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[Han Shot First]

KateKane wrote...

My big gripe is that they somehow have the numbers to be this much of a problem.

In a galactic civilization with trillions of citizens at war with Lovecraftian robot monsters from space, how are a few hundred members of the worst secret organization ever supposed to be a major threat?

This.

Cerberus is small scale. They are a small terrorist organization that doesn't have more than a few hundred agents, and at the end of Mass Effect: Retribution a lot of their cells were being elminated by the Turians. (thanks to Anderson)

[Kekkis]

pablodurando wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

I see this thread is full with Cerberus haters.

Shepard needs to be flying around galaxy trying to figure out how to beat Reapers and "I love Cerberus" T-shirt is not going to help, if you need to meet important people and to make allies. They are busy with Reapers, so Shepard needs to be someone important. Cerberus stuff could work if all you need is to recruit Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum.

Cerberus probably has the more information on the Reapers than any other organization or single person.  Would you prefer for Shepard to be fighting Reapers blindly with little information regarding them.

If small organization could get enough power to beat Reapers, they would have been killed millions of years ago. Even when Protheans learned how to make their own Mass Relay, their top secret research lab could only listen, when their entire race was destroyed. I´m still taking Vigils word, that only way to defeat Reapers is to unite galaxy and build biggest goddamn army, that those creatures have ever seen.

"Reapers are only machines and every machine can be broken." -Jane Shepard

[Clonedzero]

i dont see what makes aliens so interesting. the mere fact they're aliens? meh.

a shadow organization like cerberus is actually really interesting with all their wacked out experiments and questionable ethics.

like the quarians for example, i find them UTTERLY boring. if you focus on aliens then rather than having interesting developments you spend have the time simply explaining the culture, the biology ect. rather than core character, and plot development.

[Kaiser Shepard]

DPSSOC wrote...

How many Reaper plans have the other races foiled?

Two, last time I counted.

[pablodurando]

Kekkis wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

I see this thread is full with Cerberus haters.

Shepard needs to be flying around galaxy trying to figure out how to beat Reapers and "I love Cerberus" T-shirt is not going to help, if you need to meet important people and to make allies. They are busy with Reapers, so Shepard needs to be someone important. Cerberus stuff could work if all you need is to recruit Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum.

Cerberus probably has the more information on the Reapers than any other organization or single person.  Would you prefer for Shepard to be fighting Reapers blindly with little information regarding them.

If small organization could get enough power to beat Reapers, they would have been killed millions of years ago. Even when Protheans learned how to make their own Mass Relay, their top secret research lab could only listen, when their entire race was destroyed. I´m still taking Vigils word, that only way to defeat Reapers is to unite galaxy and build biggest goddamn army, that those creatures have ever seen.

"Reapers are only machines and every machine can be broken." -Jane Shepard

It doesn't change the fact that information from Cerberus expirements is critical in the quest to stop the Reapers.  Ceberus won't win the war by themselves, but their research will eventually help stop them.

I facepalmed at the quote.<_<

[DonDaMon]

makinv humanity the center of the universe is boring and lazy writing , im sure bioware can make better use of the universe they created
if they don't than what was the point of even establishing all this lore? all these aliens everyone only to have humans superior, look everywhere you go you'll notice humans out number every other race,
how is that possible ?
and cerberus , thats just getting out of hand ...

[alperez]

KateKane wrote...

My big gripe is that they somehow have the numbers to be this much of a problem.

In a galactic civilization with trillions of citizens at war with Lovecraftian robot monsters from space, how are a few hundred members of the worst secret organization ever supposed to be a major threat?

A few hundred well equipped, well trained and well motivated troops would be a huge threat to eveyrthing Sheaprd is doing. Quantity of numbers isn't the key its the quality of those numbers, its why in practically every military its not the large numbers on adequately trained grunts that are sent on the most important and most dangerous missions but the elite most highly trained troops, every military in the world uses these type forces to get the job done.

[Tasker]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

Mac Walters and his obsession with Cerberus.
I realy want to know how would ME3 be with Drew as lead writer.

Better, considering that Drew isn't a comic book writer. 

If what's been released so far is anything to go off, neither is Mac. 

[Clonedzero]

DonDaMon wrote...

makinv humanity the center of the universe is boring and lazy writing , im sure bioware can make better use of the universe they created
if they don't than what was the point of even establishing all this lore? all these aliens everyone only to have humans superior, look everywhere you go you'll notice humans out number every other race,
how is that possible ?
and cerberus , thats just getting out of hand ...

i guess someone COMPLETELY missed one of the major themes in ME1...

i'd respond more but well, you dont really seem to know what you're talking about so i dont really wanna waste my time

[KateKane]

alperez wrote...

