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[MonkeyLungs]

Plus I'm really biased because I like Origins so much more. this definitely influences my posts and what kind of data I look for. My agenda is obvious: I want DA3 to be more like DA:O.

It still seems intriguing to me that DA:O outranks its sequel on Amazon.com. I haven't ever seen a game do that before.

Oh and those rankings that I list are updated hourly based on totals sales through Amazon.com.

[InfinitePaths]

Stop the hate plz,we all have our opinon plz dont argue so much.

[happy_daiz]

Nice paragon interrupt! :-)

[macrocarl]

happy_daiz wrote...

Nice paragon interrupt! :-)

[MonkeyLungs]

Who's hating? I'm refuting the OP who thinks DA2 is better than Origins. I don't hate anyone on BSN. We all like games, and Bioware games, so we start from a good common ground. We don't have to agree and despite the opinions of the easily offended arguing is just fine and leads to discovery and forces people to think about other points of view. Some of my favorite discussions are heated arguments because the real deal starts to unfold as people say what they really mean and I learn a lot from that kind of exchange.

[Mr_Steph]

 I think DA2 was a decent game, but DAO was better in many ways...there's only 2 things I liked more in DA2 and one of them sort of even remove one of the things I love about DAO. The R key function and the faster combat.

[Yrkoon]

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Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:39 .

[InfinitePaths]

MonekyLungs youre not offending but some are...BTW i like isabella not becouse of big rack but beacouse her personality(Some people wrote that i think different).

[Firky]

^ I hardly spoke to Isabela first time through - for various spoilery reasons. But, second time, I've build my party around her, just because her banter is amazing. She's now my favourite companion.

(And I'm a chick, so boobs aren't that big a deal for me.)

[dsl08002]

There is only one word for DA2 and it is

NOT!!

[Gotholhorakh]

Eurhetemec wrote...
What people conveniently forget, though, is that the same is true of DA:O. Terrible tooltips, poor lighting in many
*snip catalogue of things DA:O is supposed to have done wrong*

I see it as the opposite: what people conveniently cook up, is lists as long as your arm of things that made DA:O terrible, and supposedly make DA2 look good.

DA:O was a masterpiece of a game which people loved, and no amount of bludgeoning, handwaving or retconning will ever make it look so mediocre (or even bad) that DA2 benefits from a comparison.

I mean I appreciate that some people enjoyed DA2, and fair play to them, but please! Come on, let's not kid ourselves.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:11 .

[happy_daiz]

Opinions are like testicles. You kick them hard enough, doesn't matter how many you got.  

[Sylvianus]

What is impressive is that despite all the dragon age origins's faults, defects (especially the graphics my god) dao is still seen as an incredible thing.

Ask yourself why, rather than blame the players who didn't like DA2.

It is clear that the " opinions " are not everything. DAO wouldn't have been so successful otherwise.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:18 .

[Wusword77]

Sylvianus wrote...

What is impressive is that despite all the dragon age origins's faults, defects (especially the graphics my god) dao is still seen as an incredible thing.

Ask yourself why, rather than blame the players who didn't like DA2.

It is clear that the " opinions " are not everything. DAO wouldn't have been so successful otherwise.

It is amazing what can happen when you market a game correctly   Calling a game the "spiritual successor" to a beloved genre classic can do wonders for a games reception.  Especially when the rosey tint of nostalgia helps out.

[Gotholhorakh]

Wusword77 wrote... happen when you market a game correctly   Calling a game the "spiritual successor" to a beloved genre classic can do wonders for a games reception.  Especially when the rosey tint of nostalgia helps out.

OK, but just to ask a small question here, I see here and in other places where we discuss DA, people mentioning their Origins replays.

How can I interpret this as the result of marketing spin?

I mean also, it's been a while since the game came out and we have a sequel which has also been marketed at least to the same fans.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 juillet 2011 - 08:58 .

[Yrkoon]

Wusword77 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

What is impressive is that despite all the dragon age origins's faults, defects (especially the graphics my god) dao is still seen as an incredible thing.

Ask yourself why, rather than blame the players who didn't like DA2.

It is clear that the " opinions " are not everything. DAO wouldn't have been so successful otherwise.

It is amazing what can happen when you market a game correctly   Calling a game the "spiritual successor" to a beloved genre classic can do wonders for a games reception.  Especially when the rosey tint of nostalgia helps out.

I think  you're grossly underestimating the RPG fanbase.   Our Glasses are pretty darn rosy, and our Nostalgia approaches religious - to the point that we'll zealously hate on any  game  today that  arrogantly deigns  to compare itself with the BG series, unless it's very much an accurate comparison.  And that.... is a tall order.    The game has to be long, and rich,  and story heavy  and so engrossing that you find yourself skipping work and school a few times during your first and second playthrough.

The fact of the matter is that  Bioware deciding to market DA:O as a spritual successor to Baldurs Gate  was an insanely risky marketing move on  their  part, because it raised the bar of expectation to almost unreachable levels.    They were flat out setting themselves up for failure and all the nerd-rage that goes along with it.   Luckily for them though, DA:O managed to acquit the hype.... it was THAT good.  As a die-hard fan of both games, I still don't see the spiritual  resemblance, to be honest, but I give DA:O accolades for  being  such an awesome throwback to the old days

Modifié par Yrkoon, 21 juillet 2011 - 10:48 .

