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[DPSSOC]

Luc0s wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Oh he's a comic book character....and he has half a codename... something tells me I'm not going to like that guy.

No, James Vega is an entirely new character. However, his original name is James Sanders. And James is not the first Sanders to appear in Mass Effect. Those who have read the books know that one of the main characters in the books is Khalee Sanders, a female engineer working for the Alliance. Khalee plays a major and important role in the books.

My guess is that James Sanders/Vega is going to form a connection between the games and Khalee from the books.

Which could be a problem because the books establish a cannon not everyone may share/like if I'm not mistaken.

[didymos1120]

Luc0s wrote...

It's actually James Vega (no S at the end), which is his codename since his real name is James Sanders. But for some reason BioWare decided to name him James Vega in ME3 instead of James Sanders. Maybe because the name 'Sanders' could be a spoiler for those who have read the Mass Effect books?

No, 'Sanders' was just an early surname for him.  'Vega' is not a codename:

He's actually James Vega now. We were still designing his character when GameInformer came by.

and there's nothing else to suggest he has anything to do with the character of Kahlee Sanders.  That was all purely forum speculation. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 juillet 2011 - 02:09 .

[didymos1120]

DPSSOC wrote...

Which could be a problem because the books establish a canon not everyone may share/like if I'm not mistaken.

Doesn't matter if you or I or anyone else likes them: the devs consider them canon, and they have referenced the comics and novels multiple times in the games (e.g. Feron in LotSB), and will surely do so again.  That said, James is entirely unecessary as far as providing a connection to Kahlee: Anderson already is that connection.  As of the last novel, he was both in a relationship with her and they were planning on working together and gathering resources to deal with the imminent Reaper problem.

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 juillet 2011 - 02:13 .

[DPSSOC]

I was thinking more along the lines of, in the books Udina is the Councillor, period. From what I've heard there is never any indication that Anderson was ever the Councillor so half of the players are told their choices don't matter. That pisses off the customers which costs them money and that is Bioware's problem.

[Sebby]

There's no doubt that Bioware considers Udina being the councilor and the Collector base being intact* canon in their view.

*Even despite the books leaving it's fate ambiguous.

[didymos1120]

Luc0s wrote...

I still wonder though why BioWare would have originally named this Vega dude 'James Sanders' and later changed it to 'James Vega'. Why did BioWare do this?

I doubt it means anything. Stuff gets altered all the time.  They could quite easily have picked the name without thinking about it and/or for some non-Kahlee-related reason (e.g. he was named for some real world figure someone at Bioware likes) and then realized it hinted at a non-existent connection.  Or maybe they were toying with the idea of making him a relative of Kahlee at the time, then changed their mind.  Or legal decided they had to change the name for some obscure reason.  Who knows? 

[88mphSlayer]

after they wrap up ME3 they should make another ME that's like a Prime 2 Echoes or Majora's Mask level of creative insanity that's soley focused on the aliens of the mass effect universe

[didymos1120]

Seboist wrote...

There's no doubt that Bioware considers Udina being the councilor and the Collector base being intact* canon in their view.

*Even despite the books leaving it's fate ambiguous.

Don't know where you get this "base is doubtlessly intact" notion from.  And no, the expeditions through the Omega-4 that are mentioned in the Invasion preview don't settle it one way or the other. There'd still be plenty of incentive for Cerberus to go poking around out there even with the base in pieces.

[DPSSOC]

Luc0s wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
I was thinking more along the lines of, in the books Udina is the Councillor, period. From what I've heard there is never any indication that Anderson was ever the Councillor so half of the players are told their choices don't matter. That pisses off the customers which costs them money and that is Bioware's problem.

Ow please, come on, it was obvious that Anderson was not the proper person to be the human councilor. It was really clear as day in ME2 that he did not enjoy his job and the other councilors did not take him seriously. Udina would do a much better job as councilor.

So it was just a matter of time before Anderson would give his seat at the council to Udina so he can continue doing what he's good at: kicking lots of butt!

All that aside people do not respond well to making a choice and then being told, "You know what !@#$ you, we're making the choice for you."  It may make sense story wise and I personally don't have a problem with it but I can see that other people would.

Luc0s wrote...
Still, having Anderson as the councilor is not completely useless, as those who picked Anderson (me including) all get the oppertunity to get reinstated as a SpeCTRe, while people who chose Udina don't get the SpeCTRE reinstatement (but maybe they get a different little bonus in ME3)?

