so too. But I don't really believe it. I had so many problems with the writing of ME2. Plus the fact that ME1 didn't really leave evidence of the fact so much as lack of evidence to the contrary, that I believe any s/s relationship between Shep and the VS will boil down to a heavy handed "Didn't you know?"
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Not in Kaidan's case at least. He won't do or say anything until Sheps announces "I'm gay! :D" to him. As for lack of evidence - Horizon
I agree! :happy:
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Not in Kaidan's case at least. He won't do or say anything until Sheps announces "I'm gay! :D" to him. As for lack of evidence - Horizon
I don't think Horizon can count as (reliable) evidence, as that depends on a person's perspective of it.
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Sure. But no one would say that it doesn't make sense at all for Kaidan to be in love with ManShep after what he said on Horizon if that's what the writers decide(ed).The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I don't think Horizon can count as (reliable) evidence, as that depends on a person's perspective of it.
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IsaacShep wrote...
Not in Kaidan's case at least. He won't do or say anything until Sheps announces "I'm gay! :D" to him. As for lack of evidence - Horizoniakus wrote...
If it comes to that, I hope so too. But I don't really believe it. I had so many problems with the writing of ME2. Plus the fact that ME1 didn't really leave evidence of the fact so much as lack of evidence to the contrary, that I believe any s/s relationship between Shep and the VS will boil down to a heavy handed "Didn't you know?"
First part, imagine how surprised I was my first playthrough of ME2 to find Jack in my quarters:P
For the second part: Horizon, where the lines hardly differed between male and female Shepard, LI or not, and where both VS call Shep a traitor and stalk away in a huff, regardless of previous actions or relationships. Not a great example of Ash or Kaidan's personalities or development therof:sick:
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Sure. But no one would say that it doesn't make sense at all for Kaidan to be in love with ManShep after what he said on Horizon if that's what the writers decide(ed).The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
I don't think Horizon can count as (reliable) evidence, as that depends on a person's perspective of it.
That's true.
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Posté 24 juillet 2011 - 07:55
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No matter if you consider it to be written well, or not, it's part of the story and canon just as much as every other line in the game. And actually, if we assume Kaidan's in love with ManShep, then Horizon is actually a good example of his personality and exposes what ME established - that the always calm Kaidan snaps when he has romantic feelings for someone.iakus wrote...
First part, imagine how surprised I was my first playthrough of ME2 to find Jack in my quarters:P
For the second part: Horizon, where the lines hardly differed between male and female Shepard, LI or not, and where both VS call Shep a traitor and stalk away in a huff, regardless of previous actions or relationships. Not a great example of Ash or Kaidan's personalities or development therof:sick:
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iakus wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
Not in Kaidan's case at least. He won't do or say anything until Sheps announces "I'm gay! :D" to him. As for lack of evidence - Horizoniakus wrote...
If it comes to that, I hope so too. But I don't really believe it. I had so many problems with the writing of ME2. Plus the fact that ME1 didn't really leave evidence of the fact so much as lack of evidence to the contrary, that I believe any s/s relationship between Shep and the VS will boil down to a heavy handed "Didn't you know?"
First part, imagine how surprised I was my first playthrough of ME2 to find Jack in my quarters:P
For the second part: Horizon, where the lines hardly differed between male and female Shepard, LI or not, and where both VS call Shep a traitor and stalk away in a huff, regardless of previous actions or relationships. Not a great example of Ash or Kaidan's personalities or development therof:sick:
There are whole topics devoted to Horizon Fail, but I still think Horizon is an example of Shepard's failure more than Ashley's or Kaidan's. If you look at the situation from the VS' perspective, and look at Shepard as someone who they respected and admired rather than "you" or "the player character", then Shepard's presence on Horizon in the company of Cerberus is a betrayal. And it's probably technically treason in the eyes of the Alliance. So yeah, calling Shepard a traitor and storming off in a huff is a rather mild response to "Hero Of The Citadel Working With Admiral Kahoku's Killers".
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I ReconTeam the First officially claim this as the longest reply to something ever written on these forums. You should be in awe.
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Still can't deviate from your one-trick-pony show? Those tears of joy are for you! You'll get to play through ME3 just knowing that Americanized military M/M is hovering just one slip of the finger away. Plus F/F involving two Americanized female soldiers. ATM, I'm just more happy that you'll have to endure them. Whether or not they're tokenized is almost immaterial to me whenever you and I are having talks because I feel like I'm getting more satisfaction simply out of your biphobic dissatisfaction.
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Again you show nothing but outright disrespect for the men and women serving in America's armed forces, all you care about are your own selfish desires and false cause. But this is what I have come to expect from you. You're an arrogant, spoiled child, anybody who doesn't share your opinions is "biphobic", "heterocentric", or some other BS descriptive term used by people who expect legislated respect. You are the real one trick pony here I'm afraid.
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Did you borrow the tire-iron idea from Brokeback, or did you come up with something original on your own? I'm shaking! To me, you're as scary as any mod/dev who threatens me with the party-line double-talk about "no politics," just to cover up their own ME's cavalier toying with politics. So I'm shaking a lot! As much as when you brought up RL gay-bashing even from before! Funny thing about you trying that one. You claimed that queers and straights are treated equally, yet in our last few exchanges you ran towards examples of homophobia even in "[your] liberal state," which proves clearly otherwise. Your only consistency has been that you never stray from one-note hypocrisy.
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No, thought of it myself, but it's good to see it conjured up some more false bravado from yourself. What would this discussion be without your tales of devs threatening you while you drive them back with your epic rantings. Yep, your a big gawddamn hero around here. "Party-line double-talk?" Typical. The ME devs were in the right, the DA:O devs were in the right, you've always been in the wrong with your absurd sense of entitlement and persecution complex. Everything you see is some percieved insult against you or the gay community, so I rather doubt you understand what it means to be treated equally under the law. Hypocrisy you say? Why who else but a hypocrite to accuse me of such a thing?
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It's fun rubbing ME3's M/M in your face because you so need me to do it. This way you can tell yourself that you're some crusader for hetero rights by continually arguing with me, but I already know this is just your way of trying to live with yourself, given how you need someone to focus onto regarding your particular bitterness with M/M. I don't mind taking advantage of that. Honestly, I appreciate that you give me these opportunities so freely.
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Rubbing it in my face? So that's what you think you're doing now? I'm still not very impressed. But I do just adore your attempts to analyze my personality. Did you learn that in Psychology 101? Or did you just read a Wikipedia page and believe your an expert on the subject now? Either way, I'm amazed you haven't started spamming gay pictures or BS phrases about "respect the love" yet. But I suppose a great internet crusader like yourself thinks he is above that.
Yes, nonsense. Shall I bring out a dictionary? What your senses perceive are quite warped by this persecution complex,
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Your senses are long mired in this heterocentric complex I'm seeing, which explains why you reason out ways to try trivializing teh ghey. Except there are these dastardly combinations of events where gheyz intersect with the things you thought were inviolate or pure without us. Oh, right here's another incident of your self-contradictions. First you frothed about BioWare devs caving to queer presence, now you tried claiming "few people care that homosexuals exist." Tsk. Your newest one unsurprisingly does not measure up to real-life developments. All those homophobic ME devs doubtlessly hate this situation at least as much as you do, making it all the more pleasurable for me seeing them giving out what they' owe.
