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[Uccio]

csfteeeer wrote...

...and the hole "Button Awesome" thing just seemed to me like an insult to people's intelligence...

I have a feeling that this "Awesome Button" is directed to players age 5 - 10. So older players like me get the opposite feeling of awesome.

[DragonAddict]

DA2 was not better than DAO. Only those who never played DAO would say that.

DA2 was the attempt to consolize the series, make more money, simplify the game alot, more hack and slash, etc.

Personally, I really hated losing the omnidirectional camera tactical view and my feeling on that haven't changed to this day. The rest of DA2 wasn't bad, if the time was there, I'm sure DA2 would of been similar or better than DAO. To me DA2 was the type of game I played twice and that's it, were as DAO I was literally addicted to and played many numerous times, up to 3am, and going to work for 6:30am, DA2, nope.

[MonkeyLungs]

ApostleinTriumph wrote...

I don't need to accept any change I don't like.

Wave system, reused environments, pointless and empty side quests, being stuck to a city and same surroundings for 10 years, story composed of three acts that don't connect to each other in a way, bad itemization, completely unstimulating and consolized UI, inability to change what your party members wear, reduced interaction between you and your party members, and game ending being a joke. I wouldn't rate DA2 anything above 7.5/10, it deserves 7/10 in my book, would probably rate it lower but for the sake of DA:O I keep it there. It is a playable game but definitely not a classic, and definitely not a Bioware game.

Attempting to cater to console kiddies like you is the reason why DA2 failed.

I agree with alot of your post but Origins is actually really popular on consoles and has been consistently outselling DA2 for many many months now on Amazon.com.

I think that it is mythology that RPG players on consoles want streamlined games ... I think RPG players want more in depth experiences.

[FieryDove]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

I am glad you enjoy it.

But telling people they have to accept changes just for the sake of change is wrong. (Not to mention people hate it just because its different, we already hear that enough from high on the EA/Bioware foodchain).

Now that you mention the soundtrack, I can't recall anything memorable from DA2. Which is sad because I loved Zur's work on DAO. I think its because of lack of time. Mr. Zur said the thing was a rush job.
 
Zur: Sure thing. I'm actually really anxious for the game right now, so I can pop it in and start playing. I'm really looking forward to see it. I know there are a few bugs that still need to be fixed. Unlike other titles from Bioware, this [score] was kind of a rush job. EA really wanted to capitalize on the success of Origins, so the game was really being pushed hard to be released now. So I'd like to know if there are bugs, or if there's anything we could patch or fix. Editor's note: Zur is speaking about bugs in the score only; he had no involvement with the rest of the game's development.

[ApostleinTriumph]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

ApostleinTriumph wrote...

I don't need to accept any change I don't like.

Wave system, reused environments, pointless and empty side quests, being stuck to a city and same surroundings for 10 years, story composed of three acts that don't connect to each other in a way, bad itemization, completely unstimulating and consolized UI, inability to change what your party members wear, reduced interaction between you and your party members, and game ending being a joke. I wouldn't rate DA2 anything above 7.5/10, it deserves 7/10 in my book, would probably rate it lower but for the sake of DA:O I keep it there. It is a playable game but definitely not a classic, and definitely not a Bioware game.

Attempting to cater to console kiddies like you is the reason why DA2 failed.

I agree with alot of your post but Origins is actually really popular on consoles and has been consistently outselling DA2 for many many months now on Amazon.com.

I think that it is mythology that RPG players on consoles want streamlined games ... I think RPG players want more in depth experiences.

It is not console gamers wanting anything, it is the devs thinking they have to cater to kiddies with rich parents and dumb adults who they believe are perhaps a little bit more intelligent than a sack of potatoes, as they continue to dumb down their game. Whenever a game becomes popular, after a while for the sake of popularity and becoming more mainstream, devs sacrifice some or most of what made it great in the first place. Happens with almost every single franchise, happened to WoW with WOTLK, Dragon Age with DA2, and a plethora of many other franchises, leaving fans in despair and sadness.

[Celtic Latino]

Respectfully I disagree. I played Dragon Age: Origins for both the Xbox 360 and PC and have also played Dragon Age 2, both games several times over and I actually liked Dragon Age 2 better. 

