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[Avilia]

Oh! I think I get it (/doh) - the mother looks at the dna structure and moves her child's about a little? Interesting...

Sorry for the confusion on my part...I'll have more coffee now.

[didymos1120]

Avilia wrote...

Pardon the late question - iirc Liara tells Shepard that reproduction doesn't necessarily require physical contact. I'm assuming that she means the genetic material is taken through the mind meld?

There's no genetic material taken at all, regardless of physical contact being involved or not. All the DNA comes from the mother.

[didymos1120]

Avilia wrote...

Oh! I think I get it (/doh) - the mother looks at the dna structure and moves her child's about a little?

Uh, no.  It's just that the process of melding partially scrambles one copy of the mother's DNA.  There's nothing that suggests the mother has any conscious control over the "low-level" details.  In fact, the evidence we have about what meldings are like speak against the notion:  it's consistently spoken of as an intense sharing of impressions, images, thoughts, and feelings.  It's never spoken of as some sort of mental genetic scan with mommy asari manipulating some internal model of her genome or whatever.  If something like that were going on, the asari wouldn't use all that vague, quasi-spiritual language about melding and we wouldn't get comments about how scientists say that stuff is nonsense.

Not to mention the fact that alien genomes wouldn't be "asari-compatible".  It's not like lego, where you can take a brick from one set and a brick from another set and have them fit together just fine.  Especially not when you have species like the turians or volus who have very different biochemistries.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 juillet 2011 - 10:04 .

[EternalPink]

I suppose you could consider it a clone of the mother thats asari dna is mutated by exposure to energy produced during the mind meld process

would explain how its not a exact copy of the mother without any new genetic material

[Han Shot First]

EternalPink wrote...

I suppose you could consider it a clone of the mother thats asari dna is mutated by exposure to energy produced during the mind meld process

would explain how its not a exact copy of the mother without any new genetic material

It isn't a clone because a clone would be genetically identical to the mother. The randomization of genes during the mating process guarantees that the infant won't be a clone, even though it gets 100% of it's genetic material from the mother.

[EternalPink]

Han Shot First wrote...

EternalPink wrote...

I suppose you could consider it a clone of the mother thats asari dna is mutated by exposure to energy produced during the mind meld process

would explain how its not a exact copy of the mother without any new genetic material

It isn't a clone because a clone would be genetically identical to the mother. The randomization of genes during the mating process guarantees that the infant won't be a clone, even though it gets 100% of it's genetic material from the mother.

Yes i believe thats what i said, so unless ya nit picking my choice of the word clone, cheers for agreeing

[Nashiktal]

I usually attribute the bartender acting like a krogan, to the fact her father actually lived long enough to raise her as a father.

[Spectre 117]

King Minos wrote...

So the Asari on Illium says that genetic material is not taken but used as a map to mix it up. So if Liara and Shep have a child, Shepard is the father but not a biological parent, only Liara is. Is this correct? No matter what how many children she has, Shep is the 'father' but never the biological parent and the children only have one parent. Liara. So here comes another question, how would an Asari trace their heritage if one of their granparents was another species? They are not related at all. Can someone explain to me about this? It seems Shep will die childless with Liara.

To be fair Miranda can't give birth so if Shep stays with her he is going to die childless.And if he dies at the end of ME3 he will die childless regardless of who you "date".

[didymos1120]

Spectre 117 wrote...

To be fair Miranda can't give birth so if Shep stays with her he is going to die childless.

Uh, no.  You may want to recall how Miranda was conceived.  Which is to say, that she wasn't really conceived at all: she was a clone of her father with a second X chromosome cobbled together from his Y and some bits and pieces from various women.  So, no Miranda can't conceive a kid the old fashioned way, but so what?  Her and Shep can just have an embryo whipped up using half of her DNA and half of his using the same tech used to create both her and her sister.  And she may very well be capable of carrying the embryo to term herself.  The Shadow Broker dossier didn't specify what exactly the problem was or how extensively her reproductive system was affected.  Just that it prevented conception.

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 juillet 2011 - 04:51 .

[Spectre 117]

didymos1120 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

To be fair Miranda can't give birth so if Shep stays with her he is going to die childless.

Uh, no.  You may want to recall how Miranda was conceived.  Which is to say, that she wasn't really conceived at all: she was a clone of her father with a second X chromosome cobbled together from his Y and some bits and pieces from various women.  So, no Miranda can't conceive a kid the old fashioned way, but so what?  Her and Shep can just have an embryo whipped up using half of her DNA and half of his using the same tech used to create both her and her sister.  And she may very well be capable of carrying the embryo to term herself.  The Shadow Broker dossier didn't specify what exactly the problem was or how extensively her reproductive system was affected.  Just that it prevented conception.

My bad honestly I swear I seen that on the SB dossier she couldn't give birht.Of course it's been a while since I played ME2 so I need to check that up again,either way thanks for clarifying that up.