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"Heterocentric complex?" In all of my years I have never had anybody make such absurd claims about society. Do you honestly expect me to believe the words of somebody who is clearly a fanatic on this subject? The majority of the human race is straight, many cultures believe homosexuality to be wrong, so perhaps you need to toughen up and deal with that rather than pretending otherwise. You're damn right things are better without fanatics like yourself demanding people pay special attention to them, you're damn right I think homosexuality has no place in Mass Effect or any other number of games. And spoiled individuals like yourself only serve to cement my thoughts on the matter. So thank you for that. Also it seems you don't understand the concept of contradictions too well. "A few Bioware developers" do quality as "few people" in case you were wondering.
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BioWare's "big bad straight males" know that they owe "people like me," judging by how they've gone and "polluted" both their orignal IPs by increasing M/M. Their actions agree with me regardless of their feelings, or your feelings. In at least to the same degree which heteros are always coddled in these products, queers deserve no less treatment. DA2 was their best so far. ME3 is unlikely to match it, but it's just good to know M/M is on the record as being part of something you thought was only yours.
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And now your very high opinion of yourself shows it's ugly head again... Once again, They... Don't... Owe... You... Anything... Understand now? You can be as arrogant as you want to be but you don't owed or deserve any sort of recognition from Bioware. In my book you ought to be ignored as just another one of those fringe kooks making absurd requests. You can drool over DA2 as much as you like but that doesn't change the fact that the game was a huge step backwards, romances included. Now some fanatic like yourself probably thinks those were better, but the majority of players seem to disagree. And despite your opinion of yourself they are just as important as you.
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Requested? Dear, no. Lately all I ever do is condemn and lay it out. My emotionally-brutalized counterparts are the ones who make nice with useless requests, by which I mean their spending power represented by simple presence of quantity here and elsewhere is what actually did it. Queers, along with the supportive segment of hetero gamers. Money! So, nice? Tsk. This is you and me, so there's a 0% chance of you convincing me about the merits of nicenice pleaseplease appeals to those who abuse their advantages. Also, lest you can convince yourself to forget, BioWare had no choice. ME3 had to keep up with current events or risk solidifying their blatant hypocrisy at this point, so no, there was no "asking" of anything going on to make M/M happen. Certainly the people who affect change in establishments larger than BioWare do not ask, they pressure. ME has no choice but to finally keep up with queer visibility. Here's a word I know you'll appreciate: those imagined results stemming from nice, tame queers only exist to you.
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Codemn and lay it out? You think anybody cares about your little rants? "They're emotionally-brutalized because they're not a bunch of blowhards like me." As far as I can tell it's just you and me reading this crap and wasting our lives here. You however are under the impression that you are some great internet crusader who turned David Gaider from a normal fellow to some devotee of modern political correctness. How long and wonderous your list of internet accomplishments must be... The real reason for this? The ego of a handful of Bioware devs who are devoted to this PC garbage and just love being patted on the back by rags like the Escapists, "queer" gamers, and others who buy into this line of thinking.
ME3 has to keep up with current events? No, they could go back on claim to add your beloved "gaymances" easily enough. Hypocrisy? Some people would complain and shout, some would threaten to not buy the game, but in the end they will buy in anyway. It always works like that. Oh wait, you're not talking about Biowares "promise" your talking about some nonsense about "queer visibility". Now that's completely meaningless compared to everything else. Pressure? No, it's ego driving this. "Nice, tame queers?" Tell me, what do you think of yourself? Am I supposed to be intimidated by you or something? You're no different from the rest of them, you just happen to be a fanatic.
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Erm, DA2 was most certainly good enough for me. As in, it's the reason I'm able to write praise about something around here. Not perfect, but it showed stupendous progress. "Nothing is good enough," tsk.
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So "good enough for you" means "crap for everybody else." I see now. Yes, your thoughts on DA2 are just as invalid as the rest of your argument I'm afraid.
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I'mso grateful for your attempts to pare down my description about the tokenism attached to Zevran, but I'm afraid all you did was reaffirm your mistaken heterocentric assumption that you know what's good for queer visibility...despite your own admittance to the fact you know far less of it than I do. Obssessing over it, as you put it once, can do wonders for backing up your own rhetoric. Had you given that concept of research a try before you attempted various other failed gambits here, you could've helped yourself slightly.
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Queer visibility? I think this concept of "queer visibility" you push is absolute BS my friend. I know less on this matter because I studied real subjects, real history. Not "queer studies" or some of the crap colleges offer these days to employ some left-leaning sociology professors. Yet the fact that you know more about these lies you subscribe to is quite meaningless. Common sense and opinions based in reality are far more important. Rhetoric is quite meaningless when your talking with somebody with their own opinions and not easily convinced. Failed gambits? It must be quite an impressive mental image you have of this argument in your head.
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Also re-posting myself in case of confusion: The M/M factor is occluded by the fact that he's a tokenized cop-out who exhibited an overtly stronger predeliction for females, all factors to assuage newbies like you. He's rendered into the sharply numerical minority as a patronized-stereotype of bisexuals which the ignorant segment of heterosexuals find tolerable such as yourself, thus cheapening him for actual queer people.
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So you don't like that is he bisexual as opposed to just a homosexual? What a shame. Is this the part when I call you "biphobic"? Newbies? I've been playing RPGs far longer than you have, so don't presume to speak to me about such matters. Whine about Zevran as much as you want, but if you want you "queer visibility" you ought to deal with some "token" character who doesn't fit your specific tastes.
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Queers are entitled to all of it, and by that I mean to the last bit of degree of experience and content a straight gamer gets from ME. The all-bisexual quota is best for that...somebody(perhaps in this thread?) posted BioWare admitted there is economy to the method, since obviously DA2 pulled it off.
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No, you are entitled to nothing. But the fact is you can have every last bit of content a straight gamer gets from ME. There is no gaydar preventing you from playing the game if you are a homosexual. I have no doubt your beloved David Gaider champions the whole "everybody is bisexual" quota but I'm afraid that doesn't make that the best method. You see, quality must become before appeasement of individuals like yourself.
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I've mentioned not caring about making friends here...but I must've said so writings that you pretended to skip. Ah, no matter. So long as you still hypocritically find me magnetic...which doesn't speak well for your attempts to frame me as not mattering. But do get it down in writing; the more you repeat this claim to yourself, the better I'm sure you'll convince yourself: Ero so doesn't matter, which is why I have to keep telling myself and make sure to everybody knows just how much he doesn't matter!
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Good for you. I have no problems with having some enemies around here either. And I did skip your last major rant so I probably did miss that round of chest-pouding. A hypocrite accusing me of what he is guility of again? You're going in circles I'm afraid. I know your type, you produce a long-ass rant filled with false bravado and pseudo-intellectual BS, and then you expect me to cower in the corner and back off so you can pretend you had a victory. While people with more common sense than myself would have stopped trying to reason with a fanatic by now, I don't intend to grant you that or anything. Sooner or later reality will slap some sense back into you, but for now I'll just have to content myself with being an obstacle for you.
