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[InfinitePaths]

Thx for writing back,im sorry for my bad english.I see and respect the opinion of most people here.I just hate when people compare it to Origins.DA2 is a Great game and origins is a great game,but they are different.I think only the people who expected a clone as origins were dissapointed in DA 2.For me its a great experience,both games

[TEWR]

bEVEsthda wrote...



I hate it for the imbecil art direction. (like your fav DA2-isabel for instance, who would never be able to hold command of anything, certainly not a ship, imo she's a horrible travesty of the DA:O captain).

You met her for like 5 minutes in DAO and all you learned about her there was that she:

A) was a sex fiend
cheated in games
C) could kick the asses of three men at the same time using her wits

and she's the same in DA2 on all of those accounts. Unless you're going to argue that she's a poor captain in DA2 because her ship got destroyed in a storm with a Qunari dreadnought on her ass. Because then I'd like to see you do better in a storm with another ship firing away at you. Or are you going to argue that because she now looks like a Rivaini and is great looking that she's a poor captain? Because that's just idiotic. 

Seriously, what are you using as your basis for saying she's a bad captain? Anything?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 juillet 2011 - 08:50 .

[ApostleinTriumph]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Thx for writing back,im sorry for my bad english.I see and respect the opinion of most people here.I just hate when people compare it to Origins.DA2 is a Great game and origins is a great game,but they are different.I think only the people who expected a clone as origins were dissapointed in DA 2.For me its a great experience,both games

What should people compare it to? Call of Duty? FIFA games? Or perhaps The Sims? Ofcourse they will compare it to DA:O because this is a sequel.

If this game was something like DA: Hawke's Story, sort of like Awakening was, I would be fine. With perhaps a lowered cost, the game would have been great. I would just take it as a standalone game in DA universe, and leave it there. However, they present it as DA2, as a sequel. Sequels should be better, not worse as in this case.

Nobody expects a clone, but there are some things that people expect from a DA:O sequel most of which made people love that game. So, when those things are removed in DA2 and replaced by other things, or in some cases watered down to nothing, people get angry, people dislike the game and people are disappointed. For example, can someone explain me why the f.ck I cannot change the equipment of my own characters? What were they thinking? I find tons of good equipment that I am forced to sell because noone of my characters can wear it. How is this a sequel to DA:O?

These changes were mostly same for ME2 aswell, but ME2 had a great setting, great story, great characters, and variety in the environments. You visit many different planets. The whole game took place in many different places, it wasn't like only Citadel and its surrounding planets. Voice acting is superb, combat is fluid and fun. Most of things have been removed and dumbed down aswell from ME2, but story and setting damn makes up for it. Plus, it's a sci-fi. I can take a more action oriented game style and less inventory work in that. (Because eh, there are no swords, crossbows or daggers in space) As long as the story, atmosphere and setting is good. ME2 did those things fine, and I take it as not a CRPG, but some sort of interactive storytelling, sort of like how it would be if you were put inside a movie and asked to direct it. It is FUN in its own right. But DA franchise should do its own thing. Not become more like ME which doesn't fit in any way to it.

[lobi]

Good captains dont jump fifteen feet horizontally and twelve feet vertically when they want to stab someone.

Modifié par lobi, 18 juillet 2011 - 08:56 .

[TEWR]

First: lol


second: You can jump fifteen feet horizontally, so long as you build momentum and aren't weighed down by anything. Something that is true for Isabela, as she's wearing light clothing and is an expert with daggers. Also, it's more like 10 feet tops that she actually jumps horizontally.


12 feet is overexaggerating the over-the-top jumping she did do. I'd say about 5-6 feet tops. It's still over the top though.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 juillet 2011 - 09:20 .

[alex90c]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

First: lol


second: You can jump fifteen feet horizontally, so long as you build momentum and aren't weighed down by anything. Something that is true for Isabela, as she's wearing light clothing and is an expert with daggers. Also, it's more like 10 feet tops that she actually jumps horizontally.


