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[sighineedname]

What's the point of ****ing about the story before you even know anything substantial?

[essarr71]

eye basher wrote...

the illusive man will be the reason the reapers are defeted wait and see.

Allowing TIM to live, after using some nasty sacrifice to defeat the Reapers, would be an excellent Para/Reg choice at the end.

Cors, I wouldn't want Cerb to swoop in to save the day, but if they're the ones who figure out the solution that'd be good drama.

[DonDaMon]

sighineedname

u mad bro ?

[KateKane]

pablodurando wrote...

DonDaMon wrote...

theres a difference in adding back story to a certain sub plot, but cerberus shouldnt be that important in a universe with trillions of civilians. come on dawg making cerberus too important is laughable ..
think hard

The reason that they're important is because they have known the Reaper threat for some time now and are the only organization taking action.  Trillions of people just happen to think Reapers are urban legends and aren't preparing for the worst.

Are you suggesting that Cerberus is the only group doing anything about the Reapers?
We've seen that the Alliance considers the threat real enough to warrent investigation, and if there aren't other groups doingthe same well then that's just bad writing.

[Han Shot First]

alperez wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...


Cerberus is a small organization of only a few hundred people (most of whom, wouldn't be 'grunts') and no fleet to speak of. How many dreadnoughts, carriers, or cruisers do they field?

The notion that they would be some sort of galaxy beating threat is kind of ridiculous.

They are a threat to Shepard, therefore a threat to the galaxy. The simple facts are that they are out to kill Shepard which if they succeeded would be the end of everything considering it's going to be Shepard that unites the galaxy and beats the reapers. So they are in essence as big or a bigger threat to Shepard than the reapers considering they have one goal only, stop shepard.

I won't have a problem with Cerberus being used as foes that are just interested in Shepard.

I'd just cry foul if they are used as the main foot soldier of the Reapers in their invasion of the galaxy. That would contradict previously established lore where they were a small organization.

[Kaiser Shepard]

eye basher wrote...

the illusive man will be the reason the reapers are defeted wait and see.

The current one or Shepard when he keeps what he killed?

[zweistein_J]

T3hAnubis wrote...

Shepard is a human.
Cerberus is a human organization.
The Mass Effect story is from the human perspective.

fail :lol:


the ME story is for Shepards story.
any points of views Shepards comes across is a piece of experience for the games.
there's no "human perspective" point of view.
its just what the writters want for Shepard's story to include.
the mass effect universe is far more vast than any of the stories these 3 games can cover up.
and thats the main reason we will be hoping to see more Mass Effect games later on.

Modifié par zweistein_J, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:09 .

[Tommy6860]

The biggest focus on Cerberus is in ME2 and even then the main focus is still the Reapers. They did revive Shep you know from the bigger threat. In ME, they were merely known as a pro-human terrorist type group (and still were in ME2 canon according to the Council), dealing with nefarious scientific experiments and stealing info and there were only a few missions that dealt with them. Cerberus fits in with ME2 since the Council all but abandoned the idea of the existence of the Reaper threat, so someone or some group powerful enough had to step into the mix to take that threat on. We don't know what will happen in ME3 with Cerberus, but I am thinking something will tie-in to the choice Shep made with the Collector base.

[pablodurando]

KateKane wrote...

pablodurando wrote...

DonDaMon wrote...

theres a difference in adding back story to a certain sub plot, but cerberus shouldnt be that important in a universe with trillions of civilians. come on dawg making cerberus too important is laughable ..
think hard

The reason that they're important is because they have known the Reaper threat for some time now and are the only organization taking action.  Trillions of people just happen to think Reapers are urban legends and aren't preparing for the worst.

Are you suggesting that Cerberus is the only group doing anything about the Reapers?
We've seen that the Alliance considers the threat real enough to warrent investigation, and if there aren't other groups doingthe same well then that's just bad writing.

There may well be other groups, but as far as we know Cerberus has studied the threat in more depth than any other organization.