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Tsk, you would bawk at the idea of BioWare listening to me. Which is fortunate for you, because I also don't believe that they would. My ruler metaphor isn't about me caring if BioWare listens. I care about airing out the criticisms they've earned upon themselves. Given what I've noticed anyway about ME devs' patronizing silent treatment, I'm frankly not here to interact with them in any way. But...there, there. There, there. I can understand why someone with your illusions would assume that everyone else is trying to out-crusader you.
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You don't care? Sure... Everything you have done says otherwise but you like to keep up apperances as some gay tough guy, right? After all, we wouldn't want your internet reputation being hurt now would we? Oh no, can't have that from a self-centered internet crusader like yourself.
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Ah, the beauty of ME's Americanized queer soldiers will come from the fact that straights and queers will be forced to share them, especially the leading male and the leading female. Thus, no chance of segregated cop-outs in DAO-style.
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"Americanized queer soldiers?" The way you keep repeating this I'm starting to you think you have more problems than I thought. As far as I know Kaidan or Ashley have yet to be confirmed as gaymances but if they are, don't worry, people will be saying they are straight in their universes. And who are you to disagree? Segregated cop-outs? What a load of nonsense. But if Bioware must add gaymances I hope you are whining about the same thing with this James Vega.
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A key word in there is definitely "read," which was your failing to perform in all 3 instances. Otherwise you wouldn't have shot yourself in the foot, but alas, that's a you problem and not a me problem. It's quite unfortunate how your determination to blow for a lost cause is blinding you from correcting your own mistakes here. Not surprising, of course. When your gameplan doesn't work for you, you simply complain about unfairness instead of learning where you screwed yourself with your own assumptions. Of course, a step in that learning process involves acknowledging having been wrong...even I know you'd prefer to die first.
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I've been reading just fine, and explaining myself just fine, which is more than I can say for yourself. Now you can pretend I've shot myself in the foot in this "epic forum battle" but that doesn't do much good now does it? The fact is I haven't been wrong, nor have I been given reason to think otherwise. I can recognize my mistakes in life but my opposition to yourself isn't one of them you see.
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Looks like here's something else that's a you-problem; your contentment with being unable to keep up. Those two worse games were thus more suited to you; cop-outs that were stolid with exposition to reassure your breed of gamers about being born into purpose of existence as destined uber-heroes(allegory for str8 white male politics) rather than the reality of actually having to determine it. Alas, it's not for me to overvalue such customs you're mired in.
Come to think of it...now that they''ll likely become no more...where does that leave you?
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Yes those two better games were more suited for me and everybody else but DA2's handful of defenders. Enough whining about cop-outs, how about you add some substances to your argument. "Str8 white male politics"? Are you really so deluded that everything is some massive conspiracy against you and "teh gays"? To be honest I would gladly offend every one of your delicate "queer sensibilites" if it provides a better game for myself and normal people, including homosexuals who are glad with what they have been given rather than expecting to be pandered to.
Now that they'll likely become no more what? You're rants are losing their cohesion I'm afraid.
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Quite so, their being biphobic in the same vein as you are. Gore's ok, but eeeek, all-bis and nowhere to run! How good to see you're still keepin' it alive. Thus, I find it very agreeable to know that in ME3 I'm getting what I want in a way that deprives you without any apology.
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Pathetic. "They hated it because they were biphobic!" This is worse than any playing of the race card I've ever seen and you'll have to do better than that. No you won't get what you want, because you expect everybody to be a bisexual to suite your tastes and the Bioware devs already said that wasn't going to happen. But go ahead and move the goal posts now if it serves your shallow little cause.
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Yeah, those...darkspawn. Because I care so much about that...no. I appreciate how minimized the darkspawn were in DA2. I couldn't care less about str8 white male fantasies' requisite freak-show elements. Just another thing DA2 deprived you. Also the Annoyance Remover mods meant for boosting DAO's performance are testaments to that game's overall framerate disaster as a common issue, with or without DA2 running better to show it up.
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Darkspawn are "str8 white male fantasy requisite freak-show elements? My my, you are quite deluded indeed. I would like to see your opinions on Lord of the Rings one of these years. But you see the Darkspawn are just one example where the "revised art style" was lacking. My computer of moderate performance ran DA:O fine without any mods. I'm sure Bioware made some performance improvements with DA2, but your idea that it was a "framerate disaster" only exists because you are pushing your agenda here.
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"more interested in sleeping with other men than meaningful gameplay." And HOW. If I cared most about ultra-tight gameplay combat as my priority I'd play something that could actually pull it off, therefore not any BioWare product. Luckily for them, immersion within the squad and world is my style, and most certainly coupling with attractive men as a man myself at the top. But in regards to the disparity between DAO and DA2, I will definitely detect and critique the relative failings in the former. Even when it had no successor to directly measure up to, DAO was nothing but glacial combat and conservative animations. Tsk. I'd prefer to not be keenly aware of pen-and-paper going on under the hood so much that it demands constraint just for the sake of constraint.
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So basically you just confirmed you don't have any tastes in gameplay and just care about your shallow sexual fantises? Well then, we aren't ever going to agree here now are we?
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You mean Kirk was a cowboy who obliviously screwed his colleagues and teachers over, made messes for everyone else, and even cheated his way to graduation. Judging by that "reboot," he is still the worst person for that chair. But since his archetype is used to constantly create and affirm cavalier privilege in those who can resemble him, it's no surprise that all his wannabes prefer a "hero" label for him. I it when rare straight white males are turned off by Kirk, yet the ones who drone loudest everywhere are definitely the type to cheer him on.
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Yes Kirk was a cowboy. It's amusing the way you use that word with such disdain. But the new age beliefs you're trying to sell people always attack such archetype. You lothe the idea of manhood as John Wayne described it, you hate a culture that respects such thinking rather than the trash you're interested in. Kirk was proud and looked out for himself. Yet he stood by his friends, always got the mission done and played a vital role in an organization greater than himself. Yes, I can see why somebody like you would hate him. Cavalier privilege? The only reason you're allowed to criticize the majority as such as because you live in a society which allows those priviledges. So think about for awhile.
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Gratitude. Thanks but no, as usual I'm going to pass. That's a concept you and he both are addicted...the idea that BioWare is owed gratitude, or anything for that matter. Sad to break this to you again, but anytime a person's only concern or motivation is to be a hero, then it's just about him/her and not whatever it is the person's cheapening by making a point out of crusading for. You two indeed have so much in common there; you both criticize my radicalism. I, for one, am very proud of what I am.
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Welcome to real life. People work in their best interests. David Gaider wouldn't be doing this politically correct BS if it didn't feed his ego. Yet regardless of his reasons you ought to be grateful regardless. Still, I actually wish there were more people like you so he would realize this lack of gratitude and just ignore you bunch.
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Any chance you've heard of Sally Kern? You're probably a great fit for her team! She's got the gays-are-worse-than-terrorists platform, even if yours is focused on just me specifically.
