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[BuddhaWithaChaingun]

 Hello everyone, 

Just wondering what you think the most difficult class is for playing through insanity.

[goofyomnivore]

I'll assume no DLC/modding/bonus powers since not everyone has acess to em, or plays by lore.

Adept with shotgun training. A Vanguard would be tough too if you're inexperienced with the gameplay.

Modifié par strive, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:26 .

[mcsupersport]

Depends on who you talk to in so many ways.

Vanguard has a steep learning curve and until you get it, you die alot.
Adepts are weak if you insist on banging your head against the "me1" style of play instead of adapting to the new style and learning how to use them.

Both of those classes will be an exercise in frustration until you "get" them and then they start tearing everything apart. Sentinel is easy, Soldier is fairly easy(Mattock/Widow is easy), Infiltrator is easy(for the most part).

[Trophy_Hunter]

First of all, Mass Effect 1 was easy with any and all classes so I shall comment on Mass Effect 2.

I agree that it depends on playing style as well as whether you 'get' the class and the tactics which are involved. In my own experience, I found the adept the most difficult for ME2, though once I got used to the playing style it was fairly simple.

Also as a side note, whilst I thoroughly (and I mean thoroughly) enjoyed the suicide mission, I have to say that it was one of the easiest missions. Regardless of class, I always seemed to think it would start difficult and would progressively get easier as the game went on, no doubt due to the skills gained when levelling.

[lastpatriot]

I found that that the Vanguard tends to be an exercise in frustration for me unless I play it all the time. Otherwise, I tend to die ever few seconds.

As for the Adept, it was difficult at first until you understand their tricks but once you understand how to manipulate the battlefield more, the class becomes simply amazing. I'm currently playing my FemShep as an adept and will pretty much tear through groups of mobs.

[Blackguard82]

Adept in the beginning befor you upgrade fully your singularity and passive is a real test of your nerves... However after that and with the right group it becomes easier and more fun!

[F00lishG]

Infiltrator. When you're in a firefight going badly, you'll notice how the Infiltrator moveset doesn't mesh well.

[AmyMac]

Really? I'm playing ME2 through with my Infiltrator now on insanity and it seems way, way easier than it did with my soldier (1st insanity playthrough). Most missions I can get through without dying at all... Tactical Cloak made Horizon a breeze and Warp Ammo bonus power + Kuwashii visor + Widow + Assassination Cloak = complete and utter ownage of the Collector Ship.

I'd second the statement that Vanguard is the hardest class, though I haven't played an adept, engineer, or sentinel. My first playthrough was with my Vanguard on veteran and wow, that sucked ... though it made my first insanity playthrough seem not too bad!

Modifié par AmyMac, 26 juillet 2011 - 06:09 .

[sy7ar]

AmyMac wrote...
I'd second the statement that Vanguard is the hardest class, though I haven't played an adept, engineer, or sentinel. My first playthrough was with my Vanguard on veteran and wow, that sucked ... though it made my first insanity playthrough seem not too bad!

there were times when i was so pissed by the vanguard, but now it's my favorite. very powerful and fun once u understand how to use. 

hardest adept i'd say. not easy to learn and you have to pair with appropriate squadmates to maximize its potential

[adonfraz]

Adept is the hardest for insanity but prob the easiest class on normal.

Modifié par adonfraz, 29 juillet 2011 - 06:10 .

[Kurt M.]

F00lishG wrote...

Infiltrator. When you're in a firefight going badly, you'll notice how the Infiltrator moveset doesn't mesh well.

If that happens to you, just cloak and move away to cover. Infiltrator is barely more difficult than a Soldier. Only problem I had in the entire Main Quest was handling hordes of husks in the Delerict Reaper, but that was mostly my fault for not having any crowd-control powers or weapons. Apart from that, I had 0 issues (on Insanity, of course).

The most difficult one is a Vanguard. Adepts can still especialize on throwing everything they can from a distance (plus not having to worry about ammo), but Vanguards are all about close quarters. Do a wrong Charge, and you're basically dead.

Modifié par Gladiador2, 01 août 2011 - 11:25 .

[DoctorTurkleton]

On the contrary to what everyone else is saying, I found my Insanity Vanguard to be the easiest experience I've ever had. (I exclusively used the Geth Plasma Shotgun though, which can completely strip defenses and do health damage with shotgun damage and a full charge.)

In my opinion the hardest class is no doubt an Adept. I simply couldn't get around having my powers be useless (for the most part, barring warp as it works against armor) until the defenses are stripped.

At first glance, Engineer looks like it would be difficult -- but it's not. AI Hacking and Dominate, funnest playthrough I've ever done.

Modifié par DoctorTurkleton, 01 août 2011 - 01:05 .

[Mand0l1n]

My 2 cents from hardest to easiest on insanity.

Vanguard
Adept (my personal favourite)
Infiltrator
Engineer
Sentinel
Soldier

[Kurt M.]

Well, maybe it's because I haven't played it, but the Adept doesn't sounds so terribly difficult to me. All you have to do is to make sure you're behind cover all the time and preferibly to have an escape route if your position is compromised (as it lacks Cloak). But few times in the game you're pressed so much. Zaeed's Squad Disruptor is invaluable to take down Shields, as it has no native power to take them down (not including Bonus Powers, of course), plus his Concussive Shot can be useful in combination with Pull. Barriers and Armor are no problem with Warp, and once the enemies are stripped down, you can use any power to finish them.