I can see why PC gamers would be angered by the changes but as one who prefers the console, it actually was a much more enjoyable experience with the action oriented combat. I think both games were really good actually, both have their merits and their flaws. People need to stop obsessively trashing DA2. It's not Dragon Age: Origins 2.0. It's not Dragon Age: The Warden's Everlasting Story. People need to get over it. Many people hated the game before it even came out and once they played it they had their minds set that it was bad. 

Great points about Dragon Age: Origins- 
-The Origins (obviously, which gives the player a new introduction to the world of Thedas) 
-The musical score 
-Storyline is more expansive, save the world type of deal 
-Equipping companion armors
-Arcane Warrior Mages and Dual Wielding Warriors (had to throw that in ) 

Great points about Dragon Age 2- 
-You aren't forced to take certain party members and leave others behind for the whole game out of usefulness
-The action oriented combat (as opposed to the stiff combat of Origins) 
-New skill trees allow for many different kinds of builds as opposed to one set archetype
-Storyline was more of a personal character focus and immediate consequences, felt more like a soap opera
-Friendship/rivalry system 
-Romances don't happen out of "say a few lines and it works" but rather develops over time

People who hated DA2 can just not play the game. It's funny how people on the forums love obsessing how much they hate the game and how Origins was much better. Should that be the case just play Origins and don't mind the players who do like DA2. :-) 

DragonAddict wrote...

DA2 was not better than DAO. Only those who never played DAO would say that.

DA2 was the attempt to consolize the series, make more money, simplify the game alot, more hack and slash, etc.

Personally, I really hated losing the omnidirectional camera tactical view and my feeling on that haven't changed to this day. The rest of DA2 wasn't bad, if the time was there, I'm sure DA2 would of been similar or better than DAO. To me DA2 was the type of game I played twice and that's it, were as DAO I was literally addicted to and played many numerous times, up to 3am, and going to work for 6:30am, DA2, nope.

[erynnar]

Celtic Latino wrote...

Respectfully I disagree. I played Dragon Age: Origins for both the Xbox 360 and PC and have also played Dragon Age 2, both games several times over and I actually liked Dragon Age 2 better. 

I can see why PC gamers would be angered by the changes but as one who prefers the console, it actually was a much more enjoyable experience with the action oriented combat. I think both games were really good actually, both have their merits and their flaws. People need to stop obsessively trashing DA2. It's not Dragon Age: Origins 2.0. It's not Dragon Age: The Warden's Everlasting Story. People need to get over it. Many people hated the game before it even came out and once they played it they had their minds set that it was bad. 

Great points about Dragon Age: Origins- 
-The Origins (obviously, which gives the player a new introduction to the world of Thedas) 
-The musical score 
-Storyline is more expansive, save the world type of deal 
-Equipping companion armors
-Arcane Warrior Mages and Dual Wielding Warriors (had to throw that in ) 

Great points about Dragon Age 2- 
-You aren't forced to take certain party members and leave others behind for the whole game out of usefulness
-The action oriented combat (as opposed to the stiff combat of Origins) 
-New skill trees allow for many different kinds of builds as opposed to one set archetype
-Storyline was more of a personal character focus and immediate consequences, felt more like a soap opera
-Friendship/rivalry system 
-Romances don't happen out of "say a few lines and it works" but rather develops over time

People who hated DA2 can just not play the game. It's funny how people on the forums love obsessing how much they hate the game and how Origins was much better. Should that be the case just play Origins and don't mind the players who do like DA2. :-) 

DragonAddict wrote...

DA2 was not better than DAO. Only those who never played DAO would say that.

DA2 was the attempt to consolize the series, make more money, simplify the game alot, more hack and slash, etc.

Personally, I really hated losing the omnidirectional camera tactical view and my feeling on that haven't changed to this day. The rest of DA2 wasn't bad, if the time was there, I'm sure DA2 would of been similar or better than DAO. To me DA2 was the type of game I played twice and that's it, were as DAO I was literally addicted to and played many numerous times, up to 3am, and going to work for 6:30am, DA2, nope.

And you can take your own advice as well. You can go play DA2 and stop telling people who have an opinion different than your to shut up. Or we can all cheerfully debate and be agreeable to agree to disagree.

