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[nisallik]

So, pretty much Edge considers DAO one of the worst RPGs ever made. Maybe that is why I've never heard of them.

[Hurrrr]

amrose2 wrote...

This thread is full of fail

"The Edge is THE magazine of the industry" followed by 20+ posts saying "I've never heard of the edge"

Then some guy goes on to say "chill the fanboyism" while being a fanboy himself mindlessly defending this magazine nobody has heard of.

Honestly I'm surprised people even bother with magazines anymore.. They are all in somebody's pocket or super biased towards their own preferences..

Because its a UK based mag. ANYONE in the UK that reads the others will have heard of it. Its got a tiny circulation but an important one, and its more honest than the mainstream mags for the most part.

Only thing I trust nearly as well is anything written by Gillen :/

[deathwing200]

Raxtoren wrote...

jeeez, haha.
Wtf?!
I mean there is some problem with the console-version but 5/10?
Edge is like the most respected magazing in the business (along Famitsu)

Pretty sure Famitsu never gives negative reviews to Japanese games.

[Twitchmonkey]

Hurrrr wrote...
Because its a UK based mag. ANYONE in the UK that reads the others will have heard of it. Its got a tiny circulation but an important one, and its more honest than the mainstream mags for the most part.

Only thing I trust nearly as well is anything written by Gillen :/

Honestly stupid is still honest, so sure, I guess you have a point. I can go and watch a rugby match and give my honest opinion of the teams' strategies, but that doesn't mean I have an idea what I'm talking about.

[Hurrrr]

Draetor wrote...

5/10 DA:O
9/10 MW:2

It's simple really. Some people do not have a single creative bone in their body, and do not have a clear imagination to make any sort of fictional writing interesting to them. Instead, they resort to "instant gratification" guns and explosions to bring excitement into their life. These kinds of reviewers are the same people who have probably never read a fictional book in their life and liked it.

Some people are not blessed by The Maker to have the mental capability to enjoy a fictional story, whether it be movie, book or game. I feel sorry for them.

Nevermind then, your right.

Your right that a games magazine that writes articles about roguelike ascii rpgs can only see BOOM BAM BANG graphics and hates anything more complicated than "shoot this" and "shoot that".

Ill stfu and go back to the BG2 forums.

[Carrok7]

We're "not" talking about the wrestler named "Edge" from the WWE.

[anonygoose]

Reading their Wiki page they have a clear preference (in 10/10 scores) for FPS, third person action/adventure and platforming.



It really doesn't matter though. Its a single player game. I enjoy it. Doesnt matter whether anyone else does, cause it's not like I need you guys to populate servers.

[HighlandBerserkr]

anonygoose wrote...

"The Dragon Age review reads like the lead developer spit in the reviewer's coffee. They hate the dialogue and story, comparing it to Dan Brown. They say the battle gameplay is broken and complain about the graphics. There are a couple of comments that the PC version is better but clearly it's their opinion of the acting and story that dragged it down for both versions.

I think they must be playing a different version to mine. "

'bout halfway down http://boards.ign.co...67/187022692/p2 that page. Wow, Dan Brown, huh. Now if they'd said Mel Odom I might have been able to understand the score for that alone.

Ya thats pretty crazy, the Story, Acting and Dialougue is the best part of the game! its great, Just a matter of opinion i suppose:P i would like ot know what bands and movies the reviewer likes, then i would REALLY be able to tell if he has any sense of taste:P

[Rayean]

....I've never even heard of EDGE, and I am an avid console (owning all of the consoles, more or less and quite a hefty game collection.) and pc gamer. In all reality, I do love Dragon age for bring back the flair in this game type, but I can also see it isn't perfect. FAR from a low 5/10, however....and the review itself reminds me of the Dead Space review by a reviewer who was partially deaf; not done by someone who is adequately qualified to review the genre.
...and really, what the hell is EDGE? I've heard of a myriad of review magazines but never this one.

[Seifz]

Here's another game that Edge scored higher than Dragon Age: Origins!



Super Mario Stadium: Family Baseball [Wii] - 6

[deathwing200]

Another Britard review magazine. Nothing to see here.

[Twitchmonkey]

Seifz wrote...

Here's another game that Edge scored higher than Dragon Age: Origins!

Super Mario Stadium: Family Baseball [Wii] - 6

I'm still looking for an FPS that got less than an 8, I guess all of them are just fantastic and I haven't noticed.

Edit: Ah, there we are! Red Steel apparently got a 5, apparently making it as good on a contribution to the FPS genre as DA was to the RPG genre, even though it has a 63 on metacritic vs DA:O's 91.

