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[Sajji]

naughty99 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Yeah. Most of them don't really appeal to me. I don't exactly want a bonus that simply makes the game easier.

The tarot cards sound like fun.

Here is the description:

" This is a 78 cards deck that doesn't match usual divinatory decks because we envisioned it as a typical deck from the alternate world of Dunwall. All artworks are original and were created by Arkane; there's even a rules set for an original game called "The Game of Nancy" in the box. "

That sounds cool. A ruleset for a game? Which retailer has that?

I never use in-game bonuses personally, but for games I look forward to little add-ons like that are a nice touch.

Are they doing a demo at E3, Naughty?

[naughty99]

yes, there is one today at 1pm on G4TV.

The tarot cards are only available if you pre-order through Gamestop.

[naughty99]

The live gameplay demo has been posted on G4TV 

This game looks amazing!

Modifié par naughty99, 04 juin 2012 - 09:48 .

[HoonDing]

Those special powers seem very overpowered.

[Sajji]

Every demo is in God mode. I'm super pumped. The environment detail is spectacular, there are really sweet powers and right away you can see Deus Ex influences.

I'm glad they played pure stealth for the demo. This game isn't going to be for everybody, and it isn't catering to the 'big explosions ftw!!!' crowd.

Can't wait to see moar!!!

[CmndrFisher]

Sajji wrote...

Every demo is in God mode. I'm super pumped. The environment detail is spectacular, there are really sweet powers and right away you can see Deus Ex influences.

I'm glad they played pure stealth for the demo. This game isn't going to be for everybody, and it isn't catering to the 'big explosions ftw!!!' crowd.

Can't wait to see moar!!!

I'v been keeping my eye on this since Game Informer did a cover piece last summer.  Something felt real good about this one and so far every tidbit that has been popping up in the media since last August has benn getting me more and more pumped.

I like the idead of gameplay choice ie. I think I will play pure stealth for my first playthrough then add a little more action for my next playthrough.  Hopefully a newgame+ mode will offer even more variables.

I got my pre-order already half paid for.  Sooo looking forward to tthis game.

[naughty99]

OK, here is a new E3 demo with a completely different approach to the exact same mission from yesterday:

Possess the fish

[Veex]

It looks really, really easy. I understand that a lot of the allure of stealth gameplay is having an alternative to combat, but I'm of the mind those alternatives should take a bit of timing, maybe some planning. Not magically teleporting around. I think thats actually probably the biggest setback I've got with the game thus far, the hybridization of stealth and magic isn't sitting right with me yet.

Regardless, I really enjoy stealth based games and will keep an eye on it.

[Morroian]

Luc0s wrote...

So, this game isn't gonna be an open-world game after all, eh? It's actually going to be a linear on-rails game with separate levels for each mission.

Depends what you consider linear, it'll be like Thief probably, mission based but each mission will be able to be done using a variety of different approaches. 

[Chromie]

Luc0s wrote...

So, this game isn't gonna be an open-world game after all, eh? It's actually going to be a linear on-rails game with separate levels for each mission.

This news made me a whole lot less exited for this game, but it still looks good enough for me to buy it at release I guess.

Go play some Thief and you might get an idea for what they are doing.

 

[Chromie]

Luc0s wrote...


I've played the Thief games, all 3 of them, quite certainly actually. Thief is different. Thief at least has a hub level which is semi-open. What I understand from this demo is that this game is on-rails level after level structure, nothing like Thief is, perhaps more like Deus Ex: Human Revolution perhaps.

But even Deus Ex had a lot to offer for people who like to explore.

[naughty99]

Luc0s wrote...
What I understand from this demo is that this game is on-rails level after level structure, nothing like Thief is, perhaps more like Deus Ex: Human Revolution perhaps.

The demo today and the demo yesterday were the same exact level.

They both were completed in different ways, with open sandbox gameplay. 

[Rockworm503]

There are different forms of sandbox play.
It doesn't have to be open world like Skyrim to be sandbox.
I'd argue a game like Deus Ex is more sandbox than that because different ways of tackling a mission is something I really love. Sure i love open world games too but if I had the choice I'd rather they make the game tight.
There's different styles everywhere. GTA is funner when you make your own fun.
Dishonored looks fun when you get creative with how you reach your objective.

[android654]

I'm watching their hands-on for G4 and I'm not really impressed. I want to stay excited for this, but it's lost it's allure for me.

[Sajji]

What demo doesn't look easy?

