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[Aryndarr]

I agree 5/10 is too low, but I will say that the PC version is far superior to the console versions. Resolution and textures aside, the stunted combat/camera makes the PC version stand well above the consoles unfortunately. I wish it weren't so. In fact I sold my 360 version and got it for PC after trying my mates PC version.



http://social.biowar...285346/1#285541



a post I made earlier on the topic

[SheffSteel]

Wake me up next time Edge gives a western RPG 5/10... based on their track record so far, I'm going to love it.

Modifié par SheffSteel, 23 novembre 2009 - 10:13 .

[Inhuman one]

odd that they gave neverwinter nights 2 an 8. Dragon Age is without a doubt superiour to that.



And KOTOR II a 7? thats alright I suppose but if KOTOR II receives a 7, NWN2 would receive a 4 if you need to compare the two.



NWN2 lacked all that was good about NWN1 being an easy to use toolset, easy to connect multiplayer, horses, an almost infinite amount of armor/clothing appearance combinations and a good camera system.



Next to that it suffers from the most exessive censorship I ever saw in a game, the playable races all look ugly as hell, an extremely linear singleplayer experience which conflicts with most character backgrounds, and I doubt I ever saw more bugs in another game at the day of release.



Sorry for the rant, I am just still pissed at Obsidian for messing up a sequel to my favorite game to date. It could have been so beautifull.



And of course it cant rate higher than Dragon Age. Now I am curious though, what grades did Edge give to Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate 1 & 2?

[Badface]

NWN2's toolset is pretty damn similar to NWN1's. What exactly did you find more difficult to use?



They gave NWN1 9/10, BG2 8/10 and Jade Empire 7/10 if the scores that have been thrown around this thread are correct. I can personally vouch for the NWN score. For some reason I thought NWN2 got 6/10 but I might be wrong.



KotOR 2 might've been fixed by patches since launch, but a lot of the review's criticisms were focused on the badly engineered state it launched in. There were some interminable loading times and bugs.

[Inhuman one]

KOTOR2 has an alright story although not on the scale of KOTOR1, its just not that epic and does not manage to step out of its shadow, mostly because of the unfinished state of the game which becomes very appearant at the rushed ending.



NWN2 has a terrible toolset compared to NWN1. You can do in minutes in the NWN1 toolset what would require hours in the NWN2 toolset. The interface often gets in the way, it just seems as if the NWN2 toolset would require two monitors. You also need to bake areas and all that, and it took several patches before they finally added a desperatly needed undo button.

[Bootsykk]

I wouldn't let it bother you. Gaming magazines tend to be extremely biast, since they're rating a game on how well they liked it themselves. For example, one magazine game the RPG Tales of Symphonia a 2.5/10, saying that the art style is overrated and thus made it a terrible game.

[JaegerBane]

Seraosha wrote...
Ultimately, you can pull out any set of Edge review scores and see what you want to see. The same for any website or publication actually. Rather than there being any great conspiracy however, I would say that they simply reviewed DA, gave it the score they felt it deserved and that's that. The same for everything else.

While I don't personally believe all this talk about conspiracy, I don't think Edge has anyone but itself to blame when it gives out such jarringly inconsistent grades as it does.

And lets be honest, no-one on here is denying that Edge reviewed DA:O and gave it a score they felt it deserved. The problem people are having is that it's handing out top-end scores for games that realistically don't deserve them, and vice versa for games that are generally considered to be far better.

In the end, two heads are better than one, and Metacritic has a lot more than two. The individual worth of opinion aside, when 50 articles claim it's great, and one claims it's mediocre, statistically the one by itself is going to be the one under suspicion.

[Cadarin]

Just thought I'd add myself to the hundreds who have never heard of Edge magazine. Judging by the scores it gave the other Bioware games, as well as The Witcher it is clearly written by people who wouldn't know a decent game if it bit them on the ass.

[Shinji Ex]

I trust an agree with G4TV Xplay reviews

[blitzzz]

what is edge? seriously, looking at some of their past reviews says enough.

Modifié par blitzzz, 24 novembre 2009 - 11:42 .

[kungfusam]

Well Edge has always been about the more mature gamer, the ones that care about the actual gameplay



can see why you wouldn't agree with them

[Broloc]

Raxtoren wrote...

Thats right, but when the biggest magazine in the industry givs it 5/10 ... shocking... jeez.
Im the bioware/dao basher here, and I would even give DAO a 9/10.
Not saying everyone has to agree, but anything below an 8 is just a joke.

biggest mag according to who? are you an editor for that magazine or something? Same like most others here, I've never really heard of Edge before reading this thread. Edge is irrelevant just because of that.

[Sinogue360]

Sheylan wrote...

Aerundel wrote...