[vallore]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

 DA 2 is better,i think people hate DA 2 just beacouse its different,you need to except the changes.Origins was an epic game.DA 2 isn't,its better,its not so epic but its personal,emotional and much great other things.If you exept that DA 2 is not meant to be a clone of origins,but something unique and great,youl see that DA2 is great and different from origins.I love both games, 10/10 for both games.But i like 2 a little bit more cuz of isabella :DDD.Why do some of you hate the story,compainons and the advanture of DA 2.I understand repetable enviroment and enemies appearing out of thin air.But if you ignore that the game has Epic sountrack,Awesome companions...Why do you hate  it?

Let me say that if you like it that much, than that’s great for you. However your conclusions about the reasons others didn’t like it seem quite wrong to me.

First, “hate” is a far too strong a word; I doubt you will encounter many persons actually “hating” a game, no matter how much they dislike it or not. (I personally just feel disappointed).

Second more importantly; I very much doubt they dislike it just because it is different from Origins; it is far more logical to assume they didn’t enjoy some, or most, of the changes, simply because those changes weren’t fun for them; didn’t make the game more enjoyable and chances are some of these changes actually made it less enjoyable for them.

Note also that, preferences aren’t universal, and in this regard DA2 feels less accommodating to different preferences than Origins.

Third, I would point out that the game was considerably less polished than Origins; including the story. I often found myself wondering what Hawke was supposed to say next, as the paraphrases were particularly not helpful in this game; or find that the game expected us o follow in a particular plot track, despite the fact other possibilities that weren’t considered were, at least as
logical options.

[Dragoonlordz]

DAO is a better game (imho), end of story. ("\\( )/")

[MonkeyLungs]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

MonekyLungs youre not offending but some are...BTW i like isabella not becouse of big rack but beacouse her personality(Some people wrote that i think different).

I just wish Isabella would have had a slightly more athletic build and wear some pants into battle. It just seemed so juvenile to me to give her massive boob and butt implants and make her run around with no pants. She did however, have some good dialogue and her character coulc develop in interesting ways. I liked her I just think they went over the top on the design.

Aveline is the sexiest companion simply because she is not oversexualized.

[Wusword77]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

OK, but just to ask a small question here, I see here and in other places where we discuss DA, people mentioning their Origins replays.

How can I interpret this as the result of marketing spin?

I mean also, it's been a while since the game came out and we have a sequel which has also been marketed at least to the same fans.

All Bioware talked about when they were leading up to the launch of DA:O was how this game was going to be a throw back to the days of BG, which came out years ago and we hadn't seen a big game like it since.  When the game comes out it's just similar enough to BG that people get a nostalgia tinit on their vision to mask flaws within the game.

Don't misunderstand me I'm not saying that DA:O was bad, just that people gloss over flaws in the game (and similar ones to what they say are in DA2) and the only logical reason I can see is because the game is a throwback to an older style game that we don't see anymore.

Yrkoon wrote...
The fact of the matter is that  Bioware deciding to market DA:O as a spritual successor to Baldurs Gate  was an insanely risky marketing move on  their  part, because it raised the bar of expectation to almost unreachable levels.    They were flat out setting themselves up for failure and all the nerd-rage that goes along with it.   Luckily for them though, DA:O managed to acquit the hype.... it was THAT good.  As a die-hard fan of both games, I still don't see the spiritual  resemblance, to be honest, but I give DA:O accolades for  being  such an awesome throwback to the old days

You don't see the spiritual resemblance but give DA:O accolades for being such an awsome throwback to the old days?  That is a text book case of a game being a spiritual successor to another.

Just to be clear, because I know I'm going to be harped on for this, I don't think that DA:O was a bad game.  I feel that many people gloss over it's flaws because the game is a throwback to an older style of gaming.

[Dragoonlordz]

Aveline was very unattractive, her physique and her attitude all put me off even her attire.

[Kail Ashton]

Neither game is great, one certinly isn't better than the other

As i've said, for everything Origins did right DA2 screwed up and for everything Origins did wrong DA2 did right

it's almost hillarious how tunnel visioned bioware is on fixing certin problems while completely ignore'n everything that made the last game great, to bad it was $60 comedy routine

3rd times the charm hopefully and bioware can actually take everything origins & DA2 did right and combine into a game that actually elevates the series out of the generic bin like it deserves, Legacy will be a good example of how well bioware has learned, so hope for the best

[Lord Nikon 001]

Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age: Awakenings
Dragon Age II

[Chromie]

Lord Nikon 001 wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age: Awakenings
Dragon Age II 

Fix'd

[Gotholhorakh]

Wusword77 wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

OK, but just to ask a small question here, I see here and in other places where we discuss DA, people mentioning their Origins replays.

How can I interpret this as the result of marketing spin?

I mean also, it's been a while since the game came out and we have a sequel which has also been marketed at least to the same fans.

All Bioware talked about when they were leading up to the launch of DA:O was how this game was going to be a throw back to the days of BG, which came out years ago and we hadn't seen a big game like it since.  When the game comes out it's just similar enough to BG that people get a nostalgia tinit on their vision to mask flaws within the game.

Don't misunderstand me I'm not saying that DA:O was bad, just that people gloss over flaws in the game (and similar ones to what they say are in DA2) and the only logical reason I can see is because the game is a throwback to an older style game that we don't see anymore.

Well. I think it probably boils down to something even simpler than that - something I've seen articulated here and there among the complaints about DA2, too - people are a lot more ready to forgive any number of flaws if the overall experience for them is great fun.

Since it seems to amount to what each of us thinks it is, I guess we don't really know, but I do get a deeply good vibe from the enormous number of people I've seen speaking about 2, 3, play-throughs of DA:O and in the case of the lunatic fringe, even more.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 juillet 2011 - 06:06 .