12 feet is overexaggerating the over-the-top jumping she did do. I'd say about 5-6 feet tops. It's still over the top though.

The fact that you are trying to justify the craptastic closing move nearly made a part of me die inside until you admitted it was over the top. I'm sure if you or I attempted to do the same thing we'd end up jumping about 2ft and then collapsing on the floor in a mess.

[TEWR]

alex90c wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

First: lol


second: You can jump fifteen feet horizontally, so long as you build momentum and aren't weighed down by anything. Something that is true for Isabela, as she's wearing light clothing and is an expert with daggers. Also, it's more like 10 feet tops that she actually jumps horizontally.


12 feet is overexaggerating the over-the-top jumping she did do. I'd say about 5-6 feet tops. It's still over the top though.

The fact that you are trying to justify the craptastic closing move nearly made a part of me die inside until you admitted it was over the top. I'm sure if you or I attempted to do the same thing we'd end up jumping about 2ft and then collapsing on the floor in a mess.

What jumping 10 feet across a distance? I've done that before.


Jumping 6 feet up in the air I haven't seen anyone do.


Wait.... how high can basketball players jump? Because if they can jump more than 4 feet, than maybe it's not as OTT as people think. I'm not sure though, so that's why I'm asking.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 juillet 2011 - 09:45 .

[lobi]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

alex90c wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

First: lol


second: You can jump fifteen feet horizontally, so long as you build momentum and aren't weighed down by anything. Something that is true for Isabela, as she's wearing light clothing and is an expert with daggers. Also, it's more like 10 feet tops that she actually jumps horizontally.


12 feet is overexaggerating the over-the-top jumping she did do. I'd say about 5-6 feet tops. It's still over the top though.

The fact that you are trying to justify the craptastic closing move nearly made a part of me die inside until you admitted it was over the top. I'm sure if you or I attempted to do the same thing we'd end up jumping about 2ft and then collapsing on the floor in a mess.

What jumping 10 feet across a distance? I've done that before.


Jumping 6 feet up in the air I haven't seen anyone do.


Wait.... how high can basketball players jump? Because if they can jump more than 5 feet, than maybe it's not as OTT as people think. I'm not sure though, so that's why I'm asking.

I just keep wondering why the bad guys dont just hold out their sword so she lands on it, or just put an arrow in her. Hang time should equal fatality. And how does she move thru dirt faster than a Dwarf?

Modifié par lobi, 18 juillet 2011 - 09:46 .

[TEWR]

enemy AI sucks in both games.

I admit it's not realistic in terms of combat unless you're surprising the enemy from behind, but honestly it's not the worst thing in the world.

The enemies can survive fireballs, lightning, being frozen instantaneously (which would kill you immediately). The party can survive dragons going all OM NOM NOM on them, having fire breathed on them, etc..

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 juillet 2011 - 09:49 .

[lobi]

I like fantasy in a fantasy game. Including overly hardy chars or an ability like magic or weapons skill, but I still like a little realism in body movement and weight when asked to consider the char is Human, otherwise my immersion suffers

Modifié par lobi, 18 juillet 2011 - 10:05 .

[KotorEffect3]

Yuqi wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

Learn to spell, kid.  With your serious lack of english skills; you shouldn't even be playing the game.

So instead of saying why you disagree with the OP you insult the OP.  Very mature.

[bEVEsthda]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

...and she's the same in DA2 on all of those accounts...

1. She has two arms
2. She has five fingers on each hand
3. ...

[Medhia Nox]

@Yuqi:

Shouldn't it be "serious lack of English skills"?

Also, I'm fairly certain that you did not use the semicolon correctly. A semicolon links two independent clauses without a coordinating conjunction. "With your serious lack of English skills;" is a dependent clause.

[alex90c]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

alex90c wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

First: lol


second: You can jump fifteen feet horizontally, so long as you build momentum and aren't weighed down by anything. Something that is true for Isabela, as she's wearing light clothing and is an expert with daggers. Also, it's more like 10 feet tops that she actually jumps horizontally.


