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[essarr71]

alperez wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Only Shepard (humanity extended by Cerberus) has foiled any Reaper plans.

ME1) ME1's coming apocalypse

ME2) Collectors foiled/Dr. Amanda Kenson's Reaper "Arrival"

So because they brought back shepard, they saved humanity, thats it that's your whole argument.

it makes sense if you don't think about it.

[ThePwener]

alperez wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

People need to get it right. Cerberus is labeled as such, but isn't. Seriously, when was the last time you saw a movie/game where terrorists save humanity?

How? how have they saved humanity?

1) Revive Shepard

2) Give him a ship

3) Give him resources (money earned at missions end)

4) Get him a Reaper IFF

5) Build AI capable of extracting data out of Collector ship to reach Omega 4

6) Give dossiers to assamble super team


My God, without Cerberus, ME2 wouldn't even have ocurred (Shepard was DEAD!). Ungrateful schmuck.

[alperez]

essarr71 wrote...

it makes sense if you don't think about it.

Yes. god forbid people would actually think about things LOL.

[essarr71]

ThePwener wrote...

alperez wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

People need to get it right. Cerberus is labeled as such, but isn't. Seriously, when was the last time you saw a movie/game where terrorists save humanity?

How? how have they saved humanity?

1) Revive Shepard

2) Give him a ship

3) Give him resources (money earned at missions end)

4) Get him a Reaper IFF

5) Build AI capable of extracting data out of Collector ship to reach Omega 4

6) Give dossiers to assamble super team


My God, without Cerberus, ME2 wouldn't even have ocurred (Shepard was DEAD!). Ungrateful schmuck.

Earth was still getting destroyed at the beginning of me3 last time bioware let us know whats up... soooo good job there cerb saving humanity.

[ThePwener]

essarr71 wrote...

it makes sense if you don't think about it.

So Shepard would have magically come back to life, build a better Normandy, assamble a team from nowhere and buy a Reaper IFF from Citadel Souvenirs.

Makes perfect sense if I don't think about it.

[DPSSOC]

alperez wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Only Shepard (humanity extended by Cerberus) has foiled any Reaper plans.

ME1) ME1's coming apocalypse

ME2) Collectors foiled/Dr. Amanda Kenson's Reaper "Arrival"

So because they brought back shepard, they saved humanity, thats it that's your whole argument.

They launched the initiative to do something about the Collectors, they funded the mission, they collected all the intelligence, they gave you all the tools you needed to get the job done.  Logistical support, not as flashy but just as important.

[ThePwener]

essarr71 wrote...

Earth was still getting destroyed at the beginning of me3 last time bioware let us know whats up... soooo good job there cerb saving humanity.

Yay! Let the Collectors abduct every Human in the galaxy to make another Reaper to which to kill us faster. Yay!

[redneckwonderland]

Wow another Cerberus thread.

[essarr71]

ThePwener wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Earth was still getting destroyed at the beginning of me3 last time bioware let us know whats up... soooo good job there cerb saving humanity.

Yay! Let the Collectors abduct every Human in the galaxy to make another Reaper to which to kill us faster. Yay!

Im not saying they didn't do good in the last game.

The issue is your claim they "saved humanity" and you could argue that shepard did that, not cerb.. and given the scope of your argument, you're premature to say it.  When shepard actually defeats the reapers, go ahead and say it would have never happened without cerb.. until then you're putting a lot on cerb, where i feel shepard needs the credit...

so yeah, cerb might have good taste, but they were pretty good at screwing up before shepard took the reins.

[GodWood]

KateKane wrote...
They aren't really about humanity, though.
They're goal is human domination of the galaxy, with Cerberus on top. An ethno-centric, dangerous, pseudo-military organization with lofty goals of domination says "terrorists" to me.

Well looks like you need to recheck your definition of "terrorists".

[alperez]

ThePwener wrote...


1) Revive Shepard

2) Give him a ship

3) Give him resources (money earned at missions end)

4) Get him a Reaper IFF

5) Build AI capable of extracting data out of Collector ship to reach Omega 4

6) Give dossiers to assamble super team


My God, without Cerberus, ME2 wouldn't even have ocurred (Shepard was DEAD!). Ungrateful schmuck.

Well without Tali giving you that info on Saren way back when you never would have proved Saren was what you said he was, would never have been made Spectre and would never have stopped sovereign leading to me2 in the first place.

Cerberus set pieces in motion and thats it, one sentence from TIM in me3 would completely dismiss everything anyway.

I am working with/for the reapers.

[ThePwener]

Cerberus is second to Shepard in ME2's victory, yes, I agree, but without them, it would not have happened. You have to give credit where credit is due, something people around here forget to do.

[essarr71]

ThePwener wrote...

Cerberus is second to Shepard in ME2's victory, yes, I agree, but without them, it would not have happened. You have to give credit where credit is due, something people around here forget to do.

hmm.. about as often as people give too much credit to those in the background, i'd say.

[ThePwener]

alperez wrote...

Well without Tali giving you that info on Saren way back when you never would have proved Saren was what you said he was, would never have been made Spectre and would never have stopped sovereign leading to me2 in the first place.

Cerberus set pieces in motion and thats it, one sentence from TIM in me3 would completely dismiss everything anyway.

I am working with/for the reapers.

You're getting a little carried away. Anything said about ME3 is pure speculation (yes, even the indoctranted part). Cerberus didn't send you on the right direction like Tali, the Council and the Alliance did in ME1. No, they followed you all the way through, and that's what counts.