KateKane wrote...

My big gripe is that they somehow have the numbers to be this much of a problem.

In a galactic civilization with trillions of citizens at war with Lovecraftian robot monsters from space, how are a few hundred members of the worst secret organization ever supposed to be a major threat?

A few hundred well equipped, well trained and well motivated troops would be a huge threat to eveyrthing Sheaprd is doing. Quantity of numbers isn't the key its the quality of those numbers, its why in practically every military its not the large numbers on adequately trained grunts that are sent on the most important and most dangerous missions but the elite most highly trained troops, every military in the world uses these type forces to get the job done.

"Well trained"? From what was shown in the first two games, Cerberus is mostly researchers and easily-killed grunts. Maybe if we'd been shown a single successful Cerberus operation, they'd be a more credible threat.

That one guy was right. They're basically Cobra to Shepard's G. I. Joe.

Modifié par KateKane, 17 juillet 2011 - 10:39 .

[tobynator89]

DonDaMon wrote...

makinv humanity the center of the universe is boring and lazy writing , im sure bioware can make better use of the universe they created
if they don't than what was the point of even establishing all this lore? all these aliens everyone only to have humans superior, look everywhere you go you'll notice humans out number every other race,
how is that possible ?
and cerberus , thats just getting out of hand ...

humanity is not the most populous race by far. Asari salarians and turians (and probably volus hanhar and elcor as well) have greater numbers. The youngest of the asari asari colonies (Illium) has a population of 80+ millions, the biggest human colony (terra nova) barely has 4 mill.

same goes for fleet numbers.

[Han Shot First]

alperez wrote...

KateKane wrote...

My big gripe is that they somehow have the numbers to be this much of a problem.

In a galactic civilization with trillions of citizens at war with Lovecraftian robot monsters from space, how are a few hundred members of the worst secret organization ever supposed to be a major threat?

A few hundred well equipped, well trained and well motivated troops would be a huge threat to eveyrthing Sheaprd is doing. Quantity of numbers isn't the key its the quality of those numbers, its why in practically every military its not the large numbers on adequately trained grunts that are sent on the most important and most dangerous missions but the elite most highly trained troops, every military in the world uses these type forces to get the job done.

Cerberus is a small organization of only a few hundred people (most of whom, wouldn't be 'grunts') and no fleet to speak of. How many dreadnoughts, carriers, or cruisers do they field?

The notion that they would be some sort of galaxy beating threat is kind of ridiculous.

[Iakus]

I seriously OD-ed on Cerberus with the last game.

I'm willing to tolerate them in ME3 cause it looks like I can finally kill them all

But don't askk me to read any more about them, I'm full.

[pablodurando]

KateKane wrote...

alperez wrote...

KateKane wrote...

My big gripe is that they somehow have the numbers to be this much of a problem.

In a galactic civilization with trillions of citizens at war with Lovecraftian robot monsters from space, how are a few hundred members of the worst secret organization ever supposed to be a major threat?

A few hundred well equipped, well trained and well motivated troops would be a huge threat to eveyrthing Sheaprd is doing. Quantity of numbers isn't the key its the quality of those numbers, its why in practically every military its not the large numbers on adequately trained grunts that are sent on the most important and most dangerous missions but the elite most highly trained troops, every military in the world uses these type forces to get the job done.

"Well trained"? From what was shown in the first two games, Cerberus is mostly researchers and easily-killed grunts. Maybe if we'd been shown a single successful Cerberus operation, they'd be a more credible threat.

That one guy was right. They're basically Cobra to Shepard's G. I. Joe.

Look in the LotSB dossier file of Cerberus.  They successfully assainated a pope and have significant influence in the government.  Every organization has soldiers/grunts, but Cerberus has some of the top agents in the galaxy.

[alperez]

DonDaMon wrote...

makinv humanity the center of the universe is boring and lazy writing , im sure bioware can make better use of the universe they created
if they don't than what was the point of even establishing all this lore? all these aliens everyone only to have humans superior, look everywhere you go you'll notice humans out number every other race,
how is that possible ?
and cerberus , thats just getting out of hand ...