Pasted from another board:

"Past Edge WRPG scores for reference:

Mass Effect - 7/10
Jade Empire - 7/10
KotOR - 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 8/10
The Witcher - 5/10
Morrowind - 6/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Fallout 3 - 7/10
Diablo - 7/10
Diablo II - 6/10 "

These scores make no sense.... The Witcher at FIVE? I havnt played it, but I have heard it is fantastic.

Morrowind under Oblivion and Diablo over Diablo II??!! Wtf?
Fallout 3 over Morrowind *puke*.
At least they gave KOTOR a good score, but ME and Jade Empire got Robbed.

Also, I have been a gamer for more than a decade now (And my head just exploded when I realized, that at the ripe old age of 18 I have been doing ANYTHING for "more than a decade") and I have never heard of Edge. Silly Brits.

I feel pretty much the same way.  Never played Witcher, but my former roommate played the "Enhanced Edition" and thought it was pretty good (we have very similar tastes in games) and there's no way anyone with any concept of story/gameplay in an RPG would pick Oblivion over Morrowind.  I like both games, but Morrowind was far superior for it's time, I put probably 200+ hours into that vs 80+ in Oblivion.  Diablo over Diablo II?  After playing Diablo II it's almost impossible to go back (I tried, once.  Lasted 20 minutes) to Diablo because the sequel was so vastly superior. 

KotoR and Mass Effect are the only scores I can possibly agree with.  KotoR was at least a 9/10 (I may have given it a 10/10 personally as it's one of my favorite games of all time, but I'm also infected with a huge Star Wars bias) and ME was a pretty good game, but if I were going to give KotoR a 9 then ME was worthy of no more than a 7, since it was definitely a couple steps down in fun/story/gameplay.

Also, I'm one of those people who had never heard of Edge before hearing about their DAO review.

[Kalamity_Jones]

Mkay, I read through most of this topic and there are some really well-written things but don't expect to much from me, not to good at all this.. But! Edge, I have heard of them a few times, but never read the magazine, actually 98% of all the magazines mentioned hear.. I never read.. or heard of. From what I'm hearing they are biased.. Anti-WRPG Pro-JRPG and FPS. This is perfectly fine, let them post what they want in their magazines. if its an opinionated magazine, then they're doing their job, right? If it's supposed to be an Un-Biased magazine.. then disregard it. I mean to me it's fairly simple. If it's supposed to be an unbiased review magazine, then don't buy it, or take anything they say seriously towards DA:O if the review given was biased so much. If it's a magazine that is opinionated and stands for a group of people with similar opinions, which in that case, may care alot as to what they say about a game, they might want to play.. but might not hit on their particular taste (FPS or JRPG.) Then this magazine just saved them 60 bucks or euro's or whatever from buying a game they would not like? The people in this thread whom have subscribed, or respect this magazine agree that this game is good, one of them (Can't remember his name.. but I see him everywhere, you think i'd remember it by now ) said that this game didn't deserve what it got. They agree cause to them, this game not hitting on certain taste of their's and fellow peer's so this got what it deserved in their opinions. I personally, would give the game a seven, or maybe an eight. If I wrote a review, it would be accepted by more people who enjoy WRPG's cause my taste is similar to theirs, while other would disagree and say it needs lower, cause they prefer more JRPG's or a more FPS based game. Vice Versa, the JRPG's players would give a JRPG a higher score, then a WRPG player would. Both are right in their respective group. Honestly finding a magazine that is unbiased would be insane hard, nay, I would say even impossible. Maybe a very large magazine, but then I would kinda expect a few reviews of the same game from different types of gamers (FPS, RTS, RPG, ect, ect.)

Now, sorry for the wall of text.. so lemme see if I can summarize it kinda..

-JRPG reviews.. by JRPG players (Edge, I guess) will be better then if it was reviewed by WRPG's players.
They are right, cause they know what they want out of a JRPG.

-WRPG reviews.. by WRPG players (Umm.. help me out on a magazine? Lol) will be better then if it was reviewed by JRPG players. These people are right cause they know what they want out of WRPG.

-JRPG players review a WRPG, incase maybe some might wanna cross-over for a bit and try a WRPG out.
Got a bad score, which is justified in their opinion.. imma say that again, opinion.. one more time opinion. OPINION, to be a 'ehh, s'alright.' game for someone who prefers JRPG's. Or FPS, or whatever tickles your pickle.

-Same this can happen with a JRPG being reviewed by WRPG players. Copy - paste above comment and swap WRPG and JRPG.

My attempt, I feel it turned out good. Now get back to making comments that make me drool at the keyboard cause I can't quite understand them. <3

[Elphaba]

The console version is severely lacking in many ways. I can understand giving it a lower score than the PC version. I have both PC and xbox versions, and it is like two different games in some ways. But the writing and the voice acting are still there. But five out of ten is a bit dramatic however many points I would deduct for the console version's shortcomings.

