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[ObserverStatus]

mmm, nah, my femshep character doesn't have a thing for Krogan murderers. thanks anyways.

[Ryzaki]

NICKjnp wrote...
Hebrews 9:15

Point. Thanks for pointing that out to me

And so sex out of marriage is okay afterwards then? And she can speak in church? Oh and  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection? (and the last 2 I'm sure are in the NT). 

(Women not to wear braided hair, gold, pearls, or costly array.
Women must learn in silence. Women are not to teach and not have
authority over men. Women must be silent. Adam was created first,
then Eve. A woman was deceived, but Adam was not deceived)

^Thatapplies to Ash? Since you know. Timothy is the NT as I recall. 

That still applies to this so religious ash that she dares not be gay? 

I guess Ash's religion stops her from believing in divorce as well? 

And...this...

1. Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2 While they behold your chaste conversation [coupled] with fear.
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

That's all Peter . 

I'm really supposed to believe Ash takes this seriously? Ash of all people? 

..And according to Corinthans men can't have long hair...yeah that's why I'm not religious. Too many rules that make no sense. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:00 .

[Abispa]

This thread is SO going to be shut down and hard, and I think that's a bad thing. I think people should be allowed to argue, just don't feed the trolls.

Also, I do think that arguing religion and politics (what else is there?) is forbidden in this forum, and for the sake of brevity, perhaps, if we are going to use religion, we should keep it in matters that relate to Ashley and her SUSPECTED bi status in ME3. Not confirmed.

I do recommend "The Year of Living Biblically: One Man's Humble Quest to Follow the Bible as Literally as Possible" by A.J. Jacobs.

[shepskisaac]

NICKjnp wrote...

Good try but no.  You failed to look at the reason why he said slavery shouldn't be fought against.  Christianity was a new religion.  It was already being attacked by other religions of the time.  The Roman empire considered it secular because it was monotheistic and not polytheistic.  Paul was trying to tell people to not rock the boat.  There was already problems between Christianity and the state.  Having Christian slaves rise up against those who owned them would have only caused an uproar and attack on the church as a whole.  It is why he wanted slave owners to treat their slaves as equals and slaves not to rise up against their owners (so they could be witnesses).  He also stated that if they could get their freedom then they should.

But again this would take more than a quick paragraph to explain in detail...and I'm tired of arguing.

So, Paul preffered to sacrifice people's lives and freedom in the name of the Church institution. Well, that about sums up how much credibility he has as a moral authority.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 juillet 2011 - 03:55 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

So Bioware should go with the very unlikely scenario just because it's technically possible? Like it or not, she is more likely to be heterosexual than bisexual, especially considering you know she has somewhat traditional beliefs.

Or do you want the ability to convert Ashley to whatever?

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

This thread is SO going to be shut down and hard, and I think that's a bad thing. I think people should be allowed to argue, just don't feed the trolls.

Also, I do think that arguing religion and politics (what else is there?) is forbidden in this forum, and for the sake of brevity, perhaps, if we are going to use religion, we should keep it in matters that relate to Ashley and her SUSPECTED bi status in ME3. Not confirmed.

I do recommend "The Year of Living Biblically: One Man's Humble Quest to Follow the Bible as Literally as Possible" by A.J. Jacobs.

True but this really should've gone in the FFTL thread. Making duplicate threads just annoy people. 

ANd yes it is. But to be honest we have to think about Ash's character most of all. And I don't see her as the type to restrict herself on something a book tells her. She's too independant for that. She might be spiritual but that doesn't mean she automatically has a certain religion. For all we know there's a newer religion with one god and all this dicussion of Christianity is a moot point because neither the NT or OT apply. 

[NICKjnp]

Ryzaki wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
Hebrews 9:15

Point. Thanks for pointing that out to me

And so sex out of marriage is okay afterwards then? And she can speak in church? Oh and  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection? (and the last 2 I'm sure are in the NT). 

That still applies to this so religious ash that she dares not be gay? 

