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[VirtualAlex]

 Anyone else feel strange being a biotic Shepard? We all know how much fun Vangaurd and Adept is, but it makes me feel weird like he isn't supposed to be biotic.

Consider all the human biotics we know of, Kaiden and Jack. Both of them went through lots of painful experimentation to grow thier powers. The game makes it seem like Human biotics are a bit of an oddity and need to be created through special means. In ME2 I don't think you encounter any other human biotics at all and in ME1 all the ones you see are mostly fringe maniacs and fanatics.

I am not saying shepard cannot be biotic, but there is NO plot dialogue or elements that explain how/why he has biotic powers. You would think it would be a very important part of his character that people would talk about.

I just feel wierd about it.

[eternalnightmare13]

Never felt strange at all playing a vanguard. In the Codex it talks about ''accidental'' exposure to ezo, and it only takes a little imagination to believe that Shep had been exposed in the womb. A little imagination isn't a bad things when it comes to these things, in my opinion.

I suppose they could've added dialogue with Kaidan and Chakwas in ME1. Some exposition about Shep's biotic might've been alright but I don't see it being necessary at all.

I already sussed out my Sheps personalities via their background/service history. How/Why he's biotic is done through my knowledge of the Codex and my own imagination.

[Xeranx]

This is why I find it hard to make Earthborn Shepards who are biotics. I don't see how it's actually feasible with the timeline being what it is. It's even harder with a Colonist Shepard. The only way it makes sense to me is with a Spacer since a lot of things can happen in that scenario that can be made to fit.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Yeah the Biotic thing does bother me a little, but I figure it also explains why Shepard has N7 training and is the candidate for the first human spectre.

[SJK93]

Xeranx wrote...

This is why I find it hard to make Earthborn Shepards who are biotics. I don't see how it's actually feasible with the timeline being what it is. It's even harder with a Colonist Shepard. The only way it makes sense to me is with a Spacer since a lot of things can happen in that scenario that can be made to fit.

Colonist actually always seemed to make more sense to me. I saw a timeline that said Shepard was detected as a Biotic at age 17, which, I believe, is about a year after the Batarian raid on Mindoir. So he would have been with the Alliance at the time, although not officially part of the military yet. So he could have been detected by the Alliance.

[Goose4291]

There is a Kaidan scene in ME 1 where if you're a Biotic you discusss BaAT camp. It's quite early in the game.

[Xeranx]

SJK93 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

This is why I find it hard to make Earthborn Shepards who are biotics. I don't see how it's actually feasible with the timeline being what it is. It's even harder with a Colonist Shepard. The only way it makes sense to me is with a Spacer since a lot of things can happen in that scenario that can be made to fit.

Colonist actually always seemed to make more sense to me. I saw a timeline that said Shepard was detected as a Biotic at age 17, which, I believe, is about a year after the Batarian raid on Mindoir. So he would have been with the Alliance at the time, although not officially part of the military yet. So he could have been detected by the Alliance.

That's great.  I guess I just kept thinking about how it was possible for Shepard to survive when his/her family is killed along with the neighbors. 

[Yugster]

yeah would be nice to have different cutscenes and dialog for a biotic Shepard. Like in the Samara: The Ardat-Yakshi loyalty mission when samara and Morinth are fighting using there biotics, for shepard to help her with biotics of his own. The way the game is it keeps reminding you that Shepard is meant to be a cannon soldier class.

[Yugster]

SJK93 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

This is why I find it hard to make Earthborn Shepards who are biotics. I don't see how it's actually feasible with the timeline being what it is. It's even harder with a Colonist Shepard. The only way it makes sense to me is with a Spacer since a lot of things can happen in that scenario that can be made to fit.

Colonist actually always seemed to make more sense to me. I saw a timeline that said Shepard was detected as a Biotic at age 17, which, I believe, is about a year after the Batarian raid on Mindoir. So he would have been with the Alliance at the time, although not officially part of the military yet. So he could have been detected by the Alliance.

Yeah you would think that people joing the aliance millitary would be tested for biotic potential as standard procedure, and any one high enough would be sent on a biotic traineing program.

[ThePwener]

Here's the rundaown OP, so you can stop whining.

Shepard is the rarest case of all. He was exposed to eezo outside of the womb as a (possibly) baby but did not develop Biotic powers. He was then exposed once more at puberty, and then his powers kicked in.

You have to know the timeline to figure it out. Check it out in the wikia for more details.

[Yugster]

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That's great.  I guess I just kept thinking about how it was possible for Shepard to survive when his/her family is killed along with the neighbors. 
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Its posible because it shepard!! lol The bigest bad ass in the galaxy with a natural survival instinct.

[VirtualAlex]

ThePwener wrote...

Here's the rundaown OP, so you can stop whining.

Shepard is the rarest case of all. He was exposed to eezo outside of the womb as a (possibly) baby but did not develop Biotic powers. He was then exposed once more at puberty, and then his powers kicked in.

You have to know the timeline to figure it out. Check it out in the wikia for more details.

Hmmm glad I can stop whining now I guess.

[Goose4291]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...
I suppose they could've added dialogue with Kaidan and Chakwas in ME1. Some exposition about Shep's biotic might've been alright but I don't see it being necessary at all.

As I said, I'm adamant one of the first proper chats you have with Kaiden him and Shep reminisce about BAat camp if Shep is a biotic.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[SojournerN7]

Goose4291 wrote...
As I said, I'm adamant one of the first proper chats you have with Kaiden him and Shep reminisce about BAat camp if Shep is a biotic.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I remember that too. Kaiden implies that Shepard has an L3.