[Homey C-Dawg]

@OP

Lets face it, asari are a fan-service race. They were designed to appeal to geeks. Trying to figure out the details of their poetic yet nonsensical reproductive method will just make your head hurt.

That said, they don't make bad characters if you ignore the silliness of some of their lore. Never been a Liara fan, but I dig Aria.

[ME-ParaShep]

Juha81FIN wrote...

I simply believe that asari can decide when they become pregnant.

If that were to be true for humans, there'd be a whole lot of sexing going around.

[Spectre 117]

ME-ParaShep wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

I simply believe that asari can decide when they become pregnant.

If that were to be true for humans, there'd be a whole lot of sexing going around.

It is in videogames Heck in sims (first one)  the option pops up *Would you like a baby?* and then a magical baby pops up out of nowhere!If only reality was like that

[InvincibleHero]

Well if you look at the illium bartender she has scales because her father was krogan. If you look at the asari daughters with salarians they also have different marking on them. So something is passed on even if it isn't DNA directly.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:58 .

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Asari give birth to their daughters to the 300 years, it seems to me that in the codex is written well, I think Liara is too young, but the codex is written that may have daughters even before the 300 years.

[Nashiktal]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Well if you look at the illium bartender she has scales because her father was krogan. If you look at the asari daughters with slarians they also have iddferent marking on them. So something is passed on even if it isn't DNA directly.

Its not DNA directly, and the Asari do not get physical traits of their fathers. They just don't. 

You have to remember the galactic community has had thousands of years to determin this.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

the Asari from their partner take only a few genes to change traits, such as eye color, but the Asari have to have both chromosomes of the daughters, the partner is used to start the process of childbirth.

[SilentNukee]

Meh, hopefully it will get explained more so in ME3.
My Shepard will be a happy "mommy" no matter what.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:39 .

[Dia2blo]

Can I ask a question (which may sound really stupid)?

If the "father" doesn't actually provide anything genetically, then why are the asari so adamant about "mating" with other species? Just for their knowledge?

Also, how do the Ardat-Yakshi come about if "pure-bloods" are genetically no different to other asari?

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Dia2blo wrote...

Can I ask a question (which may sound really stupid)?

If the "father" doesn't actually provide anything genetically, then why are the asari so adamant about "mating" with other species? Just for their knowledge?

Also, how do the Ardat-Yakshi come about if "pure-bloods" are genetically no different to other asari?

The Yakshi-Ardat you only when the pregnant mother in a busy life, it rests on the go, remember what you said to Samara Shepard if he so Asari would be eliminated, it tells you Liara, before the discovery of The Citadel Asari had romantic relationships with each other, but there are still less frequent in the past

[SilentNukee]

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

Dia2blo wrote...

Can I ask a question (which may sound really stupid)?

If the "father" doesn't actually provide anything genetically, then why are the asari so adamant about "mating" with other species? Just for their knowledge?

Also, how do the Ardat-Yakshi come about if "pure-bloods" are genetically no different to other asari?

The Yakshi-Ardat you only when the pregnant mother in a busy life, it rests on the go, remember what you said to Samara Shepard if he so Asari would be eliminated, it tells you Liara, before the discovery of The Citadel Asari had romantic relationships with each other, but there are still less frequent in the past

What is this?...I don't even...

[Dia2blo]

^Yeah i'm sorry but I don't understand a word of that... O_o

[InvincibleHero]

Nashiktal wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Well if you look at the illium bartender she has scales because her father was krogan. If you look at the asari daughters with salarians they also have different marking on them. So something is passed on even if it isn't DNA directly.

Its not DNA directly, and the Asari do not get physical traits of their fathers. They just don't. 

You have to remember the galactic community has had thousands of years to determin this.

I did state it is not DNA directly. LOL.

Why don't you look? There are physical differences in the models of asari in the game. It is quite apparent to me what BW did. Tell me if you don't see fine scales on her neck and face.

Seems odd to claim randomize yet you see 3-4 models of asari and they coincide with the parent when it is expressly stated in game.

Obviously mating with more species adds more to the variation. Though it seems odd there would have been all these various asari in the past since they only draw on their own genetics. Not thought through logically in the writing.

[Praetor Knight]

FRANCESCO84Inn is a native Italian speaker...

[didymos1120]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Well if you look at the illium bartender she has scales because her father was krogan. If you look at the asari daughters with slarians they also have iddferent marking on them.

Basically all asari have markings of some sort, and the notion that they match the father species doesn't really hold up. It's not even clear whether they're cosmetics or not (at least some of them have to be, as they're way too regular).  And the "scales" aren't unique to Aethyta.  Many asari have scale-like patterns on the scalp and the back of the neck that have a range of "scaliness": Samara/Morinth, Nelyna and even Liara. All purebloods.

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 juillet 2011 - 06:03 .