Modifié par Twitchmonkey, 21 novembre 2009 - 03:30 .

[Seifz]

Carrok7 wrote...

We're "not" talking about the wrestler named "Edge" from the WWE.

But some of us are talking about the famous guitar player from U2!  I think there's even a picture of the fellow on the first page! 

[anonygoose]

deathwing200 wrote...

Another Britard review magazine. Nothing to see here.

If that's what the honestly though, then good on them.  Clearly, they're not much into RPGs, but perhaps they know their readership don't really like these random-chance games either.  It would explain why they like Oblivion over Morrowind, as the combat is more ... "skill" based rather than "luck" based as it is in morrowind.

If they thought it was a five, good for publishing that.  It seems far too common that every major review by a magazine or website follows the lead of the first opinion published.

I don't agree with EDGE at all, but if that's what they want to tell their readers, then that's fine.

[Beertastic]

"Biggest name in magazines"? Sorry, I've been playing games for 15 years and been subscribed to at least two dozen different gaming magazines, and never even heard of these guys. If it's a European magazine, it's no surprise, EU/AU reviewers are for the most part idiots, no offense to the countries themselves.

[Sheylan]

Aerundel wrote...

Pasted from another board:

"Past Edge WRPG scores for reference:

Mass Effect - 7/10
Jade Empire - 7/10
KotOR - 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 8/10
The Witcher - 5/10
Morrowind - 6/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Fallout 3 - 7/10
Diablo - 7/10
Diablo II - 6/10 "

These scores make no sense.... The Witcher at FIVE? I havnt played it, but I have heard it is fantastic.

Morrowind under Oblivion and Diablo over Diablo II??!! Wtf?
Fallout 3 over Morrowind *puke*.
At least they gave KOTOR a good score, but ME and Jade Empire got Robbed.

Also, I have been a gamer for more than a decade now (And my head just exploded when I realized, that at the ripe old age of 18 I have been doing ANYTHING for "more than a decade") and I have never heard of Edge. Silly Brits.

Modifié par Sheylan, 21 novembre 2009 - 03:43 .

[Hurrrr]

Beertastic wrote...

"Biggest name in magazines"? Sorry, I've been playing games for 15 years and been subscribed to at least two dozen different gaming magazines, and never even heard of these guys. If it's a European magazine, it's no surprise, EU/AU reviewers are for the most part idiots, no offense to the countries themselves.

Err...give me Eurogamer anyday. Oh, and clearly from the below, all americans are corrupted to the point of uselessness when it comes to reviewing games.

Mong

http://uk.gamespot.c...ws/6183666.html

[RedShft]

Nyuneko wrote...

First of all, reviews merely reflect one person/group's opinion, which is why it is always good to read several reviews, actually reading the context and forget about the silly score. Prior to ordering this game, I read several online reviews, despite the high scores they gave the game, they all agreed that the console version is poorly done compare with the superior pc version, which is probably something you wouldn't pick up if you only read the score.

Then onto my next point. The 360 version is indeed far inferior to the pc version, I cannot speak for PS3, but after playing the 360 version(my pc ain't good enough), I do agree with reviewers on that. The control as well; if you have actually taken the time to read the various reviews avaliable, instead of just trying to reassure yourself by counting the number of 10/10 review; most reviewers(again, even those who gave high score) have agreed that pc control is far better than console version, and having played the game on 360, I will have to agree as well. And I don't think I need to get to the graphics comparison here.

Next we have the standardised fantasy setting... Which I can foresee people arguing that elves aren't the superior race anymore thus making the setting unique, while I do agree, but the fundamental hasn't changed: Humans are always the balanced race, and they aren't the first to make human the selfish discriminating race(off topic: +10 for realism however!) in RPG; elves are always either the magey race or the archery race; and dwarves are always the strengthy race. Usual story with the world ending and the hero is the only one able to ending it, blah blah blah(Go read reviews, plenty of reviews have said the same thing despite giving good score). And a rather traditional approach to gameplay, etc etc...

Don't get me wrong however, I do enjoy the game very much, but I don't believe that just because I enjoy the game I will have to ignore all the flaws or even embrace them, that would just make me ignorant; beside, if everyone are just blindly praising the game and not giving any constructive critism, then how will game dev(or any developer) be able to improve? Though I am not very sure about the 5/10 score, even with all consideration of the flaws in the console version, I would still say the game is worth higher than that. However, at the end of the day, it's just the opinion of an individual, just as you and I are entitled to our own opinion, they are as well. And may I repeat myself: this is why you read the review content and not just the score.