[Tommy6860]

essarr71 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

alperez wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

People need to get it right. Cerberus is labeled as such, but isn't. Seriously, when was the last time you saw a movie/game where terrorists save humanity?

How? how have they saved humanity?

1) Revive Shepard

2) Give him a ship

3) Give him resources (money earned at missions end)

4) Get him a Reaper IFF

5) Build AI capable of extracting data out of Collector ship to reach Omega 4

6) Give dossiers to assamble super team


My God, without Cerberus, ME2 wouldn't even have ocurred (Shepard was DEAD!). Ungrateful schmuck.

Earth was still getting destroyed at the beginning of me3 last time bioware let us know whats up... soooo good job there cerb saving humanity.

Exactly, Shep and recruited team were about finding out about the Collectors, their resources, and ultimately, their ties to their aliance to the Reapers and thier goals,a nd then acting upon it. At the time Shep and company killed the that silly looking giant terminator Reaper and destroyed the Collector station (or kept it intact), the Reaper invasion was already underway. Me thinks, Harbinger didn't stop talking to his deep space buddies while Shep was pissing him off.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 18 juillet 2011 - 12:28 .

[ThePwener]

Luc0s wrote...

Maybe Shepard would never have died without Cerberus.

Maybe this is a bit far-fetched but hear me out: If Cerberus indeed is working with the reapers in ME3 (it seems they are), than who says they wheren't already working with the reapers in ME2? If that is the case, than maybe Cerberus gave the Collectors the intel on where to find the Normandy, so the Collectors could take the Normandy out. Then Cerberus could find Shepard's body and bring Shep back to life with the Lazerus project. That way, TIM could assure his control over Shepard and use Shepard as one of his most valuable pawns in his bigger plan.

Again, maybe it's far-fetched, but I wouldn't be surprised of Cerberus was behind the destruction of the original Normandy.

You'd be surprised how many people used this to say Cerberus was bad and blind themselves into destroying the Base when ME2 came out.

"Too many...."

It was countered time and time again. It's just too convoluted for anyone's taste, 

[essarr71]

ThePwener wrote...

You're getting a little carried away. Anything said about ME3 is pure speculation (yes, even the indoctranted part). Cerberus didn't send you on the right direction like Tali, the Council and the Alliance did in ME1. No, they followed you all the way through, and that's what counts.

My dog also follows me around all day.  Very loyal, handy companion.  Wouldn't say he was responsible for what I accomplished tho.

[DPSSOC]

Luc0s wrote...
Maybe Shepard would never have died without Cerberus.

Maybe this is a bit far-fetched but hear me out: If Cerberus indeed is working with the reapers in ME3 (it seems they are), than who says they wheren't already working with the reapers in ME2? If that is the case, than maybe Cerberus gave the Collectors the intel on where to find the Normandy, so the Collectors could take the Normandy out. Then Cerberus could find Shepard's body and bring Shep back to life with the Lazerus project. That way, TIM could assure his control over Shepard and use Shepard as one of his most valuable pawns in his bigger plan.

Again, maybe it's far-fetched, but I wouldn't be surprised of Cerberus was behind the destruction of the original Normandy.

It's possible but it raises a lot of questions.

1) If Cerb was working for the Reapers why would they target the Collectors (an actual Reaper ally) rather than falsifying evidence to point Shepard at an actual ally against the Reapers?

2) If the goal is to control Shepard why not implant any means of controlling him?

3) Why all that business with the Shadow Broker?  Would it really have made a difference if Shepard was told Cerberus recovered his body from the planet rather than telling him nothing so he can find out later they got it from Liara who'd fought the Shadow Broker for it?

Like I said it's possible but seems needlessly complicated; though given the cartoonish super-villainy that Cerberus is depicted in perhaps that just makes it all the more believable.

[DonDaMon]

it still isnt clear where cerberus gets all that money from,
to revive shep & build a new normandy based on the original specs
cerberus despite being incompetent has too much information
i blame the writers for focusing too much on them, they've lost sight of the "space opera" they promised to deliver by focusing on al qaeda in space

[alperez]

ThePwener wrot

You're getting a little carried away. Anything said about ME3 is pure speculation (yes, even the indoctranted part). Cerberus didn't send you on the right direction like Tali, the Council and the Alliance did in ME1. No, they followed you all the way through, and that's what counts.

I said all it would take was one line from TIM to invalidate your statement about saving humanity, not that he would say that line but to illustrate that your statement was premature.

Apart from bringing back Shepard in me2 everything else Cerberus did was nothing but logistical support in order to complete a mission (we still don't know the reasoning for) all we have is TIM's explanation as to why he wanted the collectors stopped and that he wants to stop the reapers (until me3 we have no idea if this is the truth or an elaborate lie).

In me1 both the council and the alliance gave Shepard exactly the same logistical support as cerberus did in me2.

Your ship was an alliance ship, your crew was alliance, you got info from the alliance/council, the only difference was that at no point did the alliance/council deliberately set you up or send you into a trap.

[Paula Deen]

I think Cerberus is really interesting, but the gigantic focus they have is ridiculous--they have more plot-relavence than SAREN and SOVEREIGN, and that's not even counting the novels and comics (where Cerberus gets the spotlight a vast majority of the time).

[essarr71]

DonDaMon wrote...

it still isnt clear where cerberus gets all that money from,
to revive shep & build a new normandy based on the original specs

Those questions are answered in me2.