[eternalnightmare13]

Sojourner83 wrote...

Goose4291 wrote...
As I said, I'm adamant one of the first proper chats you have with Kaiden him and Shep reminisce about BAat camp if Shep is a biotic.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I remember that too. Kaiden implies that Shepard has an L3.

If you're talking about this -


It's just one sentence.  Basically Kaidan complaining about the side effects of his implants and briefly - easy to miss- comment about Shep's implants.

Kaidan reminsces about BAaT but Shep only asks questions.  Never recall any real convo between them about shared experiences.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

The way I like to play it is that in ME1, my Shepard is always a Soldier (with Electronics) or Infiltrator (with Assault Rifles) so that I can take any squad member with me. In ME2 though, I switch to Vanguard. The way I justify that is that when Shepard was 'killed' in the attack on the SR-1, he was exposed to huge amount of Eezo from the Normandy's power plant, thus creating biotic abilities when Shepard is re-born so to speak.

[Summers2]

I have a colonist vanguard Shepard and love the role playing and this question of shouldn't he have been at BAAT did brother me but its easy to think of a reason about it.

exposure: Codex files says Shepard is exposed in womb and Mindoir being a farming planet would need supplies, not hard to imagine an accident of a merchant/supply ship happening or made to happen if you believe Kaiden's theory.

Childhood minor biotic signs: If you read the Harry Potter books non magical parents with magical children reason away strange circumstances cause we are humans and that's what we do when we come across the unexplained.

Realization: Codex says at 17 Shepard is recognized as a biotic. From Jack's story we know that extreme physical and/or emotional pain can increase biotic potential

Conclusion : Colonist Hannah Shepard is exposed to eezo via accident. The Shepard farm is full of instances of Shepard's favorite toy or food suddenly is in his reach where before it was across the room glowing blue for maybe just a split second. Mr and Mrs Shepard ignore these situations because everything is NORMAL and Explainable dammit!! Or notice and keep it quiet knowing of the prejudice surrounding biotics. After the raid Shepard's emotional trauma causes dormant biotic potential to jumps to the foreground.

[Jukaga]

Goose4291 wrote...

There is a Kaidan scene in ME 1 where if you're a Biotic you discusss BaAT camp. It's quite early in the game.

Except biotic Shep is as ignorant about BaAT as soldier Shep. The only dialogue that changes as I recall is one small line where Kaiden calls you an L3, which is wrong since adepts and vanguards use variants of the L5s.

[Jukaga]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

The way I like to play it is that in ME1, my Shepard is always a Soldier (with Electronics) or Infiltrator (with Assault Rifles) so that I can take any squad member with me. In ME2 though, I switch to Vanguard. The way I justify that is that when Shepard was 'killed' in the attack on the SR-1, he was exposed to huge amount of Eezo from the Normandy's power plant, thus creating biotic abilities when Shepard is re-born so to speak.

Odd, I have the same headcanon since ME2 made Vanguards fun with the charge ability. They were pretty useless in ME1.

[Zuzu Mumu]

i agree with the OP , a biotic shep makes no sense in the plot , ur suppose to be human from head to toes 

Modifié par Zuzu Mumu, 03 mai 2013 - 10:47 .

[The Grey Ranger]

Jukaga wrote...

Odd, I have the same headcanon since ME2 made Vanguards fun with the charge ability. They were pretty useless in ME1.

Vanguard, useless in ME1?  They are arguably the best biotic class in ME1 especially with a singularity as a bonus talent.  As far as the L3 vs L5 implants, the L5 implants were developed 2184, the year after the events of ME1 (2183).  They could very easily be installed during Shepard's rebuild during ME2 events.

If you want to check the timeline try here.  http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 03 mai 2013 - 12:36 .

[Exile Isan]

SJK93 wrote...
Colonist actually always seemed to make more sense to me. I saw a timeline that said Shepard was detected as a Biotic at age 17, which, I believe, is about a year after the Batarian raid on Mindoir. So he would have been with the Alliance at the time, although not officially part of the military yet. So he could have been detected by the Alliance.

You are correct 17 was when biotic Shepard was officially detected as a biotic fitted with her implant (I'm sure people she knew/her family knew she was a biotic). Which I've never liked. I think Shep should have had her implant and some biotic training before the attack on Mindior if playing a Colonist Shep. The timeline is written from the biased perspective that Shepard was born on Earth.

Colonist does make the most sense as far as not being sent to BaAT with Kaidan (and the others), though. Ashley says that Mindior didn't have a very big garrison which means there probably weren't a lot of soldiers there. Easy to not be noticed. Also it sounds like, from what Kaidan tells us, that the kids that were sent to Jump Zero were all from Earth. Which is why my main biotic Shepard is a colony kid.

Earthborn Shep I could see slipping by too because it's not like she wasn't an orphan or anything. Both Kaidan and Rhana came from fairly well to do families. And I get the feeling that the Tenth Street Reds would have hid their biotic well.

Spacer I have a really hard time with (although I do have an adept Spacer) since Spacer Shep has lived on military ships and space stations all her life I find it hard to believe nobody wouldn't have noticed she was a biotic.

Jukaga wrote...
Except biotic Shep is as ignorant about BaAT as soldier Shep. The only dialogue that changes as I recall is one small line where Kaiden calls you an L3, which is wrong since adepts and vanguards use variants of the L5s.

Which makes sense since Shepard wasn't there and the records are sealed. Shepard did have L3 implants. The first implants that she was fitted with were L3's. The L5 implants (which she has in ME2) weren't developed until 2184. One year after the events of Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 04 mai 2013 - 04:02 .