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Never heard of her, but your level of fanaticism is only a few steps down from the PLO it seems. Yeah... I'm sure they'd respect your beliefs.
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Such a coincidence, I was thinking the same thing about you. And as to that, I'm pretty sure the influx of bisexuality in these games is a telling example.
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Well you'd be wrong in what your thinking, as usual.
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Hehe, revisionist is your thing, not mine. The idea of str8 America you envision was never pure as you needed it to be, not anywhere or any time. Witness the hundreds of drag kings who fought on both sides of the Civil War, and who continued living as such afterwards. Just another tidbit for you there. As for proving this or that, I'm always happy to remind you of how I deconstructed your half-thought-out ideas that went nowhere, the core gambits of which ended up serving my arguments instead of yours. Sociology, race, influence of queer gamers in addition to other topics I picked apart even more recently. I can't think of a time in which you established anything that was helpful to your wishful thinking. The "BS sociology" as you call it now was actually your tactic first, and I'm quite happy to never let slide the fact that you didn't know anything about it. Along those same lines, I like reminding you how its tenets of social construction ended up supportingme. Clearly it wasn't BS when you first thought to throw it out there, hoping I would know as little or less than you did. Bad luck for you.
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No I'm afraid, the art of revisionist history is all yours. Hundreds of drag kings? Well ignoring the fact that those women who pretended to be men in order to serve probably returned to normal lives, what is your point? Millions of men fought in the Civil War. Yet I can see you don't give a damn about your average soldier. Some drag queen is far more important to you than say a common Irishman who died on any one of those bloody battlefields. You haven't picked anything of mine apart, all you have offered me are BS theories and boasts. Now you're left making all of these false claims with nothing to actually contribute.
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"Rarely" mmm, nope, but feel free to try covering for your heroes' relations anyway. It's what you do! The shenanigans of every combination in the military are greater than those at priest-colleges. Regulations forbid them too, you know. Alas. The Notre Dame priest students in particular are inseparable, last I heard. But back to the military. I'm not sure whether military broken marriages and/or affairs represent a macrocosm or a microcosm for the U.S., being the divorce capitol of the world. I really don't know which atm, but I do know such relations are as notorious.
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Yes, rarely. Considering your complete lack of knowledge about the military I wouldn't trust a word you say, nor should anybody else. Also I'm sure your opinion on the priesthood is similarily tainted by these views you subscribe to. How is the # of divorces in the United States even relevant here? You make these outlandish claims and have nothing to back them up with other than the fact that many people get divorces? How is this supposed to be convincing?
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M/M encouraged, but of course. Certainly not spelled out in the limited way that you want to frame it. The rest amounts to more thanks to homoerotic hot-bunking and near-24/7 proximity that helps the queer males in the ranks more so than the segregated M/F potentials. Much more.
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At last, your pervision shines through. Homoerotic hot-bunking? Helps queer males in the ranks? This is your perversion and sick fantasies, not those of the United States military and those who serve in it. I know you don't have a sense of shame or decency, but your outright disrespect is nothing short of slander.
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It's ok though, you don't have to face it. But BioWare did.
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The same Bioware that happened to put several officers with the rank of Admiral on the Normandy? That got the salutes backwards and has no standardization among the armor System Alliance marines are using? It isn't a very accurate depiction of the military.
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Ah no, they're just token regulations. People find a way, and often. Military especially. As to your assertion about soldiers being reported for misrepresenting their uniforms to civilians, I suggest you "get together" with an actual soldier you idolize so much and ask about the condoms that are distributed to them as they travel outbound to places like Iraq. As in nowadays. My straight male GI classmate told us that the condoms were a customary distribution from male officers to male soldiers who were shipping out, to protect "our boys" when they felt like raping the local populations. The horror of that reality caused him to substitute a euphemism when he recounted it for us, but he did also clarify. So yeah, mmmm, military integrity. Convicted rapists and child molestors were able to openly enlist when openly queer people could not. Do try to reconsider your American military cheerleading. The blue wall of silence isn't just limited to po-lice, you know.
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You disgust me. Your lies have proven you lack any sort of honor and integrity. I know veterans from Vietnam, GW1, GW2, and Afghanistan. I've worked as a contractor. I've specifically studied US military history. And let me say that your views of the military are sheer BS. Raping the local population? I see you subscribe to typical far-left views of the military as well. I have little reason to doubt that you hate what they stand for, hate idols like Chesty Puller, and hate the fact that many Americans treat them with the respect they deserve.
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I'm still wondering about these specific regulations you no doubt want but fail to quote at me in regards to forbidance of S/S in the military. Hmmm? Are they real, or just something you dreamed up to suit yourself? Any and all such things would fall under the scope of DADT, and that was just killed. There aren't any "special regs" for da queerz. As I've said before, smoother sailing.
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Relationships between soldiers of different rank are prohibited if they:
(1) Compromise, or appear to compromise, the integrity of supervisory authority or the chain of command.
(2) Cause actual or perceived partiality or unfairness.
(3) Involve, or appear to involve, the improper use of rank or position for personal gain.
(4) Are, or are perceived to be, exploitative or coercive in nature.
(5) Create an actual or clearly predictable adverse impact on
discipline, authority, morale, or the ability of the command to
accomplish its mission.
Certain types of personal relationships between officers and enlisted
personnel are prohibited, even if they don't meet the above criteria.
Prohibited relationships include:
(2) Dating, shared living accommodations other than those directed by
operational requirements, and intimate or sexual relationships between
officers and enlisted personnel.
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You're always free to continue pretending that queer male soldiers can only ever be flamers bad at their jobs. Please, do so, neither they nor I require you to think or do anything in the least. The White House and the Pentagon together both certified DADT repeal just a couple days ago, to boot. As for the queer male soldiers who do happen to be flamers, my guess is their squadmates happen to like being around them.
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Actually you're the one suggesting that flaming homosexuals will be causing trouble and sleeping with other men in the military. You also fail to understand that the military is largely conservative and Christian, more so than general society.
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Correction- I don't care about the segments of the military who despise queer people. Such haters find themselves in the general minority of the institution these days. Among queer supporters in the ranks no doubt many of them aren't rid of homophobia, but they also don't believe in DADT trampling on people they know, which is a step for "my kind" and a backhand to "your kind."
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You've already proven that you lack a basic understanding of military discipline, have no respect for our soldiers, and hate the ideals many of them support. So of course you don't care about those who hold to more traditional values. You see them as below you. The fact is that most people don't care if a person admits they're gay. Yet you think they would tolerate the behavior of flaming homosexuals or people like you? No, that is not the case.
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Oh, I think not in the case of shock troops. No doubt the majority of them hold their selves above the rest of humanity in general, and in particular queers. That would mean their ranks present far fewer entry points to queers who do hack it, but even so the shock troops' opinions have also moved towards favoring inclusion just as the rest of the military has. Their progress is much slower, but fortunately for everyone, they ultimately answer to civilians.
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More disrespect as usual. It's a shame you can't spend a week on an Afghanistan foward outpost. Maybe then you would change your view for these shock troops that you hate. "Fortunately for everyone they answer to civilians?" Yeah, because they are doing such a great job running our country trillions into debt to the PRC. Frankly, you ought to pray some of the leaders who emerged in these conflicts enter the political sphere when they come back home.