[french lies]

Edge are decent writers but honestly, their scores are just as much about preserving their image as anything else. Game reviewers are a dime a dozen and they need to stand out somehow, hence they'll pan quality games for superficial reasons like graphical quality or nebulous demands like "originality". They'd be OK in my book were it not for the fact that when the mega-releases like GTA, Halo and Uncharted roll around, Edge forfeit their standards like the rest of the gaming "press".

[Aryndarr]

Elphaba wrote...

The console version is severely lacking in many ways. I can understand giving it a lower score than the PC version. I have both PC and xbox versions, and it is like two different games in some ways. But the writing and the voice acting are still there. But five out of ten is a bit dramatic however many points I would deduct for the console version's shortcomings.

.../Agreed

[GravityParade]

All magazines are part of a losing media model that depends on the advertising $$ of the benefactors of whom it is writing about/reviewing.

If Bioware got a bad review in a magazine, then the first thing that comes to my mind is that EA neglected to buy the 9/10 review.

Now I've never heard of "Edge" magazine and I'm sure there's a lot more people who never heard of it, than think it's a very important volume -- but those who think the latter are delusional and fail to understand that the only place where  print magazines do belong is literally on the toilet.

Modifié par GravityParade, 25 novembre 2009 - 05:09 .

[GravityParade]

Modifié par GravityParade, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:58 .

[TheDoverDemon]

Somehow this doesn't surprise me. After all, they gave Halo 3 a 10/10. At the end of the day it's just someone's opinion though.

[JaegerBane]

TheDoverDemon wrote...

Somehow this doesn't surprise me. After all, they gave Halo 3 a 10/10. At the end of the day it's just someone's opinion though.

Irrespective of what magazine it is, any publication that honestly feels justified giving Halo 3 10/10 regardless of what other scores it gives is clearly not one that has reviews worth reading. I'm no Halo hater... but for Pete's sake, 10/10? That's effectively saying it's flawless!

[Inhuman one]

The Halo games form a solid franchise aside from Halo wars. They are quite good but do suffer from their own hype.



The gameplay is great fun, but the story is pathedic. Its great for co-op though.



Personly I would say Halo3 is an 8/10. A solid game that adds some new weapons, vehicles and all that. Not a revolutionary sequel but simply a good continuation of the franchise.



As for Dragon Age, I do expect better from Bioware at some parts but mostly its an enjoyable game. I would give it an 8.5/10. Might be low for a Bioware fan but some others where just better.



If I where to grade all Bioware games I played it would be like this:



Neverwinter Nights: 10/10

Knights of the Old Republic: 9.5/10

Jade Empire: 9/10

Mass Effect: 8/10

Dragon Age: 8.5/10



While Dragon Age is a good game, Bioware played too much on safe. They did not introduce anything truly new with it, something they havent done before. The Origins are too underwhelming and have too little impact outside the origin and a specific part that involves your origin. A dwarf commoner somehow has quite some knowledge of the surface world for example while they never been to the surface and would not have acces to libraries and may not be able to read.



To me its a slight improvement from Neverwinter Nights where they react on your race and class sometimes. I expected a lot more than that after Jade Empire and Mass Effect. and the way it was discussed in interviews and such.

[Anrim]

I think I still have a copy of Next Generation somewhere.

But, honestly ANYONE that knows ANYTHING about

both Morrowind and Oblivion knows the former is leagues

better than the latter. Edge is a joke.

If you are going to respect anyone, why not PC Gamer?!

PC Gamer gave it a 94% and said "RPG of the decade"

while I wouldn't go that far, it seems more in tune than

some third rate mag that pays ppl to post comments on

a public forum.

[Anrim]

kungfusam wrote...

Well Edge has always been about the more mature gamer, the ones that care about the actual gameplay

can see why you wouldn't agree with them

... because Halo 3 is very popular amongst mature gamers.
~bursts out laughing~

[TheDoverDemon]

Inhuman one wrote...

While Dragon Age is a good game, Bioware played too much on safe. They did not introduce anything truly new with it, something they havent done before. The Origins are too underwhelming and have too little impact outside the origin and a specific part that involves your origin.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on the playing it safe part.  To quote Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw, "Dragon Age calls itself a dark fantasy.  It's rather cute really, like a D&D nerd getting his ear peirced because he fancies the goth girl who works a Starbucks".  Aside from the origins (which like you said are, "underwhelming and have too little impact") it's pretty much KotOR with dragons and lots of  blood (I'm playing the PS3 version, and although I've heard that the PC version is much better I've yet to play it since my PC sucks).  That being said, I love Dragon Age, I haven't spent this much time with a game since KotOR and I've been annoying the hell out of my firends by talking about it 24/7.  If I were to score it, I'd give it an 8/10.  It's got it's flaws (and plenty of them) but the overall expirence outweighs all of them.