[alperez]

DonDaMon wrote...

theres a difference in adding back story to a certain sub plot, but cerberus shouldnt be that important in a universe with trillions of civilians. come on dawg making cerberus too important is laughable ..
think hard

They've always been important though, it me1 we learned what kind of things cerberus did with no real understanding of their goals, we saw them take out an alliance admiral and hell in one of the possible backstories we could pick they were responisble for those events also.

In me2 we see them get fleshed out, they bring Shepard back from the dead and we work with them reluctantly in most cases but for some it was willingly, we learn more about thier structure, their goals, the fact that there's no lengths they won't go to to get something done.

Which leads nicely into me3 where we find they're trying to take Shepard out and are apparently working with the reapers.

We've been shown cerberus as an organisation with structure and means, an organsiation we may or may not agree with and who we may or may not think are a neccessary evil for this organisation to then turn on shepard and try to kill him/her it immediately creates serious key questions and a vaild threat other than the reapers themselves.

1. Why is cerberus doing what they're doing and are they working with or against us.

Finding the answers to this will go a large way to finding the answers to the reapers and it makes more sense that you make cerberus as important as they might be for so many reasons.

[Tonymac]

essarr71 wrote...

Considering Shep's past with Cerb, it makes sense to tie up those loose ends. We know the plot will be fueled by building a multi-species alliance to combat the Reapers.. not to combat Cerberus. Course, you could take the cerb is indoctrinated backstory at face value and see Cerb as just another arm of the Reapers, anyway. So yeah, think it's pretty silly to think ME3 will be Cerb centered.

Even sillier to complain about story content to a game that no one will play for another 8 months. Frankly, no one has any real idea of what's happening. All conjecture.

I agree.

Also, as we unite the Galaxy against the Reapers, we will need and want access to Reaper technology.  Guess who hates Shep, and has the greatest amount of Reaper tech?  Thats right!  Cerberus.

It is highly unlikely that Cerberus  has one facility site for all of its Reaper tech - they are a smart and diverse organization.  I can see several missions to break into Cerberus facilities to get intel.  I also see Cerberus 'reprisal raids' or them trying to capture or kill Shepard.  It is also possible that the Illusive Man gets indoctrinated - and then the Reapers use The Illusive Man and Cerberus rescources to get Shepard.

The Illusive Man has a large amount of cash and holdings that can be used to buy an impressive workforce and/or an army.  I would not put it beyond Cerberus to 'Indoctrinate' people using Reaper tech to build a large army quickly - they are a 'Results at all Costs'  kind of group.  The Illusive Man is the kind of person who will try to sacrafice the rest of the galaxy in order to save humanity.  This may well go against Shepards plans of unification - so Cerberus will try to eliminate him.

As far as all of this 'conjecture' goes - yeah....  the game is 8 months away.  I can see Cerberus being a major player.  Really, how many husk variants do you want to shoot?  Its not like you will be killing Reapers with SMGs and Warp.  There needs to be a variety of enemies - and Cerberus wll be a part of it.  I feel like I can trust BioWare to get the balance right, and tell a really fabulous story in the meanitme.  This has been a really enjoyable series thus far, and I look forward to ME3.
 

[alperez]

Han Shot First wrote...

I won't have a problem with Cerberus being used as foes that are just interested in Shepard.

I'd just cry foul if they are used as the main foot soldier of the Reapers in their invasion of the galaxy. That would contradict previously established lore where they were a small organization.

Ok then i think we're basically on the same page, i don't think they're the main foot soldiers and if they are then that really is stupid, like you say they just don't have the manpower.

My reading on it was they were out to stop shepard and thats why they would be 40% of the enemy we faced, basically they just keep coming after Shepard until we eventually take them out, put them down, take away TIM's tiger blood so he is no longer WINNING.

[Had-to-say]

The human centric plotline kinda bothers me too. I would hope that there were more badass things in the galaxy than us. Like a army of Yahg! There should be a Yahg Reaper.