And as for DA2 it was sold as a sequel. It is a sequel. I wasn't expecting my Warden (she's happily off doing her own thing in fanfic and I like it that way). But the total retcon, the fixing what wasn't broken and made DAO successful were part and parcel of what poeple's knickers in a twist, and rightfully so. This isn't DA4 or DA5, this is DA2.

To stay on topic: No DA2 is not a better game than DAO, it can't be by virtue of it's dev time alone. Did you, and others still enjoy it more (despite its flaws than you did DAO and its?)? Good, but all that means is it was a better game for you, and in the end, that is all that matters on a personal level.

On a business level, we'll have to see how DLC and DA3 do.

Modifié par erynnar, 17 juillet 2011 - 05:56 .

[Auroras]

I don't think it's better than Origins, but I do think that it is a good game that doesn't deserve all of the hate that it's getting.

[KilrB]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

:lol::lol:

Seriously? <_<

:lol::lol:

You have the nerve to call yourself "HeriocGreyWarden" and then try to tell us DA2 is better than Origins?

:lol::lol:

Modifié par KilrB, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:06 .

[LPPrince]

erynnar wrote...

This isn't DA4 or DA5, this is DA2.

I get the feeling my posts have taken an effect on you. Ha.

[ApostleinTriumph]

Celtic Latino wrote...

Respectfully I disagree. I played Dragon Age: Origins for both the Xbox 360 and PC and have also played Dragon Age 2, both games several times over and I actually liked Dragon Age 2 better. 

I can see why PC gamers would be angered by the changes but as one who prefers the console, it actually was a much more enjoyable experience with the action oriented combat. I think both games were really good actually, both have their merits and their flaws. People need to stop obsessively trashing DA2. It's not Dragon Age: Origins 2.0. It's not Dragon Age: The Warden's Everlasting Story. People need to get over it. Many people hated the game before it even came out and once they played it they had their minds set that it was bad. 

Great points about Dragon Age: Origins- 
-The Origins (obviously, which gives the player a new introduction to the world of Thedas) 
-The musical score 
-Storyline is more expansive, save the world type of deal 
-Equipping companion armors
-Arcane Warrior Mages and Dual Wielding Warriors (had to throw that in ) 

Great points about Dragon Age 2- 
-You aren't forced to take certain party members and leave others behind for the whole game out of usefulness
-The action oriented combat (as opposed to the stiff combat of Origins) 
-New skill trees allow for many different kinds of builds as opposed to one set archetype
-Storyline was more of a personal character focus and immediate consequences, felt more like a soap opera
-Friendship/rivalry system 
-Romances don't happen out of "say a few lines and it works" but rather develops over time

People who hated DA2 can just not play the game. It's funny how people on the forums love obsessing how much they hate the game and how Origins was much better. Should that be the case just play Origins and don't mind the players who do like DA2. :-) 

DragonAddict wrote...

DA2 was not better than DAO. Only those who never played DAO would say that.

DA2 was the attempt to consolize the series, make more money, simplify the game alot, more hack and slash, etc.

Personally, I really hated losing the omnidirectional camera tactical view and my feeling on that haven't changed to this day. The rest of DA2 wasn't bad, if the time was there, I'm sure DA2 would of been similar or better than DAO. To me DA2 was the type of game I played twice and that's it, were as DAO I was literally addicted to and played many numerous times, up to 3am, and going to work for 6:30am, DA2, nope.

What?. You aren't forced to take a party member and leave others? Can you point me a healer besides Anders? It is true that in first game Wynn was THE healer and you pretty much took her to everything, BUT, she had a pretty interesting backstory with the spirit inside her, and was supportive, calm and cool. Anders on the other hand, pretty much whines the whole game and unfortunately there is no other healer here aswell. I am okay for getting some key members for my party and keeping them around, but they have to be interesting to compensate for that. Anders on the other hand, just whined and whined. 

"Soap opera"...exactly what I was expecting from a Dragon Age game. I wonder when they'll bring JR from dead.

Modifié par ApostleinTriumph, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:12 .

[erynnar]

LPPrince wrote...

erynnar wrote...

