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Paula Deen wrote...

I think Cerberus is really interesting, but the gigantic focus they have is ridiculous--they have more plot-relavence than SAREN and SOVEREIGN, and that's not even counting the novels and comics (where Cerberus gets the spotlight a vast majority of the time).

Its hard to focus plot releveance on dead people though.

Saren and Sovereign served the purpose they were intended to serve, Cerberus serve the purpose they're supposed to serve, if that purpose is important then it makes sense to shine a pretty large spotlight on them.

[DonDaMon]

you expect me to believe that TIM gets money solely from xenophobic persons? i dont buy it.

[essarr71]

DonDaMon wrote...

you expect me to believe that TIM gets money solely from xenophobic persons? i dont buy it.

So don't buy it lol... fight all ya want against it, im just telling ya what was revealed.

So if rich investors/business fronts/military connections/spys isn't enough, what do you think did it?  Seriously, im curious.   

[Tonymac]

Luc0s wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Maybe Shepard would never have died without Cerberus.

Maybe this is a bit far-fetched but hear me out: If Cerberus indeed is working with the reapers in ME3 (it seems they are), than who says they wheren't already working with the reapers in ME2? If that is the case, than maybe Cerberus gave the Collectors the intel on where to find the Normandy, so the Collectors could take the Normandy out. Then Cerberus could find Shepard's body and bring Shep back to life with the Lazerus project. That way, TIM could assure his control over Shepard and use Shepard as one of his most valuable pawns in his bigger plan.

Again, maybe it's far-fetched, but I wouldn't be surprised of Cerberus was behind the destruction of the original Normandy.

You'd be surprised how many people used this to say Cerberus was bad and blind themselves into destroying the Base when ME2 came out.

"Too many...."

It was countered time and time again. It's just too convoluted for anyone's taste, 

For now it's as good a theory as any other. The only problem with the theory is why on earth Cerberus would fight against the Collectors if they're both working for/with the reapers. That's the only question I can't answer right now regarding this theory. 

Many people have tried to double cross the Devil.  This may be what Cerberus is attempting.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I agree with the OP having so much of the game focus on a splinter cell when the Reapers are shwoing up slaughtering millions is just a waste. ME2 we were drowned with Cerberus everywhere and the comics are so Cerberus centered is insane.

ME3 should be about the Reapers and the different factions you have to bring together. Now if they are simply indoctrinated puppets of Harbinger than that's different because it isn't really Cerberus its another arm of the Reapers trying to kill you which would be the right path to take in this game.

[didymos1120]

GodWood wrote...
Well looks like you need to recheck your definition of "terrorists".

People get confused because Cerberus has political goals and is willing to do nasty things to advance them. Plus, they like to operate via cells, which everyone knows is something terrorists do.  What they tend to forget about is the fact that TIM generally wants Cerberus to avoid getting public credit for anything it does, which is exactly the opposite of how actual terrorist organizations operate: they thrive on taking credit for whatever mayhem they've caused.  It's pretty much the entire point: make people terrified of you so they do what you want. 

Really, the one exception was spreading the word about working with Shep, and that of course was not about spreading terror. Also, regardless of the fact that Cerberus has a rather large one, it's not primarily interested in racking up a body count, whereas genuine terrorists generally are.

[DPSSOC]

Luc0s wrote...
2) Because a Shepard with a control-chip might not get the job done. Shepard's mission in ME2 (and ME3) requires a lot of convincing other characters/species into joining Shepard. Shepard is a natural leader and he's special in such a way that he always seems to get the job done. I guess TIM was afraid Shepard would lose this ability if he wasn't 100% himself, so that's why he didn't order Miranda to put a control-chip in his brains.

But there are plenty of means of control that don't involve tampering with the brain.  A small electrode placed along his spine and wired to deliver a painful electric shock could have been used.  Or it doesn't even need to involve tech applied to Shepard; have people onboard the Normandy with the specific purpose of influencing and controlling Shepard's actions.  I get not putting a chip in his brain but TIM takes absolutely no steps to control Shepard period.

Luc0s wrote...
3) Well, the Shadow Broker found Shepard's body first, before Cerberus. Cerberus didn't like this. The Shadow Broker tried to make a deal with the Reapers. He would give Shepard's body to the Collectors and in return the Collectors would give him... well I don't know, no where in the comics or games is said what the Shadow Broker would get in return for giving Shep to the Collectors. 

