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[PurpleChair]

Chamucks Deluxe wrote...

With the Advancements of blogs and online gaming sites, you'd be an idiot to buy a magazine.. Harsh I know, but the paper writing industry is on it's death bed. Somewhere out there you can get a really good in depth non-CTRL-C'd review and it won't cost you anything. Don't waist your time.

There's an amazing wealth of free games out there, too.

[Seraosha]

Hi, I'm Seraosha and I'm a subscriber to Edge magazine.

I'd just like to say to those who aren't in the know, that Edge isn't your run of the mill games mag that targets the lowest common denominator and counts teens as their biggest readers. If Edge were a newspaper it would be the Economist or the Financial Times. It's effectively a games industry journal that just happens to be sold to the videogaming public here in the UK.

Reviews have never been Edge's raison d'etre. Edge is probably the last place I or indeed, most people would go if they cared about review scores to be honest. I buy it for it's commentary and features. The opinion pieces. Most games mags do not give in depth views and analysis on gaming and the industry generally. Edge offers videogame journalism, not just review scores. So stop getting your knickers into a twist Dragon Age fans. As has been widely pointed out, the masses prefer the inane drivel of GamesMaster or OXM over the serious stuff.

Now, I've seen the Dragon Age review. Read it as soon as the issue dropped through the letterbox yesterday and I have to say that that is honestly the most withering review they have written in a long while. But I'm not foaming at the mouth because they don't like my video game. I also took a moment to note that they tested the 360 version. PC version is easily worth a 7.

Not that absolutely arbitrary figures of 1 through 10 should ever have any baring at all on whether you like a game personally. I love Dragon Age so much now I can even put aside the little things that annoys me. And Edge doesn't even reach news stands until Tuesday (us lucky subscribers, eh?) which is over three weeks since DA's release. You guys need to stop worrying so much.

The 360 version of Dragon Age is appalling anyway. I've seen it myself. I cannot think for the life of me why Edge was given a console review copy for what is, evidently, a poor console port of a pc game. The controls are clumsy, the graphics are diabolical compared to PC. it's buggy as hell. And let's not even get started on how you have to mash the A button every battle just to make sure your character doesn't forget his target in the middle of a fight.

Anyway, here are a few choice quotations from the 360 review of Dragon Age in the 209th issue of glorious Edge Magazine. With any luck the full DA review will end up on the Edge website at some point..

Edge wrote...

Many games have dialogue that is inferior to Dragon Age's, but few have the temerity to force so much of it upon you. For the first ten hours it feels like every other step triggers an inept cutscene, and the crimes against writing here are many and severe. "I am the loop in your hole," says a hopeful seductress, in one of many scenes so clumsily scripted you almost wish you were reading a Dan Brown novel - which at least has the decency to be easy to set alight.

Edge wrote...

The misery of Dragon Age's dramatic ambition is only compounded by the gruesome quality of its motion-capture and character modelling: the glassy, immobile faces and rigid poise; the unnaturally large, pale hands, which waft about in the air with all the expressiveness of table-tennis bats' the unequipped weapons which float some distance from each character's back...

...Dragon Age is, at times, strikingly ugly. Textures are bleary and low-resolution and the natural environs are formed from height-map splodges. Things improve considerably on PC with better lighting and texture-mapping: faces have features rather than smears.

Edge wrote...

Another disparity between 360 and PC is to be found in the implementation of the combat system. Dragon Age's battles are complex micromanagement dances in which you flit between control of your four-strong party, constantly pausing the game to queue up actions. Co-ordination between tanks, healers and archers is entirely necessary for survival, and many encounters test your timing down to the second. Fumble your area-of-effect spell and your magic user may not have enough mana to keep your tank alive, causing a chain reaction that kills your party in a matter of moments.

The PC's keyboard and mouse fit neatly with this style of command, while the Xbox 360 pad manifestly does not. Cumbersome menu selection wheels aside, even identifying the right target is a hassle on console, made more frustrating by the games tendency to forget what your selected character was attacking every few seconds - something rectified by a simple mouse-click on pc.

Edge wrote...

An encounter with a merchant reveals an interesting dialogue option: download additional content. We have often enjoyed and do not begrudge DLC, but being assaulted with a purchase in this way is a bit like having your hamburger persuade you to buy fries and a drink.

Modifié par Seraosha, 21 novembre 2009 - 09:15 .

[Zenthar Aseth]

Yeah, I completely disagree with the reviewer..

[Seraosha]

Sadly, the quotes are completely out of context with their wider narrative. But I feel uncomfortable with the idea of posting an entire paper based review online >.< I just hope people can see that the 360 version has a lot to answer for.

[Zenthar Aseth]

I'll specify: I disagree about the things the reviewer says about the dialogue. The dialogue is superb. I've no idea of the console problems.