It's plenty open, and its a small section of a hub. It's been known since its inception that it'd be open hub.

Thanks for the link, Naughty. Looks fantastic. One of the best of E3 by far.

[naughty99]

Luc0s wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

There are different forms of sandbox play.
It doesn't have to be open world like Skyrim to be sandbox.
I'd argue a game like Deus Ex is more sandbox than that because different ways of tackling a mission is something I really love. Sure i love open world games too but if I had the choice I'd rather they make the game tight.
There's different styles everywhere. GTA is funner when you make your own fun.
Dishonored looks fun when you get creative with how you reach your objective.

You don't seem to understand what sandbox means.

GTA and Skyrim are sandbox because "you make your own fun". That is the very definition of sandbox.

Dishonored has nothing to do with sandbox.

Dishonored is definitely a sandbox game. It's not a huge open world, but within each area of the city you explore, it's free roam. The focus is on emergent gameplay and player authored narrative, not cutscenes and corridors.

The devs set up the systems as a sort of simulation and the player is free to do whatever they want. You can finish the entire game without even fighting anybody if you feel like it.

It's not linear levels, like in the Mass Effect series, for example. 

Modifié par naughty99, 06 juin 2012 - 02:03 .

[Sajji]

That's what a hub is. Deus Ex: Human Revolution had hubs as well. It's hard to notice but there is a mana bar that is implemented. I personally hope to see more combat soon. I play stealth, but I get antsy and end up killing. Might do a pure stealth playthrough eventually.

Its going to be fun looking for things to possess and exploring around hubs. I also heard several times (and subsequently forgot) how actions and the way you handle events and npcs will in a hidden way affect the endgame.

I'm going to play a mix of action and stealth, using mostly gadgets and magic, with maybe one gun (preferably a .44).

Also hope to see some story / NPC interaction. Once I see those I'm preordering.

This E3 did suck. Outside of Dishonored, Watch Dogs, Dawnguard dlc and Dark Souls dlc...absolute crap.

Modifié par Sajji, 06 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[Sajji]

Luc0s wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

There are different forms of sandbox play.
It doesn't have to be open world like Skyrim to be sandbox.
I'd argue a game like Deus Ex is more sandbox than that because different ways of tackling a mission is something I really love. Sure i love open world games too but if I had the choice I'd rather they make the game tight.
There's different styles everywhere. GTA is funner when you make your own fun.
Dishonored looks fun when you get creative with how you reach your objective.

You don't seem to understand what sandbox means.

GTA and Skyrim are sandbox because "you make your own fun". That is the very definition of sandbox.

Dishonored has nothing to do with sandbox.

Dishonored is definitely a sandbox game. It's not a huge open world, but within each area of the city you explore, it's free roam. The focus is on emergent gameplay and player authored narrative, not cutscenes and corridors.

The devs set up the systems as a sort of simulation and the player is free to do whatever they want. You can finish the entire game without even fighting anybody if you feel like it.

It's not linear levels, like in the Mass Effect series, for example. 

You're wrong on multiple levels.

1) Free roam =/= sandbox. There is a difference. Dishonored is neither though, from what I saw and heard. Every mission and part of the story is set in a very specific level specifically tailored for that very specific event. You have to go from A to B and kill target X, Y and Z. Sure, you can plan your own route from A to B and there are multiple approaches, but that is not what I see as "free roam" and it DEFINITELY is NOT sandbox.

2) Dishonored does not provide player-authored narrative. Unless you understand something differently under "player authored narrative" than I do. But in Dishonored, you play a linear story, with a certain set of misions that play in a set order, where you have a assasinate a set amount of targets. Everything is authored by the game, not the player. The only thing you as the player decide is HOW you're going to kill those targets.


Assassin's Creed is sandbox. GTA is sandbox. Skyrim is sandbox. Dishonored is not sandbox.

There's more to do than assassinations. Not shown in the demo, but there are hubs in the city where you're given room to explore and there is a lot to find and,collect, along with other NPC interactions. One example I heard was a thug beating up another NPC. You could interact and help the NPC...you could interact and help the thug, or you could ignore. Supposedly, and this is an example, how you act in that situation will be calculated and used in a hidden manner for the endgame.

Hopefully in the future we see footage of how big the hubs are. In the demo, Corvo seemingly found that location...it was probably on a hub map.

Bethesda owns id, and so QuakeCon is Bethesda's big event. Looking forward to moar Dishonored there!!