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[didymos1120]

Nashiktal wrote...


The Asari way of mating is everything but asexual.

No, it is.  The confusion comes from people conflating two different senses of the term. Yeah, they do engage in sexual activity, but it's their mode of reproduction to which the term "asexual" applies: no genetic material is exchanged.

[EternalPink]

didymos1120 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...


The Asari way of mating is everything but asexual.

No, it is.  The confusion comes from people conflating two different senses of the term. Yeah, they do engage in sexual activity, but it's their mode of reproduction to which the term "asexual" applies: no genetic material is exchanged.

Asexual is reproduction that doesn't require another member of the species (i.e a partner), Asari require a "father" for the randomisation part of reproduction so while genetics arent exchanged the fact that they need a partner would mean that they don't reproduce asexually

[King Minos]

Shadowsplicer, it isn't possible, genetic material is not being passed on so that love child will never be yours, aleast in biological terms. I admit I have a ulterior motive, this thread was suppose to hurt the liara fans. All I know that somewhere around the planet, have read this thread and it hurt them. But I am sure the writers will create a loophole that Shepard will actually be the biological parent just to keep the fans quiet. But yeah the father is and will never be the biological parent.

[MoogleNut]

King Minos wrote...

Shadowsplicer, it isn't possible, genetic material is not being passed on so that love child will never be yours, aleast in biological terms. I admit I have a ulterior motive, this thread was suppose to hurt the liara fans. All I know that somewhere around the planet, have read this thread and it hurt them. But I am sure the writers will create a loophole that Shepard will actually be the biological parent just to keep the fans quiet. But yeah the father is and will never be the biological parent.

Must be a kick in the quad then when your attempt at trolling invokes actual discusion/speculation then

[didymos1120]

ElitePinecone wrote...
From the wiki: " [The mind meld] allows the asari to explore her partner's genetic heritage and pass desirable traits on to any offspring. During mating an asari and her partner share memories, thoughts, and feelings."

I wouldn't rely on the wiki's take there.  That, quite frankly, is just guesswork that isn't supported by in-game or other canon material.  And even with the in-game stuff, you have to be careful to distinguish between what the asari believe about themselves and what's actually going on.  They made something of a point of this in ME2, with various characters commenting on how, in-universe, scientists don't give any credence to popular asari notions of actually taking traits from the other "parent", but it's been alluded to since ME1 (the codex on asari biology, for instance: "Asari believe that their offspring acquire the best qualities of the "father" from the melded genes, but evidence is anecdotal").

[Dariustwinblade]

Does it matter Shepard can have normal Physical Sex with Liara. See pre-Illos scene Laira gets naked and does it with Shepard even saying "that was amazing Shepard". So yeah Asari can have normal sex along with "sex through the force".

And Liara prefers physical interacourse.

[EternalPink]

didymos1120 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
From the wiki: " [The mind meld] allows the asari to explore her partner's genetic heritage and pass desirable traits on to any offspring. During mating an asari and her partner share memories, thoughts, and feelings."

I wouldn't rely on the wiki's take there.  That, quite frankly, is just guesswork that isn't supported by in-game or other canon material.  And even with the in-game stuff, you have to be careful to distinguish between what the asari believe about themselves and what's actually going on.  They made something of a point of this in ME2, with various characters commenting on how, in-universe, scientists don't give any credence to popular asari notions of actually taking traits from the other "parent", but it's been alluded to since ME1 (the codex on asari biology, for instance: "Asari believe that their offspring acquire the best qualities of the "father" from the melded genes, but evidence is anecdotal").

Doesnt that asari on illium we have to convince not to dissect all the people of zhu's hope make a point of saying how they could just use a electric charge for the randomisation? although that could have just been her rage talking rather than based in asari science/biology

[King Minos]

Moogienut, I would not say this is a troll thread, I was curious myself. But I always see liara fans go on about 'little blue children' so actually I am being a realist and proving a point.