[Terwox_]

So they completed the game in 30 hours. I completed the game on easy with barely 75% off the side quests completed. in 45 hours. And I was skipping some dialogues as well. My current normal playthrough is at 52 hours, having completed, the dwarves, elves and the circle of mages parts. Currently stomping through the Sacred Ashes quest. So I still have quite a while to go yet.



So if they just sped through it all to get it done in 30 hours I'm starting to doubt they even saw enough off the game to seriously back up most off their reasons for anything. That's like slurping down a giant ice cold slush in 1 minute and then complaining about the brain freeze. Rather unprofessional if you ask me. If you are going to review something, at least do it properly. Otherwise you have no business reviewing anything.

[Seraosha]

Terwox_ wrote...

So they completed the game in 30 hours.

Where did that figure come from? Edge don't mention completion time in the entire review.

[Seifz]

Since you're familiar with Edge, do you think there's any chance that they'll go back and do a review of the original PC version? I mean, it's pretty obvious to just about everybody that it's significantly better than the console version.

[PurpleChair]

They already say in the review that the PC version is better in many ways.

[Terwox_]

Seraosha wrote...

Terwox_ wrote...

So they completed the game in 30 hours.

Where did that figure come from? Edge don't mention completion time in the entire review.

Read back on one off the previous pages, think it was page 9. The entire comment was a "if that's true" Thought it was obvious, apparently not.

[Solica]

Umm, actually, Edge is a "games industry journal" for those parts of the "industry" who consider games like Bayonetta (10/10 btw) to be the future of video gaming. And who are constantly concerned and always confused by the ongoing failure of Japan's game industry to make an impact in the west.
I believe Future Publishing is funneling sums of money through a "service" company they run, from Sony, Nintendo and others, since the last reorganization, and I believe that is the only thing keeping Edge alive. Of course, that is just slander. I haven't been able to sniff out any proof. So of course you should disregard it. It's just what I believe, after all. I mean, I might believe in doomsday 2012, UFOs etc. (I don't, but if I did, I could tell you that I believe it.)

I do agree with Seraosha that the reviews or reviewing are hardly treated seriously by Edge. But after featuring reviews in their magazine almost as a hindsight, they then later make an awful lot of deal about their reviews, in various contexts. I don't think Edge's reviews are sloppy or written by incompetents. But I do believe they are political. Industry political. From the viewpoint of people who grew up with Nintendo and Mario as the center of the video gaming world.
"Opinion" Seraosha called it. And that's of course also true. I just called it politics to give it a derogatory slant.

Modifié par Solica, 21 novembre 2009 - 10:13 .

[Valcutio]

I've never even heard of Edge. Is it a magazine the TC made up? LOL.

[Arsaidh]

As always, there's a relevant Penny Arcade comic.

Modifié par Arsaidh, 21 novembre 2009 - 10:19 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Raxtoren wrote...

Thats right, but when the biggest magazine in the industry givs it 5/10 ... shocking... jeez.
Im the bioware/dao basher here, and I would even give DAO a 9/10.
Not saying everyone has to agree, but anything below an 8 is just a joke.

Biggest magazine in the industry?!  Sorry, never heard of them or even seen them in any store.

[Badface]

You know, the last time I remember some sectors of the gaming community raging over an Edge review was Killzone 2, which they gave 6/10. Same as now, vocal minorities were screaming about how Killzone 2 is "objectively" excellent and the Edge reviewer was using his disgusting subjective viewpoint to poison his journalism.



Dissenting views shouldn't be giving you all aneurysms. If you disagree with this review, move on. Stop trying to find conspiracy theories where there are none.

[kungfusam]

Maybe the reason you've never heard of Edge is due to fact that its decent mag rather then some trash that rates every game 9/10



I mean none of you have a decent example of why it deserves a higher score, other then the fact that Bioware made



Just except that Dragon Age is a fanboy game, only fanboys are enjoying, only fanboys could enjoy it

[Raxtoren]

I'm Swedish, and even I know about Edge, it was a magazine people even imported over here.



Edge is the most famous magazine in europe, so stop this bs that mayby I made up it or im making up how big Edge is, if your from America and dont know what Edge is, fine, but what some of you guys are saying would be similiar to deny or acknowledge Famitsu.

If you dont know what Famitsu is either then I cant help you.

[spernus]

Seraosha wrote...

Sadly, the quotes are completely out of context with their wider narrative. But I feel uncomfortable with the idea of posting an entire paper based review online >.< I just hope people can see that the 360 version has a lot to answer for.

I don't think the reviews of Edge are that much of a joke,but they are concerning certain genre.

Can you disprove that they have certain bias toward jrpg in general? They love western game,but aren't the biggest fan of crpg.

