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[InfinitePaths]

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

[Cody211282]

"But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD"

So you like it because it has walking T&A?

[ApostleinTriumph]

I don't need to accept any change I don't like.

Wave system, reused environments, pointless and empty side quests, being stuck to a city and same surroundings for 10 years, story composed of three acts that don't connect to each other in a way, bad itemization, completely unstimulating and consolized UI, inability to change what your party members wear, reduced interaction between you and your party members, and game ending being a joke. I wouldn't rate DA2 anything above 7.5/10, it deserves 7/10 in my book, would probably rate it lower but for the sake of DA:O I keep it there. It is a playable game but definitely not a classic, and definitely not a Bioware game.

Attempting to cater to console kiddies like you is the reason why DA2 failed.

[BanksHector]

If it was not for Act 3, I would agree it was as good as DA:O. I do wish they handled the family different, but I did not have any problems other then that.

I take that back. I really missed Orghen.

Modifié par BanksHector, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:06 .

[Feanor_II]

I don't like it because it's totally oversimplified, let's start with that

[bEVEsthda]

And grass is purple and the sky is pink.

I hate it for the imbecil art direction. (like your fav DA2-isabel for instance, who would never be able to hold command of anything, certainly not a ship, imo she's a horrible travesty of the DA:O captain).

That disgust and nausea over the awful style changes then makes me very observant and intolerant of every flaw and lack in the gameplay (which DA2 also has in stark abundance).

I also don't understand how you can claim DA2 is "personal, emotional". I absolutely don't have a clue what you mean. I mean, the game just kills off one sibling and your mother. In some kinds of ripoffs of japanese melodrama. Am I supposed to be impressed by that? I never spoke or related to either of them. They were complete strangers, as anonymous as any of the hundreds of falling goons I killed.

[Sinuphro]

i hated dragon age 2. A lot of ppl that do not come to this website hated it. The only reason I stumbled onto this site was because I had to reset my password due to completing some stuff in dragon age legends. The fact that a significant amount of ppl hate DA2 should be a red flag to the developers that they had done a bunch of things wrong

[Gotholhorakh]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

Respectfully, I'm glad you like it.

However, when people talk about why they dislike Dragon Age 2 the same issues come up again and again - it's always the great strides away from the original in design direction, gameplay experience and quality control/rushedness. These are not imaginary criticisms.

We've all had enough people* try to ram down our throats that we should/must enjoy this game despite the actual game, and it hasn't worked - as far as I can see there is, broadly speaking, a consensus that the game was a disappointment.

Naturally there are some who liked the game, and it's never been my stance that we should seek to dismiss them or be nasty to them (good for you guys!), but if this franchise is ever to see growth, pandering to this slim minority, "staying the course" and disregarding the overwhelming sentiment among the fan base would be absolutely stupid.

Repeat custom cannot be relied upon to subsidise another failed experiment. Especially after people's last disappointment was pre-ordered on trust or bought to support, effectively non-refundable/resaleable, and their feedback responded to with hand-waving and borderline insults.

To use a sailing analogy rather than the traditional car one, I think the "new direction" has turned out to be towards Antarctica. It's been survivable to do so for a very short time, a moment of folly, but unless Dragon Age sails back towards the trade routes soon, there are going to be problems for it.


*I don't mean you there 

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:41 .

[alex90c]

That disgust and nausea over the awful style changes then makes me very observant and intolerant of every flaw and lack in the gameplay (which DA2 also has in stark abundance).

God, this so much. Thanks to DA2 it's made me oversensitive to things like reused environments and reused character faces in EVERY SINGLE DAMN GAME I PLAY all because it was in such bloody abundance in DA2 which messes up my experience of other games when I simply want to enjoy it but because of this game, every now and then I check to see if I've visited an area before, if they were just trying to use little tricks like entering me from a different place.

[Uccio]

ApostleinTriumph wrote...

I don't need to accept any change I don't like.

Wave system, reused environments, pointless and empty side quests, being stuck to a city and same surroundings for 10 years, story composed of three acts that don't connect to each other in a way, bad itemization, completely unstimulating and consolized UI, inability to change what your party members wear, reduced interaction between you and your party members, and game ending being a joke. I wouldn't rate DA2 anything above 7.5/10, it deserves 7/10 in my book, would probably rate it lower but for the sake of DA:O I keep it there. It is a playable game but definitely not a classic, and definitely not a Bioware game.

Attempting to cater to console kiddies like you is the reason why DA2 failed.

Hear hear.

[lokisjoke13]

I completely agree on all counts.... and I play on ps3 lol
 for the record, i was agreeing with apostles analysis

Modifié par lokisjoke13, 17 juillet 2011 - 01:36 .

[VheodTh]

I don't agree with OP on the reasons why its better than origins, but it definitely is.