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As to your claim about ancient militaries' customs somehow being not applicable today, looks like you want to assume that I require constant M/M sexxxing in the ranks? Ero, he's so sex-crazed. There is actually a difference between commanding orgies as opposed to simply allowing for queer soldiers to not hide themselves. That latter part may or may not simply mean having partners who are outside the military, in addition to speaking frankly about sex just as straight soldiers do, but still too the possibility of relations/relationships with other soldiers. Just like straights, though you're always free to continue denying the commonality of both. Greece was bigger on outright [i]pushing for lovers to fight alongside each other, and that worked for them. Only in that sense is it less workable for us because we don't let any couples near those situations, but the fact that Greece often had queer males fighting and winning disproves your ideas about non-straight guys being incapable.
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Ancient military customs are not applicable today, nor more than the ability to form a phalanx is against enemies with automatic weaponry. From what I've seen so far, that doesn't seem like an unusual perception of you. Clearly you're beyond a homosexual soldier admitting it and expect personnel to be dating and having intimate relations. This is unacceptable for any number of reasons, most of which an actual officer could explain.
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European countries care less about shameful bullying wars that this country feeds from. Why would they care bout fielding potent invasion armies?
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Guess what, I worked for the "evil" defense industry, I imagine that really offends your delicate sensabilites. Shameful bullying wars? Typical self-righteous crap from you. These European countries have armies barely capable of holding off a potent aggressor, let alone contributing to international operations which they help set in motion through the United Nations.
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Once I realized you having nothing to offer but bull**** it has been quite easy on this side of the argument too. But be aware I don't intend on addressing all of your claims next time. These walls of text are getting way too long thanks to you.
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Still can't deviate from your one-trick-pony show? Those tears of joy are for you! You'll get to play through ME3 just knowing that Americanized military M/M is hovering just one slip of the finger away. Plus F/F involving two Americanized female soldiers. ATM, I'm just more happy that you'll have to endure them. Whether or not they're tokenized is almost immaterial to me whenever you and I are having talks because I feel like I'm getting more satisfaction simply out of your biphobic dissatisfaction.
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Again you show nothing but outright disrespect for the men and women serving in America's armed forces, all you care about are your own selfish desires and false cause. But this is what I have come to expect from you. You're an arrogant, spoiled child, anybody who doesn't share your opinions is "biphobic", "heterocentric", or some other BS descriptive term used by people who expect legislated respect. You are the real one trick pony here I'm afraid.
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Did you borrow the tire-iron idea from Brokeback, or did you come up with something original on your own? I'm shaking! To me, you're as scary as any mod/dev who threatens me with the party-line double-talk about "no politics," just to cover up their own ME's cavalier toying with politics. So I'm shaking a lot! As much as when you brought up RL gay-bashing even from before! Funny thing about you trying that one. You claimed that queers and straights are treated equally, yet in our last few exchanges you ran towards examples of homophobia even in "[your] liberal state," which proves clearly otherwise. Your only consistency has been that you never stray from one-note hypocrisy.
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No, thought of it myself, but it's good to see it conjured up some more false bravado from yourself. What would this discussion be without your tales of devs threatening you while you drive them back with your epic rantings. Yep, your a big gawddamn hero around here. "Party-line double-talk?" Typical. The ME devs were in the right, the DA:O devs were in the right, you've always been in the wrong with your absurd sense of entitlement and persecution complex. Everything you see is some percieved insult against you or the gay community, so I rather doubt you understand what it means to be treated equally under the law. Hypocrisy you say? Why who else but a hypocrite to accuse me of such a thing?
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It's fun rubbing ME3's M/M in your face because you so need me to do it. This way you can tell yourself that you're some crusader for hetero rights by continually arguing with me, but I already know this is just your way of trying to live with yourself, given how you need someone to focus onto regarding your particular bitterness with M/M. I don't mind taking advantage of that. Honestly, I appreciate that you give me these opportunities so freely.
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Rubbing it in my face? So that's what you think you're doing now? I'm still not very impressed. But I do just adore your attempts to analyze my personality. Did you learn that in Psychology 101? Or did you just read a Wikipedia page and believe your an expert on the subject now? Either way, I'm amazed you haven't started spamming gay pictures or BS phrases about "respect the love" yet. But I suppose a great internet crusader like yourself thinks he is above that.
Yes, nonsense. Shall I bring out a dictionary? What your senses perceive are quite warped by this persecution complex,
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Your senses are long mired in this heterocentric complex I'm seeing, which explains why you reason out ways to try trivializing teh ghey. Except there are these dastardly combinations of events where gheyz intersect with the things you thought were inviolate or pure without us. Oh, right here's another incident of your self-contradictions. First you frothed about BioWare devs caving to queer presence, now you tried claiming "few people care that homosexuals exist." Tsk. Your newest one unsurprisingly does not measure up to real-life developments. All those homophobic ME devs doubtlessly hate this situation at least as much as you do, making it all the more pleasurable for me seeing them giving out what they' owe.
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"Heterocentric complex?" In all of my years I have never had anybody make such absurd claims about society. Do you honestly expect me to believe the words of somebody who is clearly a fanatic on this subject? The majority of the human race is straight, many cultures believe homosexuality to be wrong, so perhaps you need to toughen up and deal with that rather than pretending otherwise. You're damn right things are better without fanatics like yourself demanding people pay special attention to them, you're damn right I think homosexuality has no place in Mass Effect or any other number of games. And spoiled individuals like yourself only serve to cement my thoughts on the matter. So thank you for that. Also it seems you don't understand the concept of contradictions too well. "A few Bioware developers" do quality as "few people" in case you were wondering.
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BioWare's "big bad straight males" know that they owe "people like me," judging by how they've gone and "polluted" both their orignal IPs by increasing M/M. Their actions agree with me regardless of their feelings, or your feelings. In at least to the same degree which heteros are always coddled in these products, queers deserve no less treatment. DA2 was their best so far. ME3 is unlikely to match it, but it's just good to know M/M is on the record as being part of something you thought was only yours.
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And now your very high opinion of yourself shows it's ugly head again... Once again, They... Don't... Owe... You... Anything... Understand now? You can be as arrogant as you want to be but you don't owed or deserve any sort of recognition from Bioware. In my book you ought to be ignored as just another one of those fringe kooks making absurd requests. You can drool over DA2 as much as you like but that doesn't change the fact that the game was a huge step backwards, romances included. Now some fanatic like yourself probably thinks those were better, but the majority of players seem to disagree. And despite your opinion of yourself they are just as important as you.
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Requested? Dear, no. Lately all I ever do is condemn and lay it out. My emotionally-brutalized counterparts are the ones who make nice with useless requests, by which I mean their spending power represented by simple presence of quantity here and elsewhere is what actually did it. Queers, along with the supportive segment of hetero gamers. Money! So, nice? Tsk. This is you and me, so there's a 0% chance of you convincing me about the merits of nicenice pleaseplease appeals to those who abuse their advantages. Also, lest you can convince yourself to forget, BioWare had no choice. ME3 had to keep up with current events or risk solidifying their blatant hypocrisy at this point, so no, there was no "asking" of anything going on to make M/M happen. Certainly the people who affect change in establishments larger than BioWare do not ask, they pressure. ME has no choice but to finally keep up with queer visibility. Here's a word I know you'll appreciate: those imagined results stemming from nice, tame queers only exist to you.