Good point about women speaking in church.  Some people feel that part of the writing have to be looked at as being situational.  Meaning that society at the time was agains it and that people should not rock the boat.  Others feel that is something that applies to all time.  But this is very off-topic.  If you want ot PM me about it I would be glad to tell you the differing opinions about it.  As well as the opinions that range from homosexuality being wrong to being accepted in this day in age.  Again I only stress that this is the opinions of the majority of christians.  It isn't necessarily my opinion.  I just feel that rather than having people turning into south park parents that I would instead try to explain the opposite side's viewpoint.  The problem is that people continue to use hyperbole when they argue.  And nobody is willing to look at the other side's viewpoint.

[Ryzaki]

NICKjnp wrote...
Good point about women speaking in church.  Some people feel that part of the writing have to be looked at as being situational.  Meaning that society at the time was agains it and that people should not rock the boat.  Others feel that is something that applies to all time.  But this is very off-topic.  If you want ot PM me about it I would be glad to tell you the differing opinions about it.  As well as the opinions that range from homosexuality being wrong to being accepted in this day in age.  Again I only stress that this is the opinions of the majority of christians.  It isn't necessarily my opinion.  I just feel that rather than having people turning into south park parents that I would instead try to explain the opposite side's viewpoint.  The problem is that people continue to use hyperbole when they argue.  And nobody is willing to look at the other side's viewpoint.

And that can't apply to s/s relationships how exactly?

Especially considering there's interpretations of the whole no "men and men relationships" that align it more with pedophilia? (not to mention it doesn't even mention f/f relationships. (unless I missed something else.)) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:05 .

[RPGamer13]

Yes! 1000x yes!

Both Jack and Ashley seemed like they were originally going to be programmed both ways, but that it got canned. I think them more likely than Miranda, but one can hope even for her.

I keep my fingers crossed for the females, but I won't be entirely disappointed if it doesn't happen and I definitely won't be holding my breath.

It's a 'hope for the best, but expect the worst' kind of situation for me. But it would be awesome if it happened in any capacity.

[NICKjnp]

IsaacShep wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Good try but no.  You failed to look at the reason why he said slavery shouldn't be fought against.  Christianity was a new religion.  It was already being attacked by other religions of the time.  The Roman empire considered it secular because it was monotheistic and not polytheistic.  Paul was trying to tell people to not rock the boat.  There was already problems between Christianity and the state.  Having Christian slaves rise up against those who owned them would have only caused an uproar and attack on the church as a whole.  It is why he wanted slave owners to treat their slaves as equals and slaves not to rise up against their owners (so they could be witnesses).  He also stated that if they could get their freedom then they should.

But again this would take more than a quick paragraph to explain in detail...and I'm tired of arguing.

So, Paul preffered to sacrifice people's lives and freedom in the name of the Church institution. Well, that about sums up how much credibility he has as a moral authority.

Way to use hyperbole

[sedrikhcain]

The amount of time spent discussing this on these boards astounds me.

There, that will be my one and only post on ANY of these threads.

[Abispa]

ReconTeam wrote...

So Bioware should go with the very unlikely scenario just because it's technically possible? Like it or not, she is more likely to be heterosexual than bisexual, especially considering you know she has somewhat traditional beliefs.

Or do you want the ability to convert Ashley to whatever?

My role playing shouldn't be crippled by your lack of imagination.

[lietk12]

ReconTeam wrote...

Like it or not, she is more likely to be heterosexual than bisexual, especially considering you know she has somewhat traditional beliefs.

Can you please delineate exactly which of her traditional beliefs could be related to sexual orientation?

[ISpeakTheTruth]

All this Christianity talk makes me glad I'm a Buddhist... much more mellow faith.

On topic the problem with Ash and Kaidan being Bi now is you have the strange situtation where you have to ask... why are they open to a s/s relationship now and not in ME1? Was it Shepard dying and they thought 'Dang! I should have told him/her I swung that way."

[Abispa]

sedrikhcain wrote...

The amount of time spent discussing this on these boards astounds me.

There, that will be my one and only post on ANY of these threads.

No it won't.

[PrinceLionheart]

TheMarshal wrote...

Guys this is like the third thread for s/s romances. Can we perhaps merge them somehow?

What, something like "All things Gay in this thread."

But seriously, there's like a new freaking thread everyday on why "insert character here" should be Bi. It's getting kind of tiresome, and I agree there should be a general thread.

[NICKjnp]

I'm not going off-topic anymore... as a matter of fact I'm just going to bed. I have a 3 1/2 mile run to do at 5:00 am.