[Kidd]

DA2 seems absolutely fantastic on paper. Personally I probably do like it better than Origins, but when I try to look beyond myself I can see that Origins was probably a more rewarding and immersive game overall.

That said, I believe DA2 has tons and tons of great new concepts introduced with it, they're just... not implemented very well. Not to mention they're put in the context of 3 rooms reused the entire game. I blame that general unrefinement and reuse on the short development period.

[Shadow Raziel]

I liked the game. So this topic was not directed at me. But I liked DAO as well. The combat seemed light years ahead of the paint drying combat of Origins. XD

[Icinix]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.?

Or because they actually found the game to be a somewhat average game.

I also think there is a big difference between the large number of people that found the game average and the few that are spewing hate.  The downside is I fear that a lot of concerns about DA2 will get shrugged off as being "Just haters because of expectation and because its different."

I think there is enough room in the game series to maintain what people like, while taking it back a little to DAO or some of the other elements people who didn't find the game as enjoyable would like.  There should be no reason why it can't be closer to a win / win for everyone.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

DAO - trope mechanics = DA2.

DA2 + more environments + entire party management system = DA3 = pure win.

DA3 + booby slider + booty slider = epic win.

[Salaya]

Dragon Age 2 is not a crap game. As many people have stated here, the problem is that it's just an OK game, with many flaws. Those flaws are so obvious that shade all the great things that DA2 does right.

I, for myself, don't like the new direction of the franchise. Since Origins, after enjoying it for two years, I wanted that the idea of classic crpg "modernized" was kept for the universe. Unfortunatelly, Bioware does not want to follow that idea again. So, I don't like it, but I'm sure lots of people will love it. It's a matter of pure opinion.

But there are things that are not as subjective as those impliying the new direction. DA2 has many things that expose the rush of its development. Things many times discussed here. It tries, but it fails, to emulate Mass Effect 2 success. I find difficult to deny that DA2 has horrible scenaries design; or somewhat clunky gamplay-dev decisions. Add some irritating details and you'll end with a mixed game that was supposed to continue a modern classic.

I don't understand when people gets personal or in "hate" mode here, but I find understandable that fans get upset. Is not only a matter of accept changes; is a matter, too, of present those changes in a likeable manner. And DA2, unfortunatelly, does not do that.

[Yuqi]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

Learn to spell, kid.  With your serious lack of english skills; you shouldn't even be playing the game.

Modifié par Yuqi, 17 juillet 2011 - 02:53 .

[Dariuszp]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

Give me a popcorn :-D This will be long flamewar thread before someone lock it :-D Anyway - to pour some fuel on this flame i must say that your statment is a good joke :-D In other words you can :

IGNORE PROBLEMS OF ANY CRAPPY GAME AND CALL IT EPIC, GREAT, DIFFERENT AND RATE IT 10/10 :-D

No whink about what I just said :-) Have a nice day. We hate it because all this things you ignored And there is not much left in it after that

Ok... now where is my popcorn ?...

Modifié par Dariuszp, 17 juillet 2011 - 02:51 .

[nuclearpengu1nn]

The only reason i like DAO more is because DA2 lack epic moments

[Demon Velsper]

Well at least your post let me confirm my prejudices about people who like DA2.

[Solara]

          I guess I play each game I acquire for its own merits.  Its impossible to compare the story in Origins to that of  Awakening and then again to DA II.   I love change and appreciate each story line for just that reason.  If I find fault it would be in DA II's rating.  I can see why the "M" due to the violence, but really there was better sexual content Origins than in DA II.  Come on people if you're advertising sexual content then let's have something to truly rate the "M".

[DetailedSubset]

Op needs to work on spelling, punctuation and grammar.

[csfteeeer]

I don't need to Accept anything.
the game was rushed,buggy, and over simplified(more than Origins, which was simplified compared to other older RPGs, but i rather liked what they were going for and the game was deep enugh),and the hole "Button Awesome" thing just seemed to me like an insult to people's intelligence.

oh yeah, and work on your spell, Jesus.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:31 .

[Vindicare175]

Okay first off DA2 is no way better or even come close to being as good as Origins its a Okay game not what I expected. Secondly as a lot of people have stated the massive amount of issues with it , Reused environments/wave system/way too simplified/lots of bufs / personally for me very little customization come on no armor change on your companions really?.

They should have split up the years in Kirkwall better and gave us more Acts , 3 just seems too short. If they gave had been given another good year or even 2 of development time it would maybe have been as good as Origins. I guess we can all hope that a bunch of DLC can make up for it and some sort of massive patch to fix the reused environments.

Another thing personally i say do away with Hawke , I rather play with a new person then hawke. Not a big fan of him cause personally he isn't all that great and is really not the most important person in DA History.

Modifié par Vindicare175, 17 juillet 2011 - 03:58 .