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Codemn and lay it out? You think anybody cares about your little rants? "They're emotionally-brutalized because they're not a bunch of blowhards like me." As far as I can tell it's just you and me reading this crap and wasting our lives here. You however are under the impression that you are some great internet crusader who turned David Gaider from a normal fellow to some devotee of modern political correctness. How long and wonderous your list of internet accomplishments must be... The real reason for this? The ego of a handful of Bioware devs who are devoted to this PC garbage and just love being patted on the back by rags like the Escapists, "queer" gamers, and others who buy into this line of thinking.
ME3 has to keep up with current events? No, they could go back on claim to add your beloved "gaymances" easily enough. Hypocrisy? Some people would complain and shout, some would threaten to not buy the game, but in the end they will buy in anyway. It always works like that. Oh wait, you're not talking about Biowares "promise" your talking about some nonsense about "queer visibility". Now that's completely meaningless compared to everything else. Pressure? No, it's ego driving this. "Nice, tame queers?" Tell me, what do you think of yourself? Am I supposed to be intimidated by you or something? You're no different from the rest of them, you just happen to be a fanatic.
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Erm, DA2 was most certainly good enough for me. As in, it's the reason I'm able to write praise about something around here. Not perfect, but it showed stupendous progress. "Nothing is good enough," tsk.
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So "good enough for you" means "crap for everybody else." I see now. Yes, your thoughts on DA2 are just as invalid as the rest of your argument I'm afraid.
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I'mso grateful for your attempts to pare down my description about the tokenism attached to Zevran, but I'm afraid all you did was reaffirm your mistaken heterocentric assumption that you know what's good for queer visibility...despite your own admittance to the fact you know far less of it than I do. Obssessing over it, as you put it once, can do wonders for backing up your own rhetoric. Had you given that concept of research a try before you attempted various other failed gambits here, you could've helped yourself slightly.
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Queer visibility? I think this concept of "queer visibility" you push is absolute BS my friend. I know less on this matter because I studied real subjects, real history. Not "queer studies" or some of the crap colleges offer these days to employ some left-leaning sociology professors. Yet the fact that you know more about these lies you subscribe to is quite meaningless. Common sense and opinions based in reality are far more important. Rhetoric is quite meaningless when your talking with somebody with their own opinions and not easily convinced. Failed gambits? It must be quite an impressive mental image you have of this argument in your head.
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Also re-posting myself in case of confusion: The M/M factor is occluded by the fact that he's a tokenized cop-out who exhibited an overtly stronger predeliction for females, all factors to assuage newbies like you. He's rendered into the sharply numerical minority as a patronized-stereotype of bisexuals which the ignorant segment of heterosexuals find tolerable such as yourself, thus cheapening him for actual queer people.
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So you don't like that is he bisexual as opposed to just a homosexual? What a shame. Is this the part when I call you "biphobic"? Newbies? I've been playing RPGs far longer than you have, so don't presume to speak to me about such matters. Whine about Zevran as much as you want, but if you want you "queer visibility" you ought to deal with some "token" character who doesn't fit your specific tastes.
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Queers are entitled to all of it, and by that I mean to the last bit of degree of experience and content a straight gamer gets from ME. The all-bisexual quota is best for that...somebody(perhaps in this thread?) posted BioWare admitted there is economy to the method, since obviously DA2 pulled it off.
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No, you are entitled to nothing. But the fact is you can have every last bit of content a straight gamer gets from ME. There is no gaydar preventing you from playing the game if you are a homosexual. I have no doubt your beloved David Gaider champions the whole "everybody is bisexual" quota but I'm afraid that doesn't make that the best method. You see, quality must become before appeasement of individuals like yourself.
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I've mentioned not caring about making friends here...but I must've said so writings that you pretended to skip. Ah, no matter. So long as you still hypocritically find me magnetic...which doesn't speak well for your attempts to frame me as not mattering. But do get it down in writing; the more you repeat this claim to yourself, the better I'm sure you'll convince yourself: Ero so doesn't matter, which is why I have to keep telling myself and make sure to everybody knows just how much he doesn't matter!
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Good for you. I have no problems with having some enemies around here either. And I did skip your last major rant so I probably did miss that round of chest-pouding. A hypocrite accusing me of what he is guility of again? You're going in circles I'm afraid. I know your type, you produce a long-ass rant filled with false bravado and pseudo-intellectual BS, and then you expect me to cower in the corner and back off so you can pretend you had a victory. While people with more common sense than myself would have stopped trying to reason with a fanatic by now, I don't intend to grant you that or anything. Sooner or later reality will slap some sense back into you, but for now I'll just have to content myself with being an obstacle for you.
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Tsk, you would bawk at the idea of BioWare listening to me. Which is fortunate for you, because I also don't believe that they would. My ruler metaphor isn't about me caring if BioWare listens. I care about airing out the criticisms they've earned upon themselves. Given what I've noticed anyway about ME devs' patronizing silent treatment, I'm frankly not here to interact with them in any way. But...there, there. There, there. I can understand why someone with your illusions would assume that everyone else is trying to out-crusader you.
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You don't care? Sure... Everything you have done says otherwise but you like to keep up apperances as some gay tough guy, right? After all, we wouldn't want your internet reputation being hurt now would we? Oh no, can't have that from a self-centered internet crusader like yourself.
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Ah, the beauty of ME's Americanized queer soldiers will come from the fact that straights and queers will be forced to share them, especially the leading male and the leading female. Thus, no chance of segregated cop-outs in DAO-style.
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"Americanized queer soldiers?" The way you keep repeating this I'm starting to you think you have more problems than I thought. As far as I know Kaidan or Ashley have yet to be confirmed as gaymances but if they are, don't worry, people will be saying they are straight in their universes. And who are you to disagree? Segregated cop-outs? What a load of nonsense. But if Bioware must add gaymances I hope you are whining about the same thing with this James Vega.
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A key word in there is definitely "read," which was your failing to perform in all 3 instances. Otherwise you wouldn't have shot yourself in the foot, but alas, that's a you problem and not a me problem. It's quite unfortunate how your determination to blow for a lost cause is blinding you from correcting your own mistakes here. Not surprising, of course. When your gameplan doesn't work for you, you simply complain about unfairness instead of learning where you screwed yourself with your own assumptions. Of course, a step in that learning process involves acknowledging having been wrong...even I know you'd prefer to die first.
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I've been reading just fine, and explaining myself just fine, which is more than I can say for yourself. Now you can pretend I've shot myself in the foot in this "epic forum battle" but that doesn't do much good now does it? The fact is I haven't been wrong, nor have I been given reason to think otherwise. I can recognize my mistakes in life but my opposition to yourself isn't one of them you see.