12 feet is overexaggerating the over-the-top jumping she did do. I'd say about 5-6 feet tops. It's still over the top though.

The fact that you are trying to justify the craptastic closing move nearly made a part of me die inside until you admitted it was over the top. I'm sure if you or I attempted to do the same thing we'd end up jumping about 2ft and then collapsing on the floor in a mess.

What jumping 10 feet across a distance? I've done that before.


Jumping 6 feet up in the air I haven't seen anyone do.


Wait.... how high can basketball players jump? Because if they can jump more than 4 feet, than maybe it's not as OTT as people think. I'm not sure though, so that's why I'm asking.

Jumping 6 feet in the air and across 10 feet in distance while clutching two daggers in perhaps the least aerodynamic stance ever just isn't possible.

Dragons, elves, dwarves, magic and all the other fancy stuff I can put up with (in fact I like it), but when characters just jump around unnaturally (especially when enemies don't do the same) it really hurts immersion for me.

[Medhia Nox]

Elves (or any fantasy race) - aren't uniquely "fantasy" as they could just be an evolved species. ((see Vulcans))

Magic isn't uniquely fantasy either. Psychic powers have been present in much of science fiction - and there are the slightest hints that this stuff might not be SO far fetched even in our real world. (See Through the Wormhole - Episode "Do you have a Sixth Sense"). Plus - an technology sufficiently advanced enough will seem like "magic" to the ignorant - that's a fairly common axiom of sci-fi.

Magics greatest flaw in fantasy is that writers are so outrageously lazy - that "a wizard did it" - is just a hand wave for poor writing.

===

As for defeating the laws of physics as we know them.

Unless the fantasy/sci-fi environment already states that these laws can be broken - and the breaker of such laws submits to the conditions by which these laws might be broken (no matter how simple, from "Everyone can do it." to "You must be THIS powerful to defy physics.") - the writing is hackneyed and lazy if it breaks natural laws on a whim.

This is the "immersion" and "realism" people are talking about - and it's a fairly simple concept in all writing, not just sci-fi/fantasy. Consistency allows your audience to relate.

Magic (especially by means of defying natural laws by using natural means - like, your legs) should not be a lazy writers way of adding random crap to their story.

[Siven80]

While i respect the OPs opinion i dont totally agree with it.

While DA2 had many gameplay improvements over DAO, i found the art style and the pacing and detailing of the story to be subpar compared to DAO.

Both DA games have good and bad points and neither are perfect, and while i dotn think DA2 is better than DAO i also dont think its a bad as many forum goers make it out to be.

[Dubya75]

It's probably been said a million times, but in many ways yes, DA2 was better than Origins. But in an equal number of other ways, it was much worse.

Fix recycled areas (all of them!)

Give us some proper achievements

Add more content - meaningful content

Do this and DA2 will be a much better game than Origins.

[macrocarl]

I loved DA2 more than DAO overall..... DA2's story got a wee too dark at times for me, but overall mechanics, slimmed down number crunching etc. was way less opaque. I play on consoles. I fix PC's all day.

[Tubercle]

Both are great games with flaws. DA2 just suffers from insufficient polish. Kudos to developers for trying out something new i.e. voiced main character, story progression over time (could have been expanded better), battle mechanics, and level up skills trees.
Comparing the story to Origins is just wrong since DA2 has a completely different approach for the story (you are no longer saving the world for once ). Personally, it is a fresh change plus the developers did mention that it is about how events in the world are changing due to your actions.
Inventory got a bit too simplified with tonnes of useless junk but its a work in progress/lesson for next game (hopefully).
Real issues were the recycled environment and the bugs for quests. That was really the weakest and most glaring flaw. DA2 is what it is, could have been so much better but we are confident that Bioware will learn from their mistakes. Good luck for the next attempt!