That's the thing though, if Cerb is working for the Reapers why not just have the Collectors take Shep from the Shadow Broker and then pass him along to Cerb and just tell Shep they got to his body first.  It's like Euchre, you don't play to beat your partners card.

[Golden Owl]

ME1 was focussed on the Reapers and Geth....ME2's focus is Cerberus and Collectors...ME3...Reapers and Cerberus with a patch work of smaller issues from ME & 2...I don't mind that...aside form the fact that working with Cerberus was an enforced situation....But how I see is is BW has already confirmed this is not the last we will see of the ME universe....the other ME games will have other focus's....this trio of ME games just happens to have the Reaper and Cerberus focus.

[Sepewrath]

DonDaMon wrote...

flawed statement ^

Not really, it would be rather odd, reading a story about Volus and Asari speaking english for some odd reason. One way or another, humans MUST be involved, otherwise the story wouldn't make sense.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Sepewrath wrote...

DonDaMon wrote...

flawed statement ^

Not really, it would be rather odd, reading a story about Volus and Asari speaking english for some odd reason. One way or another, humans MUST be involved, otherwise the story wouldn't make sense.

The main character of ME3 is a human....the main mission in ME3 is to save the human homeworld.... we don't need to have the secondary antagonist be humans for the story to 'make sense.'

[essarr71]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
the main mission in ME3 is to save the human homeworld....

uhhh.. i thought the point of the series was to stop the reapers from destroying... you know... everything?

[ISpeakTheTruth]

The devs have said the entire point of the game is to rally different factions to retake Earth. The fighting of the Reapers is a given but saving Earth is narrative.

Don't get me wrong I think that plan sounds stupid why would othere species go out of their way to save our homeworld when their's is under attack too?

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Luc0s wrote...
This is not true. TIM always manages to convince Shepard that whatever TIM says makes sense and is right. Have you never noticed that regardless of you take the Paragon or the Renegade route, Shepard ALWAYS agrees with TIM in the end? The only exception is the suicide mission where TIM asks you to keep the base and you can give TIM the finger and blow it up. But in all other situations, Shepard always agrees with TIM after a short discussion, regardless of your morality (Paragon or Renegade).

So TIM obviously controls Shepard in such a way that he always manages to charm Shepard into agreeing with him (with destroying the Collector base being the only exception).

I never really saw it as TIM charming Shepard it's more, "I'm all you got so you have to play by my rules."  Once we're at the CB we don't need to play with TIM anymore because the mission is over and we're sitting in a house of evidence with EDI no doubt getting as much intel as possible.  If they were truly looking to control Shep I would think they'd want something more than, "I'm all you got," to use as currency.

Luc0s wrote...
I don't know. Maybe because the Shadow Broker was demanding too much for the body? Maybe the demands of the Shadow Broker where too high so instead of completing the deal they just took the body by force.

Hadn't considered that, makes sense I guess.

[essarr71]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

The devs have said the entire point of the game is to rally different factions to retake Earth. The fighting of the Reapers is a given but saving Earth is narrative.

Don't get me wrong I think that plan sounds stupid why would othere species go out of their way to save our homeworld when their's is under attack too?

Hadn't read that.

Tho it can make some sense if, say, the solution involves a reaper hanging around Earth. 

[V-rex]

Yeah, I'm honestly getting sick of Cerberus in their stories. Both in games and books and even in comics. You have a whole UNIVERSE worth of stuff here Bioware and I think it kind of defeats the purpose of having a huge universe full of alien races, backstories and major historical events if you won't actually cover anything that doesn't in some way feature humans.

[DonDaMon]

just face it , mass effect now is human centered , making cerberus uber powerful
humans the "chosen race"
and other species being cannon fodder for the reapers

[Elvis_Mazur]

**** YEAH AND NO TO MORE NEW HUMAN TEAMMATES. SCREW YOU JAMES VEGAS!!!!

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I'm with PetrySilva....James Vegas? Really that's his name? What was Marcus Chicago already taken?

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DonDaMon wrote...

just face it , mass effect now is human centered , making cerberus uber powerful
humans the "chosen race"
and other species being cannon fodder for the reapers

When was this ever not the case?  A human stopped Saren, a human stopped the Collectors, most of their assistance in both cases came from human individuals and organizations.  When have  the aliens ever done anything substantial to thwart the Reapers since ME1?

[didymos1120]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I'm with PetrySilva....James Vegas? Really that's his name? What was Marcus Chicago already taken?

Vega.  No 's'. 

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Oh he's a comic book character....and he has half a codename... something tells me I'm not going to like that guy.