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Looks like here's something else that's a you-problem; your contentment with being unable to keep up. Those two worse games were thus more suited to you; cop-outs that were stolid with exposition to reassure your breed of gamers about being born into purpose of existence as destined uber-heroes(allegory for str8 white male politics) rather than the reality of actually having to determine it. Alas, it's not for me to overvalue such customs you're mired in.
Come to think of it...now that they''ll likely become no more...where does that leave you?
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Yes those two better games were more suited for me and everybody else but DA2's handful of defenders. Enough whining about cop-outs, how about you add some substances to your argument. "Str8 white male politics"? Are you really so deluded that everything is some massive conspiracy against you and "teh gays"? To be honest I would gladly offend every one of your delicate "queer sensibilites" if it provides a better game for myself and normal people, including homosexuals who are glad with what they have been given rather than expecting to be pandered to.
Now that they'll likely become no more what? You're rants are losing their cohesion I'm afraid.
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Quite so, their being biphobic in the same vein as you are. Gore's ok, but eeeek, all-bis and nowhere to run! How good to see you're still keepin' it alive. Thus, I find it very agreeable to know that in ME3 I'm getting what I want in a way that deprives you without any apology.
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Pathetic. "They hated it because they were biphobic!" This is worse than any playing of the race card I've ever seen and you'll have to do better than that. No you won't get what you want, because you expect everybody to be a bisexual to suite your tastes and the Bioware devs already said that wasn't going to happen. But go ahead and move the goal posts now if it serves your shallow little cause.
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Yeah, those...darkspawn. Because I care so much about that...no. I appreciate how minimized the darkspawn were in DA2. I couldn't care less about str8 white male fantasies' requisite freak-show elements. Just another thing DA2 deprived you. Also the Annoyance Remover mods meant for boosting DAO's performance are testaments to that game's overall framerate disaster as a common issue, with or without DA2 running better to show it up.[/quote]
Darkspawn are "str8 white male fantasy requisite freak-show elements? My my, you are quite deluded indeed. I would like to see your opinions on Lord of the Rings one of these years. But you see the Darkspawn are just one example where the "revised art style" was lacking. My computer of moderate performance ran DA:O fine without any mods. I'm sure Bioware made some performance improvements with DA2, but your idea that it was a "framerate disaster" only exists because you are pushing your agenda here.
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"more interested in sleeping with other men than meaningful gameplay." And HOW. If I cared most about ultra-tight gameplay combat as my priority I'd play something that could actually pull it off, therefore not any BioWare product. Luckily for them, immersion within the squad and world is my style, and most certainly coupling with attractive men as a man myself at the top. But in regards to the disparity between DAO and DA2, I will definitely detect and critique the relative failings in the former. Even when it had no successor to directly measure up to, DAO was nothing but glacial combat and conservative animations. Tsk. I'd prefer to not be keenly aware of pen-and-paper going on under the hood so much that it demands constraint just for the sake of constraint.
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So basically you just confirmed you don't have any tastes in gameplay and just care about your shallow sexual fantises? Well then, we aren't ever going to agree here now are we?
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You mean Kirk was a cowboy who obliviously screwed his colleagues and teachers over, made messes for everyone else, and even cheated his way to graduation. Judging by that "reboot," he is still the worst person for that chair. But since his archetype is used to constantly create and affirm cavalier privilege in those who can resemble him, it's no surprise that all his wannabes prefer a "hero" label for him. I it when rare straight white males are turned off by Kirk, yet the ones who drone loudest everywhere are definitely the type to cheer him on.
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Yes Kirk was a cowboy. It's amusing the way you use that word with such disdain. But the new age beliefs you're trying to sell people always attack such archetype. You lothe the idea of manhood as John Wayne described it, you hate a culture that respects such thinking rather than the trash you're interested in. Kirk was proud and looked out for himself. Yet he stood by his friends, always got the mission done and played a vital role in an organization greater than himself. Yes, I can see why somebody like you would hate him. Cavalier privilege? The only reason you're allowed to criticize the majority as such as because you live in a society which allows those priviledges. So think about for awhile.
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Gratitude. Thanks but no, as usual I'm going to pass. That's a concept you and he both are addicted...the idea that BioWare is owed gratitude, or anything for that matter. Sad to break this to you again, but anytime a person's only concern or motivation is to be a hero, then it's just about him/her and not whatever it is the person's cheapening by making a point out of crusading for. You two indeed have so much in common there; you both criticize my radicalism. I, for one, am very proud of what I am.[/quote]
Welcome to real life. People work in their best interests. David Gaider wouldn't be doing this politically correct BS if it didn't feed his ego. Yet regardless of his reasons you ought to be grateful regardless. Still, I actually wish there were more people like you so he would realize this lack of gratitude and just ignore you bunch.
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Any chance you've heard of Sally Kern? You're probably a great fit for her team! She's got the gays-are-worse-than-terrorists platform, even if yours is focused on just me specifically.
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Never heard of her, but your level of fanaticism is only a few steps down from the PLO it seems. Yeah... I'm sure they'd respect your beliefs.
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Such a coincidence, I was thinking the same thing about you. And as to that, I'm pretty sure the influx of bisexuality in these games is a telling example.
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Well you'd be wrong in what your thinking, as usual.
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Hehe, revisionist is your thing, not mine. The idea of str8 America you envision was never pure as you needed it to be, not anywhere or any time. Witness the hundreds of drag kings who fought on both sides of the Civil War, and who continued living as such afterwards. Just another tidbit for you there. As for proving this or that, I'm always happy to remind you of how I deconstructed your half-thought-out ideas that went nowhere, the core gambits of which ended up serving my arguments instead of yours. Sociology, race, influence of queer gamers in addition to other topics I picked apart even more recently. I can't think of a time in which you established anything that was helpful to your wishful thinking. The "BS sociology" as you call it now was actually your tactic first, and I'm quite happy to never let slide the fact that you didn't know anything about it. Along those same lines, I like reminding you how its tenets of social construction ended up supportingme. Clearly it wasn't BS when you first thought to throw it out there, hoping I would know as little or less than you did. Bad luck for you.
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No I'm afraid, the art of revisionist history is all yours. Hundreds of drag kings? Well ignoring the fact that those women who pretended to be men in order to serve probably returned to normal lives, what is your point? Millions of men fought in the Civil War. Yet I can see you don't give a damn about your average soldier. Some drag queen is far more important to you than say a common Irishman who died on any one of those bloody battlefields. You haven't picked anything of mine apart, all you have offered me are BS theories and boasts. Now you're left making all of these false claims with nothing to actually contribute.
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"Rarely" mmm, nope, but feel free to try covering for your heroes' relations anyway. It's what you do! The shenanigans of every combination in the military are greater than those at priest-colleges. Regulations forbid them too, you know. Alas. The Notre Dame priest students in particular are inseparable, last I heard. But back to the military. I'm not sure whether military broken marriages and/or affairs represent a macrocosm or a microcosm for the U.S., being the divorce capitol of the world. I really don't know which atm, but I do know such relations are as notorious.