This isn't DA4 or DA5, this is DA2.

I get the feeling my posts have taken an effect on you. Ha.

Yes they did! And I am sorry I didn't give credit...Um everyone...I am borrowing shamelessly from LPPrince.

[LPPrince]

erynnar wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

erynnar wrote...

This isn't DA4 or DA5, this is DA2.

I get the feeling my posts have taken an effect on you. Ha.

Yes they did! And I am sorry I didn't give credit...Um everyone...I am borrowing shamelessly from LPPrince.

Face Prince- "No no, carry on. Glad to know my words meant something to someone."

Heel Prince- "See folks, this is why you should all be listening to me. I AM THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE AND YOU ALL KNOW IT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT."

Tweener Prince- "I'm flattered. You can go ahead and let my subtle indoctrination continue;hell, I know my words have feeling. Just as long as the rest of you are paying attention."

50 points for people who get what I just did without looking it up.

[LPPrince]

Filament wrote...

Somehow I bet people would be complaining just as much if it stayed like Origins in DA2 and DA3 but then suddenly went DA2 style in DA4 or 5.

I doubt the reaction would be as strong. The game would still be less than stellar, average, not to Bioware's established quality, whatever you want to call it.

BUT- Being that it was the 4th or 5th game in the series, people would be prepared for change.

In this case(exaggerating here), not many really wanted change. We liked DAO, we wanted more of it. Then DA2 happened.

Hence all the, "Bioware, what the hell?" reactions.

[erynnar]

Filament wrote...

Somehow I bet people would be complaining just as much if it stayed like Origins in DA2 and DA3 but then suddenly went DA2 style in DA4 or 5.

There will always be complaints Fil, always. To **** is human, to **** more divne? Seriously, there will always be complaints. The thing is, have you ever seen this kind of backlash for this long for a sequel to a really well loved company and IP?

Like I said, I expected a new story, new character to play with. But I expected it to be DAO style, gameplay, but better. Not retconned and redone all to hell and back.

[Melca36]

While you have some valid points and I can't argue about the game not being fun because it did have some fun aspects.

I will say you are 100% wrong about the soundtrack. It was NOT epic. The opening music is nice but to say it was epic is truly an understatement and just wrong. <_<

[cJohnOne]

I'd give DA2 a solid 7 out of 10. I assume Origins is a 9 out of 10 but I think Dragon Age 2 is a good game. Maybe even a great game. At least one that I will be playing for the rest of the year.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:34 .

[TheBlackBaron]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. 

[Wusword77]

erynnar wrote...

To stay on topic: No DA2 is not a better game than DAO, it can't be by virtue of it's dev time alone. Did you, and others still enjoy it more (despite its flaws than you did DAO and its?)? Good, but all that means is it was a better game for you, and in the end, that is all that matters on a personal level.

By that claim Duke Nukem Forever is the best game ever.   In fact it's over TWICE as good as DA:O because it's had more then twice the development cycle.

I enjoyed DA2 much more then DA:O.  I think DA:O was a solid game but it feels old, like I was supposed to be playing it a decade ago.  Plus reading this boards just confirms my suspicion that DA:O is overrated in the gaming world.

[billy the squid]

Celtic Latino wrote...

Respectfully I disagree. I played Dragon Age: Origins for both the Xbox 360 and PC and have also played Dragon Age 2, both games several times over and I actually liked Dragon Age 2 better. 

I can see why PC gamers would be angered by the changes but as one who prefers the console, it actually was a much more enjoyable experience with the action oriented combat. I think both games were really good actually, both have their merits and their flaws. People need to stop obsessively trashing DA2. It's not Dragon Age: Origins 2.0. It's not Dragon Age: The Warden's Everlasting Story. People need to get over it. Many people hated the game before it even came out and once they played it they had their minds set that it was bad. 