Maybe some crowd control power or one that'd allow to escape or finish enemies quickly when they get too close would be useful. Combined with shotgun training, I see no problems with Adepts...maybe I'll do a playthough to test that class

Modifié par Gladiador2, 01 août 2011 - 06:45 .

[Mand0l1n]

To be honest the adept isn't difficult to play even on insanity but that doesn't mean that one class isn't harder to play than others. With this in mind I think it's valid to rate the classes as the OP suggested.

[Bourne Endeavor]

F00lishG wrote...

Infiltrator. When you're in a firefight going badly, you'll notice how the Infiltrator moveset doesn't mesh well.

Sorry, but it is just you mate. I ran through my first Insanity file with an Infiltrator and died a whooping six times throughout the whole thing. Additionally, back then I had a lesser opinion of Incinerate, and therefore never bothered to use it. The Infiltrator is exceptionally easy if you play to its strengths or know your way around. I'd rank the Soldier and Sentinel ahead though simply due to their overwhelming defensive aspects.

[Seeker Sparrow]

I'll echo the sentiments for Shotgun Adept, at range suits the class best on Insanity personally and does become a little squishy when going up close particularly because it lacks the talents like Cloak, Charge, Drone etc to get the player out of trouble though liberal use of Singularity, Throw and Barrier are handy to make it work with a bit of practice.

Also trying to play Shotgun Infiltrator but without the GPS can be a bit of a challenge too.

[termokanden]

I have played Shotgun Infiltrator with the GPS and the Eviscerator (I actually prefer the Eviscerator). It isn't all that difficult once you get the hang of it, but as usual with Cloak, it gets more and more difficult as you try to play more aggressively. Unlike a Vanguard for example, an Infiltrator cannot recharge shields easily while running between enemies. In fact you STOP your regen by using Cloak, so it's (IMO) vastly more difficult to be an aggressive Shotgun Infiltrator than a Vanguard. But it's much easier if you use Cloak defensively.

Most difficult? Probably Shotgun Adept WITHOUT the GPS. With the GPS it's actually quite easy. That gun seems to be designed to destroy defenses at mid range, which is exactly what an Adept needs.

Modifié par termokanden, 06 août 2011 - 02:12 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

Vanguard have the highest learning curve by far but after that it's very easy to play with, Adept and Vanguards is hardest for new players.

[xassantex]

i'll admit after playing sentinel and soldier, going adept was a total change in style.
It took a while for me to develop the reflex of combining powers , to make sure to keep my allies alive and it also brought me to use squad mates that i practically never touched in the previous two classes.
I multi task way more than as a soldier and sentinel ( where if my mates died, i'd just go "bah, let's finish that on my own " . )

[-Tentei-]

I'm not sure but I would imagine the Vangaurd and Adept would have a pretty hard time seeing as the Adept would rely on their allies to do various things and the Vanguard is just difficult to use with it's steep learning curve and it would be even harder to use without any DLC cause the Geth Plasma and Eviserator are much better then any shotgun in the default game sides from the Claymore but using that chance to get an extra gun would be much better used on a rifle.

[Soccer FeverMan]

wow are you people serious, i killed everything with adept no problems spam singularity that is all. always for heavy version of it it hold people down. good for crowd control, also if you have LotSB go with stasis as bonus power YMIR mechs basically become your b*tches. if you don't go with barrier or energy drain. Also if your adept miranda is a great teammate especially with unstable warp. even then without her on my team i destroyed everything.

[adonfraz]

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

wow are you people serious, i killed everything with adept no problems spam singularity that is all. always for heavy version of it it hold people down. good for crowd control, also if you have LotSB go with stasis as bonus power YMIR mechs basically become your b*tches. if you don't go with barrier or energy drain. Also if your adept miranda is a great teammate especially with unstable warp. even then without her on my team i destroyed everything.

The title of hardest class doesn't mean it's a hard class to use, just harder than the other five. ME2 isn't a terribly challenging game for any class if you understand the game mechanics. However it's nearly universally agreed that the Adept and Vanguard are the harder classes to master on Insanity.

All classes have access to Stasis, so that adds nothing to your argument.

Do you think the Soldier, Sentinel, Engineer, and Infiltrator are harder to learn than the Adept or Vanguard?

If so, let's discuss it further.

Modifié par adonfraz, 07 août 2011 - 04:47 .

[expanding panic]

F00lishG wrote...

Infiltrator. When you're in a firefight going badly, you'll notice how the Infiltrator moveset doesn't mesh well.

I agree with this. The infiltrator doesn't have as many offensive abilities as I would like. I also have a hard time staying in the Background and snipping people. I enjoy playing as a Vanguard and I think that the Vanguard is a pretty easy class. As long as you charge into a group that you can handle. 

[termokanden]

expanding panic wrote...

F00lishG wrote...

Infiltrator. When you're in a firefight going badly, you'll notice how the Infiltrator moveset doesn't mesh well.

I agree with this. The infiltrator doesn't have as many offensive abilities as I would like. I also have a hard time staying in the Background and snipping people.

I don't agree that they don't have enough offensive abilities. But in any case, I really don't understand what's so difficult about infiltrators. You can ALWAYS Cloak and reposition yourself. You have to be extremely unlucky and get caught in the crossfire for it to fail. For that reason alone, I think it's a pretty easy class to play. But I think it's a much more difficult class to play WELL.

Finally, a word about the "staying in the background" part. Who says you have to do that? Lots of people enjoy CQC with infiltrators. Even when I play a Widow infiltrator, I still do CQC often, and I don't even sit in the background when sniping. In this game, sniper rifles aren't just a long range weapon.