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Yes, rarely. Considering your complete lack of knowledge about the military I wouldn't trust a word you say, nor should anybody else. Also I'm sure your opinion on the priesthood is similarily tainted by these views you subscribe to. How is the # of divorces in the United States even relevant here? You make these outlandish claims and have nothing to back them up with other than the fact that many people get divorces? How is this supposed to be convincing?
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M/M encouraged, but of course. Certainly not spelled out in the limited way that you want to frame it. The rest amounts to more thanks to homoerotic hot-bunking and near-24/7 proximity that helps the queer males in the ranks more so than the segregated M/F potentials. Much more.
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At last, your pervision shines through. Homoerotic hot-bunking? Helps queer males in the ranks? This is your perversion and sick fantasies, not those of the United States military and those who serve in it. I know you don't have a sense of shame or decency, but your outright disrespect is nothing short of slander.
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It's ok though, you don't have to face it. But BioWare did.
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The same Bioware that happened to put several officers with the rank of Admiral on the Normandy? That got the salutes backwards and has no standardization among the armor System Alliance marines are using? It isn't a very accurate depiction of the military.
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Ah no, they're just token regulations. People find a way, and often. Military especially. As to your assertion about soldiers being reported for misrepresenting their uniforms to civilians, I suggest you "get together" with an actual soldier you idolize so much and ask about the condoms that are distributed to them as they travel outbound to places like Iraq. As in nowadays. My straight male GI classmate told us that the condoms were a customary distribution from male officers to male soldiers who were shipping out, to protect "our boys" when they felt like raping the local populations. The horror of that reality caused him to substitute a euphemism when he recounted it for us, but he did also clarify. So yeah, mmmm, military integrity. Convicted rapists and child molestors were able to openly enlist when openly queer people could not. Do try to reconsider your American military cheerleading. The blue wall of silence isn't just limited to po-lice, you know.
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You disgust me. Your lies have proven you lack any sort of honor and integrity. I know veterans from Vietnam, GW1, GW2, and Afghanistan. I've worked as a contractor. I've specifically studied US military history. And let me say that your views of the military are sheer BS. Raping the local population? I see you subscribe to typical far-left views of the military as well. I have little reason to doubt that you hate what they stand for, hate idols like Chesty Puller, and hate the fact that many Americans treat them with the respect they deserve.
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I'm still wondering about these specific regulations you no doubt want but fail to quote at me in regards to forbidance of S/S in the military. Hmmm? Are they real, or just something you dreamed up to suit yourself? Any and all such things would fall under the scope of DADT, and that was just killed. There aren't any "special regs" for da queerz. As I've said before, smoother sailing.
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Relationships between soldiers of different rank are prohibited if they:
(1) Compromise, or appear to compromise, the integrity of supervisory authority or the chain of command.
(2) Cause actual or perceived partiality or unfairness.
(3) Involve, or appear to involve, the improper use of rank or position for personal gain.
(4) Are, or are perceived to be, exploitative or coercive in nature.
(5) Create an actual or clearly predictable adverse impact on
discipline, authority, morale, or the ability of the command to
accomplish its mission.
Certain types of personal relationships between officers and enlisted
personnel are prohibited, even if they don't meet the above criteria.
Prohibited relationships include:
(2) Dating, shared living accommodations other than those directed by
operational requirements, and intimate or sexual relationships between
officers and enlisted personnel.
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You're always free to continue pretending that queer male soldiers can only ever be flamers bad at their jobs. Please, do so, neither they nor I require you to think or do anything in the least. The White House and the Pentagon together both certified DADT repeal just a couple days ago, to boot. As for the queer male soldiers who do happen to be flamers, my guess is their squadmates happen to like being around them.
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Actually you're the one suggesting that flaming homosexuals will be causing trouble and sleeping with other men in the military. You also fail to understand that the military is largely conservative and Christian, more so than general society.
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Correction- I don't care about the segments of the military who despise queer people. Such haters find themselves in the general minority of the institution these days. Among queer supporters in the ranks no doubt many of them aren't rid of homophobia, but they also don't believe in DADT trampling on people they know, which is a step for "my kind" and a backhand to "your kind."
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You've already proven that you lack a basic understanding of military discipline, have no respect for our soldiers, and hate the ideals many of them support. So of course you don't care about those who hold to more traditional values. You see them as below you. The fact is that most people don't care if a person admits they're gay. Yet you think they would tolerate the behavior of flaming homosexuals or people like you? No, that is not the case.
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Oh, I think not in the case of shock troops. No doubt the majority of them hold their selves above the rest of humanity in general, and in particular queers. That would mean their ranks present far fewer entry points to queers who do hack it, but even so the shock troops' opinions have also moved towards favoring inclusion just as the rest of the military has. Their progress is much slower, but fortunately for everyone, they ultimately answer to civilians.
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More disrespect as usual. It's a shame you can't spend a week on an Afghanistan foward outpost. Maybe then you would change your view for these shock troops that you hate. "Fortunately for everyone they answer to civilians?" Yeah, because they are doing such a great job running our country trillions into debt to the PRC. Frankly, you ought to pray some of the leaders who emerged in these conflicts enter the political sphere when they come back home.
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As to your claim about ancient militaries' customs somehow being not applicable today, looks like you want to assume that I require constant M/M sexxxing in the ranks? Ero, he's so sex-crazed. There is actually a difference between commanding orgies as opposed to simply allowing for queer soldiers to not hide themselves. That latter part may or may not simply mean having partners who are outside the military, in addition to speaking frankly about sex just as straight soldiers do, but still too the possibility of relations/relationships with other soldiers. Just like straights, though you're always free to continue denying the commonality of both. Greece was bigger on outright [i]pushing for lovers to fight alongside each other, and that worked for them. Only in that sense is it less workable for us because we don't let any couples near those situations, but the fact that Greece often had queer males fighting and winning disproves your ideas about non-straight guys being incapable.
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Ancient military customs are not applicable today, nor more than the ability to form a phalanx is against enemies with automatic weaponry. From what I've seen so far, that doesn't seem like an unusual perception of you. Clearly you're beyond a homosexual soldier admitting it and expect personnel to be dating and having intimate relations. This is unacceptable for any number of reasons, most of which an actual officer could explain.
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European countries care less about shameful bullying wars that this country feeds from. Why would they care bout fielding potent invasion armies?
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Guess what, I worked for the "evil" defense industry, I imagine that really offends your delicate sensabilites. Shameful bullying wars? Typical self-righteous crap from you. These European countries have armies barely capable of holding off a potent aggressor, let alone contributing to international operations which they help set in motion through the United Nations.
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Hehe, you're getting so easy for me now because you've been sticking to such a formulaic mold.[/quote]
Once I realized you having nothing to offer but bull**** it has been quite easy on this side of the argument too. But be aware I don't intend on addressing all of your claims next time. These walls of text are getting way too long thanks to you.
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^ wow you're positively frothing.. I think thats your longest harangue yet, also
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"Too long, didn't read" comes to mind.
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ReconTeam's reaction to gay romance in ME3:
Modifié par Arik7, 24 juillet 2011 - 10:22 .
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So it turned into a "who's got the longer one" contest hmmm...?
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I love it how they don't realise how similar they are.