@Ryzaki:  If you want to continue this via PM in a civilized manner than I will be glad to (you seemed to be intersted in having a civilized conversation).  I won't respond till tomorrow though.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:08 .

[Ryzaki]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Guys this is like the third thread for s/s romances. Can we perhaps merge them somehow?

What, something like "All things Gay in this thread."

But seriously, there's like a new freaking thread everyday on why "insert character here" should be Bi. It's getting kind of tiresome, and I agree there should be a general thread.

There *is* a general thread! People just keep ignoring it. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

sedrikhcain wrote...
The amount of time spent discussing this on these boards astounds me.
There, that will be my one and only post on ANY of these threads.

I really enjoy all of the theories about how "insert any character here" could be bisexual just in order to suit the posters own whims.

[Abispa]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

All this Christianity talk makes me glad I'm a Buddhist... much more mellow faith.

On topic the problem with Ash and Kaidan being Bi now is you have the strange situtation where you have to ask... why are they open to a s/s relationship now and not in ME1? Was it Shepard dying and they thought 'Dang! I should have told him/her I swung that way."

The characters NEVER said they weren't into it. Bioware just never gave us the option. Just like they didn't give players the option to romance Tali or Garrus in the first game.

We never see Ashley using the restroom, but I assume she has a bladder and a colon. However, Bioware COULD come in on ME3 and mention that Alliance military diets are so perfect that all the energy is absorbed into the body and no waste is created.

[Eromenos]

franciscoamell wrote...

Why does every thread related to homosexuality becomes a huge fight where a preson can't even say she doesn't want x to be gay without being called homophobic, do I want my Shepard to be gay like I am? Sure, it'd be nice but I won't fight untill my last breath to add some more minutes to a videogame, I'm fine romancing Jack and Tali, I wouldn't be with them in real life but I wouldn't do a lot of things Shepard does, Shepard isn't me, he is another person he can be straight.
Everybody gets so mad with such a small part of the game, romancing someone only gives one acchievement and some minutes of extra content. Nice content? Sure, but is it worth all this fighting? Same sex romances are alreadt confirmed for boys and girls in Mass Effect 3, why are you still fighting? Please, people, let's act like the sane nice people we are.

I'm afraid the reality is that queer people do have to fight thrice as hard just to attain even tokenized versions of affirmations that straight people are simply able to take for granted.

Most of us, queer or straight, prefer to project ourselves into the Shepards we role-play as, and we would like to witness our lives reflected in the NPCS all around. Most straight gamers are handed these comforts without second thought thanks to narrow heterocentric writing. Queer gamers cannot rely on being included thanks to continual homophobia in these parts.

Our knowing so means we should point out that homophobic tokenism is unacceptable. Or, in the case of Kaidan or Ashley in ME1, homophobic whitewashing altogether. Because tokenism and whitewashing still happen at our expense. We should expect BioWare to try those again and we should speak of them, point to them in the relevant past to try and nip it in the bud before ME3 goes to retail. Considering all this we should not pretend as if being "allowed" M/M means the ME devs are finally heroes in any sense whatsoever. They have a nasty history of willfully mishandling queer depictions while patronizingly denouncing us for defending ourselves.

That's why calling someone homophobic is a mild label useful for framing our detractors in proper context.

Modifié par Eromenos, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:15 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Abispa wrote...
My role playing shouldn't be crippled by your lack of imagination.

Characters shouldn't be made cardboard cutouts designed to please the whims of some fanboys.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:12 .

[Jademoon121]

Ashely could be a Wiccan or a Sheik for all we know! It's a hundred years in the future for crying out loud. Cultures and religions can change, diverge, and be destroyed in that time period. Her faith is a non-issue. I can see he falling for FemShep as Merrill did; sheer fangirlism and hero worship.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 16 juillet 2011 - 04:16 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Ryzaki wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Guys this is like the third thread for s/s romances. Can we perhaps merge them somehow?

What, something like "All things Gay in this thread."

But seriously, there's like a new freaking thread everyday on why "insert character here" should be Bi. It's getting kind of tiresome, and I agree there should be a general thread.

There *is* a general thread! People just keep ignoring it. 

I just saw it after posting my initial comment.

But they're joining the ranks of "Ash is teh Racist" and "Paragon Favoritsm" threads of being nothing but a broken record.