[Eurhetemec]

There are a lot of ludicrous claims on these boards, and in this very thread - particularly the unsupportable and silly suggestion that "most" or "virtually all" DA players dislike DA2 - even on this forum, the most poisonous well of DA2-hate on the entire internet, polls make it 50/50 as to which is preferred - I'd have expected 90% DA:O preferred from the posts here!.

HOWEVER, having played both recently, despite being very impressed with a lot of the changes in DA2, I have to say, I do not think DA2 was a "better game", overall. I think that would be very hard to argue.

DA:O has a stronger atmosphere, a stronger story, more of a sense of an epic story, harder moral decisions, and ironically, despite having a "railroad" plot, seems less "railroad-y". I'd actually forgotten how many times in DA2 Hawke is presented with an obvious opportunity to stop something bad before it gets worse, yet isn't allowed to be the plot in a very heavy handed way. Sister Petrice is a good example, is the body parts guy. Tons of other stuff in DA2 is poorly introduced and really comes out of nowhere

In combat, DA2 flows more smoothly, makes more sense, and has way few obscure and poorly-explained mechanism that you're expected to understand. Yet it's often a bit un-fun, because all the enemies kind of break down into a few types, with no real difference in play between them - whereas in DA:O, most enemies felt more specific.

I guess what's sad for me is that with the improvements to combat, I don't think it was necessary to simplify enemies to such an extreme degree that it barely mattered whether a mage was a Sarebaas, Arcane Undead Guy, Tevinter Blood Mage - you could guarantee that in all cases, he was going to teleport, use an AE that would kill in about three seconds if you didn't get out of it, and throw bolts that knock you back, and all but the Arcane Undead shielded up regularly in a very irritating way.

I could go on.

The TLDR is that whilst DA2 has tons of improvements that people like to pretend aren't, and people on this board say they hate it more than is representative of the actual gaming public, I can't agree that it was better, overall, than DA:O. Better in parts, sure. A hell of lot funnier. Definitely.

PS - to Yuqi, I just want to say that I love it when people who have poor English skills despite being primary English speakers insult secondary English speakers for the same. It's hilarious. I mean, seriously dude, you just insulted a guy for bad English whilst making totally incorrect and unnecessary use of a semi-colon and using poor grammar generally. You also failed to capitalize a proper noun. Mages in glass houses shouldn't throw fireballs.

[Haexpane]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different, ?

Yep you are correct, everyone hates everything different.  That's why I'm still wearing the same diaper as I had on as a 2 year old.  I don't like anything different?

Please try harder

[Realmzmaster]

@OP, Every one is entitled to his/her opinion. Like any product there will be those who love it , those who like it, those who think its OK, those who dislike it and those who hate it. You like DA2, but do not expect everyone to share your opinion. What you can do is state why you like or love it.

But when you ask a question like Why do you hate it? or DA2 is better, I think people hate DA2 because its different? you cannot be surprised at the answers.

If English is not your first language and even if it is your first language one needs to stop and think about what he/she is writing before it is set in stone on the forum.

[FieryDove]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Thx for writing back,im sorry for my bad english.I see and respect the opinion of most people here.I just hate when people compare it to Origins.DA2 is a Great game and origins is a great game,but they are different.I think only the people who expected a clone as origins were dissapointed in DA 2.For me its a great experience,both games

Well you listed one reason you like da2 more- But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella. That is thought provoking, and you are entitled to that. Maybe many people prefer DAO because it had Morrigan in it. That is reasonable also in this chain of thought.

Now granted some might have wanted DAO:2, or some expected a bit of old with new. But it seems we mostly got new, and its still after all this time open for debate if that was good or not.

I happened to like da2 but have such a huge laundry list of things I do not like one might think I hate it. But saying I hate it because I don't like/can't wrap my head around  new things/change/innovations, or a game that is not dao:2 is pushing it to absurd. (that goes to PR speak not just the OP)

[iggy4566]

So much arguing.

[lobi]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

This person is the devil, the Devil i tell you!