PS. Don't compare Famitsu to Edge, please... You make Edge very very sad.

Here's my response, I am confident that the inferiorities of the 360 version do not warrant a 5/10. Reviews are supposed to be objective and not based upon someones opinion. An opinion is something that is not right or wrong, so it is difficult to attach a rating to it or even respect the ratings if it is indeed an opinion. What reviews are influenced by is bias, that is something that cannot be avoided but should at least be acknowledged.

Many of the flaws people point out about this game are inconsequential. I have not encountered any bugs that are gamebreaking, immersionbreaking, or storybreaking. The standardized fantasy setting is not a flaw, there is always a standard, whether a standard for traditional fantasy games or for untraditional fantasy games. There is a standard for nearly EVERYTHING. The standard fantasy setting is a developer STYLE rather than a flaw.

Lastly, any good developer would take every review with a critical eye, a review is an outside viewpoint, while helpful it isn't the end all of viewpoints of the game. Good developers listen to a wide range of sources, reviews, customers, employees (of bioware) and other developers.

The score is as important as the review content, or more so. When an individual looks at a review, the first thing they look at is the score. Some people might not even look past the score, excellent or horrible. A score isn't relative either, 9/10 is always better than a 5/10 regardless of what is in the review.

[guru7892]

I think Edge had a good score for DAO based on how they graded. I just don't think that Edge grades DAO the way most people that play DAO would grade it.



I think the breakdown is on narrative, I think Edge grades very much on gameplay but not on story, and honestly DAOs gameplay is preceived to be unbalanced. while much of the combat is challenging its not particularly interesting, there are few real puzzles (compared to game time), the game world is mostly interacted with by moving, looting, talking or attacking. skill ckecks arn't really good game design. Chances are if you rate gameplay over story, you probably arnt gonna want to do a lot of talking.



Edge fairly graded DAO on all of its negative points (and in accordence to how they grade games).



DAO has one of the most un-interesting gameplay expereinces I've ever had. But I absolutly love to hate the human arls, and I feel like I should (elven rogue). The story is quite good ( a little long and sometimes breaks its style but good). they took some good steps to allow the player to dive the story. I think the game (when graded on gameplay and story) should get an 8. If I was grading just on story I would give it a 9.5 for sometimes breaking style and being rather long.

[Terwox_]

Well, you can't please everyone, edge is living proof off that. Now that we have the exception that confirms the rule we can keep on playing and enjoying the game.

[RedShft]

Being long is a good thing considering the recent trends with singleplayer game length.

[Sheylan]

guru7892 wrote...

I think Edge had a good score for DAO based on how they graded. I just don't think that Edge grades DAO the way most people that play DAO would grade it.

I think the breakdown is on narrative, I think Edge grades very much on gameplay but not on story, and honestly DAOs gameplay is preceived to be unbalanced. while much of the combat is challenging its not particularly interesting, there are few real puzzles (compared to game time), the game world is mostly interacted with by moving, looting, talking or attacking. skill ckecks arn't really good game design. Chances are if you rate gameplay over story, you probably arnt gonna want to do a lot of talking.

Edge fairly graded DAO on all of its negative points (and in accordence to how they grade games).

DAO has one of the most un-interesting gameplay expereinces I've ever had. But I absolutly love to hate the human arls, and I feel like I should (elven rogue). The story is quite good ( a little long and sometimes breaks its style but good). they took some good steps to allow the player to dive the story. I think the game (when graded on gameplay and story) should get an 8. If I was grading just on story I would give it a 9.5 for sometimes breaking style and being rather long.

So essentialy they graded DA:O like an action adventure game or shooter? Yes... all becomes cle-Wait what?! That makes no sense whatsoever. Actualy, it sounds like a massive cop-out.

[Solmyr2000]

Aerundel wrote...
Morrowind - 6/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Fallout 3 - 7/10

Morrowind < Fallout 3 < Oblivion? LOL
They do it wrong
Morrowind > Fallout 3 > Oblivion

[Sheylan]

Solmyr2000 wrote...

Aerundel wrote...
Morrowind - 6/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Fallout 3 - 7/10

Morrowind < Fallout 3 < Oblivion? LOL
They do it wrong
Morrowind > Fallout 3 > Oblivion

QFT

EDIT: Actualy Morrowind > F3 = Oblivion

I would have a hard time choosing between the two honestly... Fallout 3 has better gameplay probably, but Oblivion has a bigger more interesting world (Also, a rather better story, but both are fairly lackluster here).

Modifié par Sheylan, 21 novembre 2009 - 07:43 .