Great points about Dragon Age: Origins- 
-The Origins (obviously, which gives the player a new introduction to the world of Thedas) 
-The musical score 
-Storyline is more expansive, save the world type of deal 
-Equipping companion armors
-Arcane Warrior Mages and Dual Wielding Warriors (had to throw that in ) 

Great points about Dragon Age 2- 
-You aren't forced to take certain party members and leave others behind for the whole game out of usefulness
-The action oriented combat (as opposed to the stiff combat of Origins) 
-New skill trees allow for many different kinds of builds as opposed to one set archetype
-Storyline was more of a personal character focus and immediate consequences, felt more like a soap opera
-Friendship/rivalry system 
-Romances don't happen out of "say a few lines and it works" but rather develops over time

People who hated DA2 can just not play the game. It's funny how people on the forums love obsessing how much they hate the game and how Origins was much better. Should that be the case just play Origins and don't mind the players who do like DA2. :-) 

whoa ho, I think you and I were playing different games.
1) Please illuminate for me if I want to take a healer, who isn't Anders, and am not a mage myself I can take?

2)Action orientated combat? As in repeatedly hammering A and waiting for timers to cool down, whilst wave upon wave of enemies was thrown at me whilst I attempted to move anywhere within the city.

3)the skill tree remains largely the same, the differences I felt were largely cosmetic as the limitations applied by levels and points placed within the tree remained.

4)Personal? As in the introduction where I had no clue who anyone was, nor did I feel the need to care when one individual was killed.

5)Friendship and Rivalry system, badly executed, I should not get rivalry points for being an arse. I prefered the DAO system, despite being open to abuse. Yet, the problems stems as well from the move to diplomatic, sarcastic and angry response which just over simplifies everything and didn't improve on the dialogue system in DAO.

6)develops over time, As in the game won't let you engage in conversation until it wants you to and the romance is culminated in Act 2. 

If you are under the misapprehansion that people have bashed DA2 because it is not DAO then you are attempting to peddle a ridiculous fantasy. It got bashed because individuals thought it was rushed, sloppy, badly executed and changed a lot of what people liked with out fixing many of the problems in the original, whilst creating new ones.

[Melca36]

Wusword77 wrote...

erynnar wrote...

To stay on topic: No DA2 is not a better game than DAO, it can't be by virtue of it's dev time alone. Did you, and others still enjoy it more (despite its flaws than you did DAO and its?)? Good, but all that means is it was a better game for you, and in the end, that is all that matters on a personal level.

By that claim Duke Nukem Forever is the best game ever.   In fact it's over TWICE as good as DA:O because it's had more then twice the development cycle.

I enjoyed DA2 much more then DA:O.  I think DA:O was a solid game but it feels old, like I was supposed to be playing it a decade ago.  Plus reading this boards just confirms my suspicion that DA:O is overrated in the gaming world.

Overrated in your opinion.  Funny how you forget it was game of the year for a reason.

Modifié par Melca36, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:58 .

[Ylhaym]

Auroras wrote...

I don't think it's better than Origins, but I do think that it is a good game that doesn't deserve all of the hate that it's getting.

This i agree with, Id give DA2 a 8(maybe even 8.5) and Origins a 9. DA2 is a good (and fun) game. And i actually enjoyed combat more in DA2 overall(minus the waves and having hard time using AOE because of the cam limitations). I cannot actually believe when i first visited BSN after DA2 launch and saw the "Hate". Although i agree with why they hated it, people elevated the hate to a level that DA2 doesn't deserve.

[SkittlesKat96]

I CAN accept the games changes, I just don't like the way they went about some of the changes and I think they rushed the game too much.

I also think that Bioware is too afraid they'll lose money and buyers if they don't do things like put voiced protagonists in their games, take out traps and puzzles and etc. and I really wish they could reconsider this stance and find a compromise.

Also there were some things like the companion features and systems in DA 2 that were better than DAO but didn't have enough content and effort put into it for it to surpass DAO's companion features (I didn't mind the fact companions had their home bases but there is a thread explaining what they could have done better with that.)

EDIT: By the way I do agree slightly that the game isn't that bad, I'd say its in between okay, decent and good whereas DAO was great/awesome (in my opinion)

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 17 juillet 2011 - 07:01 .

[Realmzmaster]

Demon Velsper wrote...

Well at least your post let me confirm my prejudices about people who like DA2.

Everyone has a right to his/her opinion. I like DA2 and I like DAO for different reasons. I do take  issue with posters who state that the OP confirms their prejudice about people who like DA2. So I have to ask what prejudices?