[Terror_K]

KateKane wrote...

My big gripe is that they somehow have the numbers to be this much of a problem.

In a galactic civilization with trillions of citizens at war with Lovecraftian robot monsters from space, how are a few hundred members of the worst secret organization ever supposed to be a major threat?

Indeed. Especially when apparently the new Normandy and rebuilding Shepard were supposed to have used a good majority of their resources, and then they lost a bunch of cells and got their asses handed to them by a group of turian strike forces in Retribution. Somehow it seems Cerberus has more men and resources than the Alliance and all the other Council species combined.

[KateKane]

I just really hope there's a plausible explanation for their indoctrination.
None of this "Oh, were just complete IDIOTS" stuff like in Arrival.

[Praetor Knight]

DonDaMon wrote...

you have all these awesome aliens & cultures, capable of great & terrible things .. but come on does everything have to relate to Cerberus ?! I mean come on , seriously !? Anyone else tired of cerberus and want plot dealing with the various other species instead ? It would be much more interesting & awe inspiring. 

Can't we wait for more info or the game to release?

[alperez]

KateKane wrote...

I just really hope there's a plausible explanation for their indoctrination.
None of this "Oh, were just complete IDIOTS" stuff like in Arrival.

I think  TIM's interaction with the artifact in evolution is the key,

[DonDaMon]

thresher maws are more interesting than cerberus imho ...

[KateKane]

alperez wrote...

KateKane wrote...

I just really hope there's a plausible explanation for their indoctrination.
None of this "Oh, were just complete IDIOTS" stuff like in Arrival.

I think  TIM's interaction with the artifact in evolution is the key,

But that would require that people read the terrible comic, which would just be mean.

[Quole]

I agree. Ascension, Retribution, Deception, a lot of ME2, and the comics. Dont know why Bioware is so obsessed with Cerberus. its incredibly annoying that I read more about cerberus than I do the reapers/collectors/geth (the REAL antagonists) combined.

Modifié par Quole, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:34 .

[Clonedzero]

DonDaMon wrote...

thresher maws are more interesting than cerberus imho ...

well your opinion isnt much when you obviously barely payed any attention to the series so far......

[Quole]

Clonedzero wrote...

DonDaMon wrote...

thresher maws are more interesting than cerberus imho ...

well your opinion isnt much when you obviously barely payed any attention to the series so far......

even if cerberus was interesting, it does not mean EVERYTHING has to revolve around them.

Modifié par Quole, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:37 .

[alperez]

KateKane wrote...


But that would require that people read the terrible comic, which would just be mean.

With Liara they did a lot of the same things, we're introduced to new characters and plots in her comic and once we get to the actual meeting with her in me2 its explained in very few sentences what she was doing and why, so they could do the same thing with TIM.

Explain it out fully and complexly in the comics/books and in the game itself we come across a file or something which basically explains it out in much simpler terms, then when we meet up with TIM again a few lines of dialogue that fleshes it out more its actually not that hard to do.

Modifié par alperez, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:40 .

[DonDaMon]

you obviously like cerberus do to your TIM avatar ,
but dont insult my intelligence of the series,
i'v been a fan since day 1 & iv dedicated hundreds of hours in mass effect 1 alone..
i know what i'm saying & i'm saying we see too much of cerberus imo , every thing now leads a trail back to cerberus ..
thats not odd to you ?

[alperez]

Quole wrote...

I agree. Ascension, Retribution, Deception, a lot of ME2, and the comics. Dont know why Bioware is so obsessed with Cerberus. its incredibly annoying that I read more about cerberus than I do the reapers/collectors/geth (the REAL antagonists) combined.

Maybe its because cerberus are also antagonists and its through them we'll get to understand the reapers which is why cerberus were written into the storyline in the first place.

Think of it something like an Emperor/vader scenario, its through Vader we learn about the emperor and whle the emperor is really the main threat its vader who is the main antogonist.