[didymos1120]

EternalPink wrote...

Asexual is reproduction that doesn't require another member of the species (i.e a partner)...

No, that's not how it's defined.  It explicitly requires an exchange and mixing of genetic material from the two different individuals. There are in fact real world organisms that reproduce asexually and yet still engage in mating behaviors.

[Han Shot First]

King Minos wrote...

Shadowsplicer, it isn't possible, genetic material is not being passed on so that love child will never be yours, aleast in biological terms. I admit I have a ulterior motive, this thread was suppose to hurt the liara fans. All I know that somewhere around the planet, have read this thread and it hurt them. But I am sure the writers will create a loophole that Shepard will actually be the biological parent just to keep the fans quiet. But yeah the father is and will never be the biological parent.

If the intention of the thread was to troll Liara fans, I think you've ventured into Epic Fail territory.

If you went into the Liara fan thread and asked if Liara could have a baby with Shepard that also had his DNA, the vast majority would tell you no. Her fans are aware that Asari/human couplings can only produce children that are 100% Asari, and as far as I know there hasn't been a clamour among those fans for Bioware to change that.

Creepy baby demands were more a hallmark of the old Tali fan thread, where unfortunately some people were unaware that unrelated species can't mate and produce offspring.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:31 .

[MoogleNut]

King Minos wrote...
I admit I have a ulterior motive, this thread was suppose to hurt the liara fans. All I know that somewhere around the planet, have read this thread and it hurt them..

...so not trying to deliberately provoke then?

[King Minos]

I hope I did irk some liara fans in the process though, would be amazing if I caused uproar in the liara fanbase, but like I said I was curious myself. I hope I crushed a few hopes.

[EternalPink]

didymos1120 wrote...

EternalPink wrote...

Asexual is reproduction that doesn't require another member of the species (i.e a partner)...

No, that's not how it's defined.  It explicitly requires an exchange and mixing of genetic material from the two different individuals. There are in fact real world organisms that reproduce asexually and yet still engage in mating behaviors.

And my two seconds on wiki has produced

"Asexual reproduction is a mode of reproduction by which offspring arise from a single parent, and inherit the genes of that parent only, it is reproduction which does not involve meiosis, ploidy reduction, or fertilization"

If we lock a asari in a room on there own, when we come back will there be 3 of them?

Whether you consider the father to be the fertilization part or whatever i'm taking the part that they can not reproduce without a partner to mean it's not asexual.

You on the other hand are saying that because genetic material isn't exchanged it is asexual but this ignores that they can not reproduce on there own.

[King Minos]

I will say it again, I was curious and wanted to clear it up for myself, not a deliberate troll thread. Just trying to be realistic here that's all. I am like that and I will nitpick and give logical reasons.

[lietk12]

King Minos wrote...

I hope I crushed a few hopes.

You're so cool.

Modifié par lietk12, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:35 .

[ShadowSplicer]

King Minos wrote...

I hope I did irk some liara fans in the process though, would be amazing if I caused uproar in the liara fanbase, but like I said I was curious myself. I hope I crushed a few hopes.

Nah, you mainly just showed yourself to be the materialistic troll you are.

[GodWood]

If you want to annoy [some] Liara fans talk about all the partners she's going to have after Shepard

[Han Shot First]

King Minos wrote...

I hope I did irk some liara fans in the process though, would be amazing if I caused uproar in the liara fanbase, but like I said I was curious myself. I hope I crushed a few hopes.

I get in all the fan threads from time to time although I lurk a lot more often than post.

But whenever the discussion of 'little blue babies' has come up in the Liara thread, it ended with several people explaining to one confused person, that the offspring would be 100% Asari. So, the vast majority of Liara's fans are aware that Shepard couldn't have any biological children with Liara, and as far as I know they haven't been demanding it.

So like Don Quixote, I think you are tilting at windmills.

[King Minos]

Sorry if I caused any upsetting, just my type of humour I guess, I will do the same to religious folks and try explain evolution. I believe in science and not fantasy or religion. Not calling religion a fantasy by the way.

