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[DPSSOC]

Ayanko wrote...
What confused me how ever is how the Mage Human Warden end up in Fereldan and not Kirkwall? Was it due to their nobility?

I'm guessing their parents sent them to the Fereldan Circle to distance them from the family.  The Amells were not proud of their magical heritage and probably didn't want a constant reminder and stain on their reputation in the same city.

[Ayanko]

DPSSOC wrote...

Ayanko wrote...
What confused me how ever is how the Mage Human Warden end up in Fereldan and not Kirkwall? Was it due to their nobility?

I'm guessing their parents sent them to the Fereldan Circle to distance them from the family.  The Amells were not proud of their magical heritage and probably didn't want a constant reminder and stain on their reputation in the same city.

I thought this untill I heard the reactions on how the Wardens mother took it having her children taking away, she wasn't ashamed she was distraught at the fact they were taking them away. The warden doesn't say anything negative about her either, which you would expect if they were hated and a stain on the familys liniage.

[GavrielKay]

Marduksdragon wrote...
Thing is- I'm not sanctioning the slaughter of all mages with that act, nor would I. Cullen and the others (as friends of Hawke) would know this, given that I spent ten years visiting the Gallows working on them.

I don't think I could disagree with this any more than if you'd tried to tell me that 2 + 2 = 5

Running around killing mages at Meredith's command is sanctioning the act.  Cullen and the others ought to be completely confused that Hawke's now taken up arms against the innocents.

Ah well.

[GavrielKay]

DPSSOC wrote...

Ayanko wrote...
What confused me how ever is how the Mage Human Warden end up in Fereldan and not Kirkwall? Was it due to their nobility?

I'm guessing their parents sent them to the Fereldan Circle to distance them from the family.  The Amells were not proud of their magical heritage and probably didn't want a constant reminder and stain on their reputation in the same city.

I don't think I ever got the impression that mages or their families got to choose which circle they went to.  It could simply have been the Chantry wanting to remove mageWarden from their comfort zone.

[erilben]

Ayanko wrote...

What confused me how ever is how the Mage Human Warden end up in Fereldan and not Kirkwall? Was it due to their nobility?

Apprentices are typically not allowed to see their families. The templars probably wouldn't want to keep mages from the same family together either, so all of Revka's children would be put into different circles.

[Sepewrath]

GavrielKay wrote...
I don't think I ever got the impression that mages or their families got to choose which circle they went to.  It could simply have been the Chantry wanting to remove mageWarden from their comfort zone.

Well with wealth and connections comes privilege, if the Amell's were having tea parties with the Knight Commander, it wouldn't be surprising if they could get rid of their kid quietly.  Its the farmers and regular folk that would have no say if their kid ends up on the other side of the world.

[Rifneno]

Or they could've been in Ferelden of their own free will, for whatever reason, and gotten taken by the Circle there.

[Ayanko]

Rifneno wrote...

Or they could've been in Ferelden of their own free will, for whatever reason, and gotten taken by the Circle there.

Nah they were crafted into the circle at a very young age, 5 years old maybe? Old enough for it to be apparant anyway.
But then again Revka could have been in Fereldan, if that was the case where are the other children and where is Revka?

I don't think we've seen mages that are actually related in the tower before, perhaps they do seperate them.
They never mentioned their siblings either...To be honest I think they were killed in their harrowing in Kirkwall, knowing this the Amells had there youngest moved to the Fereldan circle.

Modifié par Ayanko, 23 juillet 2011 - 10:17 .

[Marduksdragon]

GavrielKay wrote...

Marduksdragon wrote...
Thing is- I'm not sanctioning the slaughter of all mages with that act, nor would I. Cullen and the others (as friends of Hawke) would know this, given that I spent ten years visiting the Gallows working on them.

I don't think I could disagree with this any more than if you'd tried to tell me that 2 + 2 = 5

Running around killing mages at Meredith's command is sanctioning the act.  Cullen and the others ought to be completely confused that Hawke's now taken up arms against the innocents.

Ah well.

It would be a much more complex equation than the one you gave and have to take into account the rioting citizens and other variables that would be talked about with Cullen and co afterward. Also the "we failed to protect the mages" would be stressing that "We"--- and that "We" will do better in the future. Samson would need counseling either way.

Hawke is involved in one, not many, and not for the reasons that Meredith gave (which i've already gone over). The Templars are confused either way. On one end, Hawke is killing innocent mages she's encouraged them to be kind to. On the other end, she's their friend and killing Templars whom she's made clear she believes are people and necessary. It's not a clean ending on either side if you've worked towards moderation and accord-- it's only clean if you've been an extremist (not the same as terrorist! please don't mistake me- especially not you, Rif ) on either side. (as I've said many times before) I think being there to steer the Templars is more important to the mages continued freedom than leading the survivors. The mages aren't bad people and they aren't impaired by anything other than lack of life experience and being desperate-- they will figure out what to do very quickly. The Templars, while not intrinsically bad, have been chemically conditioned to obey the Chantry--- they would not figure out what to do quickly because their shackles are in their minds and they carry them at all times. (They might even go back to the Chantry if they were craving a fix bad enough-- people prostitute themselves against their own morals in one manner or other all the time for drugs.)  Even Thrask, whose own daughter was a mage, took years of working inside his own Order to put together his rebellion.

I don't get the feeling we're going to ever agree (not that we have to). You demand simplicity from me when there is none to give in my scenario.

Rifneno wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Marduksdragon wrote...
It's
funny, but I always think Carroll is probably the one who let Anders
out of the tower initially (being as easily frightened and addled as he
is).

Anders sneaking out of the tower.
Carroll: Hey Anders, escaping again?
Anders: You know it.
Carroll: Well have fun, and bring me back some cookies if you can.

I would pay for a DLC just to see that scene.

You and me both.

Modifié par Marduksdragon, 25 juillet 2011 - 01:02 .