And Spectre status has been useful exactly once in the entire series (Noveria).  Maybe it'll play a role in ME3 but given what the set up is I'm pretty sure people have more important things to worry about than whether Shepard is technically above the law or just practically.

Luc0s wrote...
Anyway, the books are canon. So that means Udina will be the councilor in ME3, regardless of your decision in ME1.

And I was just pointing out that the decision to declare the books as universal canon, rather than just a particular canon (i.e. default canon), is going to ****** people off and that will cost Bioware money.

[DarkDragon777]

Saphra Deden wrote...

How about a story about the STG? Or another Spectre? Or batarian pirates? Or turian separatists?

Branch out a little, Bioware. Cerberus is getting way-overexposed to the point that you're starting contradict yourself from one story to the next and giving Cerberus a severe case of villain decay.

Maybe because this is about the entire galaxy, not just a puny threat that only pertains to one civilization at most. Cerberus works for the Reapers. Deal with it. They've never even been a huge villain in the previous installments of the series anyway, so I think you're highly exaggeratting. They made a few minor appearences in ME1 and were "allies" in ME2. ME3 is the only instalmment in the series where Cerberus appears as significant foes.

[didymos1120]

DPSSOC wrote...

From what I've heard there is never any indication that Anderson was ever the Councillor so half of the players are told their choices don't matter.

There's never any indication that he wasn't either.  It only establishes that it's presently Udina. It's not very difficult to write around that for those of us who picked Anderson.  For instance, they could just say that Udina went around quietly undermining confidence in him amongst the upper echelon Alliance folk, making it so he couldn't get anything done and more or less forcing him to step down shortly after ME2.  Then he weasels his way into the seat.  Anderson is then kept around as an ambassador for a couple reasons:

a. looks better for the Alliance that way, as opposed to, say, whipping up a scandal and smearing a popular and well-liked figure that many regard as a hero.
b. lets Udina keep him busy so he can't cause trouble.
c. he's still a useful guy with some useful experience who generally gets along well with non-humans.

[didymos1120]

Luc0s wrote...

Still, having Anderson as the councilor is not completely useless, as those who picked Anderson (me including) all get the oppertunity to get reinstated as a SpeCTRe, while people who chose Udina don't get the SpeCTRE reinstatement (but maybe they get a different little bonus in ME3)?

Actually, if you saved the Council, you can get re-instated even if you chose Udina.  Anderson's only required if you let them die.

[Kaiser Shepard]

ThePwener wrote...

Only Shepard (humanity extended by Cerberus) has foiled any Reaper plans.

ME1) ME1's coming apocalypse

ME2) Collectors foiled/Dr. Amanda Kenson's Reaper "Arrival"

The current galactic community has also already done so twice before:

1. Stopping Sovereign's Rachni Wars by uplifting the krogan

2. Subsequently sterilising the only race to be considered viable for reaperfication at the time

Then there's the quarians, whose famous darwinning of almost their entire race may have been a favor to the galaxy as they were considered as well. Keelah se'lai for weak immune systems!

[essarr71]

Luc0s wrote...

Really? Never knew that! I'm gonna try this out on my next planned playthrough (yes I'm so sad that I actually plan my playthroughs. I have no life).

Hey.. gotta prepare for march.

[Sebby]

didymos1120 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

There's no doubt that Bioware considers Udina being the councilor and the Collector base being intact* canon in their view.

*Even despite the books leaving it's fate ambiguous.

Don't know where you get this "base is doubtlessly intact" notion from.  And no, the expeditions through the Omega-4 that are mentioned in the Invasion preview don't settle it one way or the other. There'd still be plenty of incentive for Cerberus to go poking around out there even with the base in pieces.

I have a hard time picturing anything useful being salvaged from a destroyed base whose pieces look "no larger than a Turian's right nut". It's clear BW intended on Cerberus getting major tech from it and are leaving the fate ambigious to let the feebs think their choice actually matters.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

How about a story about the STG? Or another Spectre? Or batarian pirates? Or turian separatists?

Branch out a little, Bioware. Cerberus is getting way-overexposed to the point that you're starting contradict yourself from one story to the next and giving Cerberus a severe case of villain decay.

By god we agree again...this is starting to scare me

However if Cerberus is indoctrinated by the Reapers than its not really Cerberus as the villains its the Reapers using them. Be that as it may there's no reason why 40% of the enemies we face should be Cerberus thats just a waste of possible variety.

[didymos1120]

Luc0s wrote...

Really? Never knew that!

Yeah.  As long as they're alive, Anderson is able to set up that meeting, and they'll make the offer.