[ShadowSplicer]

GodWood wrote...

If you want to annoy [some] Liara fans talk about all the partners she's going to have after Shepard

I doubt it, she went pretty insane after Shepard died, and remained loyal even with Feron there. I think she won't be able to let Shepard go like that, even after his death. She keeps saying how Asari must look at their relationships differently, and then she totally goes against that ideal when she strives so hard to bring him back. I love how we're still posting here.

[GodWood]

ShadowSplicer wrote...

GodWood wrote...
If you want to annoy [some] Liara fans talk about all the partners she's going to have after Shepard

I doubt it, she went pretty insane after Shepard died, and remained loyal even with Feron there. I think she won't be able to let Shepard go like that, even after his death. She keeps saying how Asari must look at their relationships differently, and then she totally goes against that ideal when she strives so hard to bring him back. I love how we're still posting here.

"Denial. It ain't just a river in Egypt."

Come on bro, she's not going to stay chaste for 700+ years.

Let her have her hot elcor sex.

[Nashiktal]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Does it matter Shepard can have normal Physical Sex with Liara. See pre-Illos scene Laira gets naked and does it with Shepard even saying "that was amazing Shepard". So yeah Asari can have normal sex along with "sex through the force".

And Liara prefers physical interacourse.

That doesn't indicate anything. Apparently mind melding is a very intense process, even without sexual overtone. She could be indicating that mind melding with shep was amazing. It doesn't make sense that a species that reproduces through mental contact would evolve physical erogenous zones.

Hell that sex you saw in me 1? You see blurry ass and a lot of snuggilng. Wouldn't constitute that as sex.

[Han Shot First]

ShadowSplicer wrote...

GodWood wrote...

If you want to annoy [some] Liara fans talk about all the partners she's going to have after Shepard

I doubt it, she went pretty insane after Shepard died, and remained loyal even with Feron there. I think she won't be able to let Shepard go like that, even after his death. She keeps saying how Asari must look at their relationships differently, and then she totally goes against that ideal when she strives so hard to bring him back. I love how we're still posting here.

Liara is a very young member of a species that lives over a millenia.

Even if Shepard lives to 150, Liara probably outlives him by at least another 800 or 900 years.
 
It would pretty laughable if Bioware brought the character back in a game set a few centuries after Shepard's death, and Liara hadn't seen anyone else. Unless she joins the Asari equivalent of a nunnery she should see other people at some point after Shepard's passing, and should probably have other husbands or wives down the line.

That doesn't indicate anything. Apparently mind melding is a very intense process, even without sexual overtone. She could be indicating that mind melding with shep was amazing. It doesn't make sense that a species that reproduces through mental contact would evolve physical erogenous zones.

Hell that sex you saw in me 1? You see blurry ass and a lot of snuggilng. Wouldn't constitute that as sex.

Asari are capable of sex. It isn't just a mind meld.

Besides the cutscenes with Liara and the Asari consort, the books also suggest that the Asari are capable of physical sex. Grayson has it with his Asari lover, and the scene plays out just as it would have with two human characters.

Trying to explain the Asari with science is an excercise in futility. They were created with fan service in mind, not hard science. They allow the player to roleplay Captain Kirk and shag the green alien babe.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:54 .

[Nashiktal]

ShadowSplicer wrote...

GodWood wrote...

If you want to annoy [some] Liara fans talk about all the partners she's going to have after Shepard

I doubt it, she went pretty insane after Shepard died, and remained loyal even with Feron there. I think she won't be able to let Shepard go like that, even after his death. She keeps saying how Asari must look at their relationships differently, and then she totally goes against that ideal when she strives so hard to bring him back. I love how we're still posting here.

Really? Its hinted at pretty strongly that Liara was in some sort of romantic entanglement on her end with that drell in LotSB, in fact she says she will work towards it if shep doesn't romance Liara.