I must agree with the rpg codex on this: game reviewers are mostly clueless when it come to reviewing rpg. Look at Eurogamer for example,which gave Planescape:torment a 7/10(or 8/10 properly patched).Look at Fable 2 or Fallout 3 and oblivion which are rated 10/10 and you have a good idea of what constitute a solid rpg for them.Most game reviewers are perfectly content with bashing monsters on the skull tied up to a solid package(great polish,production values,simple story,great art design) in order to claim a great rpg.

These same game reviewers are also clueless about fighting game in general.It's funny to see them spew BS like Tekken 6 being incredibly stale when the fighting engine is definitively superior to Street fighter IV or Blazblue(although you can only understand this if you are a hardcore fighting game fan so head to SRK and you will gain the knowledge as to why Street fighter IV engine is vastly inferior to 3rd strike or Capcom vs Snk 2 or why Blazblue is a downgrade from Guilty gear).

Modifié par spernus, 21 novembre 2009 - 10:50 .

[Arsaidh]

Raxtoren wrote...

Wait, "Edge" claimed that DA takes 30-hours to complete?
I finished it in 38, and I skipped tons of dialoges and side-quest.
How the F, did they finish it in 30 hours?
They must have done the main story on casual and skipped tons of stuff.

I call bullsh energy-rich high-yield all-natural organic fertilizer.

Maybe they played for all of three hours before writing the review. "Huh, just finished this Oyster-Garr place, I guess I'm... perhaps ten percent of the way through, maybe? Ah, well, can't waste any more time actually playing the game, I've got three other reviews to write this week."

(This sort of thing is distressingly common among game reviewers.)

[JaegerBane]

Solica wrote...

Umm, actually, Edge is a "games industry
journal" for those parts of the "industry" who consider games like
Bayonetta (10/10 btw) to be the future of video gaming. And who are
constantly concerned and always confused by the ongoing failure of
Japan's game industry to make an impact in the west.
I believe
Future Publishing is funneling sums of money through a "service"
company they run, from Sony, Nintendo and others, since the last
reorganization, and I believe that is the only thing keeping Edge
alive. Of course, that is just slander. I haven't been able to sniff
out any proof. So of course you should disregard it. It's just what I
believe, after all. I mean, I might believe in doomsday 2012, UFOs etc.
(I don't, but if I did, I could tell you that I believe it.)

I
do agree with Seraosha that the reviews or reviewing are hardly treated
seriously by Edge. But after featuring reviews in their magazine almost
as a hindsight, they then later make an awful lot of deal about their
reviews, in various contexts. I don't think Edge's reviews are sloppy
or written by incompetents. But I do believe they are political.
Industry political. From the viewpoint of people who grew up with
Nintendo and Mario as the center of the video gaming world.
"Opinion" Seraosha called it. And that's of course also true. I just called it politics to give it a derogatory slant.

To be honest, this is probably the most succinct, most insightful description of Edge I've seen in a while. Yes, it is a game journal. The thing that gets my goat is they've long had this odd concept of doing 'reviews on the side', i.e.  tacking on a review to presumably up their readership. While it's all very well saying that Edge's reviews are sideshows, it doesn't really change the fact that they *are* still reviews all the same, and if they don't put the same kind of work into them that other sources may, it's not a case of them being 'edgy' or whatever, they're just being amateurish.

On the side, Edge do have a rather despairing obsession with japanese gaming concepts and anything that doesn't follow them is treated suspiciously.

kungfusam wrote...

Maybe the reason you've never heard of Edge is due to fact that its decent mag rather then some trash that rates every game 9/10

I mean none of you have a decent example of why it deserves a higher score, other then the fact that Bioware made

Just except that Dragon Age is a fanboy game, only fanboys are enjoying, only fanboys could enjoy it

Oh god, are you still here? What;s the matter, have the WoW servers broken down and you've got nowt better to do than post tripe in the mean time?

Modifié par JaegerBane, 21 novembre 2009 - 11:13 .

[addiction21]

kungfusam wrote...

Maybe the reason you've never heard of Edge is due to fact that its decent mag rather then some trash that rates every game 9/10

I mean none of you have a decent example of why it deserves a higher score, other then the fact that Bioware made

Just except that Dragon Age is a fanboy game, only fanboys are enjoying, only fanboys could enjoy it

Do you need a hug?

[Sirsmirkalot]

I'm Swedish, and even I know about Edge, it was a magazine people even imported over here.

I've never heared of Edge the past 10 years, and I live in Europe.

[Oliver Sudden]

Seraosha wrote...

Hi, I'm Seraosha and I'm a subscriber to Edge magazine.

...You guys need to stop worrying so much.

But you don't understand! A game I like got a bad score! My esteem is hurt and crumbling!