In a story with a human protagonist not making humanity important overall would make even less sense. From the very beginning this story has been about Shepard, its shown that through Shepard's actions that humanity has a key place in this universe.

Its been about how you as Shepard use your actions for Humanities overall dominance or for the betterment of the universe as a whole, either way in a story like that its impossible not to show Humanity as better than everything else consideriing the fact that it is you a human that's shaping the universe how you see fit.

To show that in some greater context you have to have some counterpoint, which is where Cerberus come into the equation,whearas Shepard can be on board with human dominance or against it and more in line with bettering the universe for all races, cerberus have one goal only, complete human dominance so of course they have to play almost as big a role as Shepard does in the story.

[essarr71]

Considering Shep's past with Cerb, it makes sense to tie up those loose ends. We know the plot will be fueled by building a multi-species alliance to combat the Reapers.. not to combat Cerberus. Course, you could take the cerb is indoctrinated backstory at face value and see Cerb as just another arm of the Reapers, anyway. So yeah, think it's pretty silly to think ME3 will be Cerb centered.

Even sillier to complain about story content to a game that no one will play for another 8 months. Frankly, no one has any real idea of what's happening. All conjecture.

[Kekkis]

pablodurando wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

I see this thread is full with Cerberus haters.

Shepard needs to be flying around galaxy trying to figure out how to beat Reapers and "I love Cerberus" T-shirt is not going to help, if you need to meet important people and to make allies. They are busy with Reapers, so Shepard needs to be someone important. Cerberus stuff could work if all you need is to recruit Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum.

Cerberus probably has the more information on the Reapers than any other organization or single person.  Would you prefer for Shepard to be fighting Reapers blindly with little information regarding them.

If small organization could get enough power to beat Reapers, they would have been killed millions of years ago. Even when Protheans learned how to make their own Mass Relay, their top secret research lab could only listen, when their entire race was destroyed. I´m still taking Vigils word, that only way to defeat Reapers is to unite galaxy and build biggest goddamn army, that those creatures have ever seen.

"Reapers are only machines and every machine can be broken." -Jane Shepard

It doesn't change the fact that information from Cerberus expirements is critical in the quest to stop the Reapers.  Ceberus won't win the war by themselves, but their research will eventually help stop them.

I facepalmed at the quote.<_<

It was my Sheps personal opinion. You can disagree. I just can´t see how anyone would pay attention to some minor faction or member of it when whole galaxy is being annihilated.

[DonDaMon]

cerberus sub plots are getting old and dry
bioware needs to move on

[alperez]

Han Shot First wrote...


Cerberus is a small organization of only a few hundred people (most of whom, wouldn't be 'grunts') and no fleet to speak of. How many dreadnoughts, carriers, or cruisers do they field?

The notion that they would be some sort of galaxy beating threat is kind of ridiculous.

They are a threat to Shepard, therefore a threat to the galaxy. The simple facts are that they are out to kill Shepard which if they succeeded would be the end of everything considering it's going to be Shepard that unites the galaxy and beats the reapers. So they are in essence as big or a bigger threat to Shepard than the reapers considering they have one goal only, stop shepard.

[alperez]

DonDaMon wrote...

cerberus sub plots are getting old and dry
bioware needs to move on

Reapers sub plots are getting old and dry
bioware need to move on.

Seriously you argument is that by tying together plots they began in me1, fleshed out and added backstory to in me2 and in the comics/books that these plots are getting old and dry and bioware need to move on?

I'd advise you not to ever read something like Game of thrones or many other book series then as some of those plots take years to be realised.

[eye basher]

the illusive man will be the reason the reapers are defeted wait and see.

[DonDaMon]

theres a difference in adding back story to a certain sub plot, but cerberus shouldnt be that important in a universe with trillions of civilians. come on dawg making cerberus too important is laughable ..
think hard

[pablodurando]

eye basher wrote...

the illusive man will be the reason the reapers are defeted wait and see.

This would make for a great story.

[Clonedzero]

eye basher wrote...

the illusive man will be the reason the reapers are defeted wait and see.

i hope so, he's such a great character, easily one of my favorites in the series

[pablodurando]

DonDaMon wrote...

theres a difference in adding back story to a certain sub plot, but cerberus shouldnt be that important in a universe with trillions of civilians. come on dawg making cerberus too important is laughable ..
think hard

The reason that they're important is because they have known the Reaper threat for some time now and are the only organization taking action.  Trillions of people just happen to think Reapers are urban legends and aren't preparing for the worst.