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[RedShft]

Sheylan wrote...
So essentialy they graded DA:O like an action adventure game or shooter? Yes... all becomes cle-Wait what?! That makes no sense whatsoever. Actualy, it sounds like a massive cop-out.

Right, a game should be reviewed for what it is offering not what reviewer feels like. The story is a massive part of this game, to exclude it from a review is just idiotic.

[feroxthegreywarden]

DLC On The Disc wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Perhaps EA didn't pay them enough.

I don't know if you were joking, but this could seriously be the reason why.

It's why I haven't respected gaming magazines in years.

bingo...


many years ago when I started seeing PC Gamer give good reviews to the crap the big borg companies like EA were putting out, I realized that it had become all about money. Reviews are now basically a joke written by one hack or another.

that being said.. DA:O is very very hyped and advirtised so people are all foaming about the mouth over it.. I don't believe this game deserves a 9 out of 10, but like a previous person said, atleast a 6 or 7. I'd like to see Bioware get away from the same old game systems and try some more unique stuff in the future.

[Sheylan]

Oh, and rating a Diablo game-ANY Diablo game- a 6/10 is downright CRIMINAL. I mean, I hate to say it, but Diablo pretty much CREATED an entire genre single-handedly...

[spernus]

Edge is an exception to the rule.



They can easily punish games like The witcher or Dragon age for having elves and dwarves or can praise Jade empire because of the "unique" setting.In their review of Mass effect,they were bashing the game and playing the armchair developer card to the point of telling how Bioware should of designed the game.



They have a bias toward certain genre,that's for sure.They aren't the biggest fans of western rpg or the dialogue or the roleplaying(they hate seeing gaming as being super nerdy and western rpg are among the biggest culprit for them)or the loot obsessed games like Diablo either.

[Druscylla]

Well it was said to be a UK mag, I'm in the US so I won't sound stupid for not having read it. Heard of it but haven't read it. I have read gaming mags here, and a lot here have a review written by multiple people. The thing is though, if you are a person who only likes FPS or simulators, you might not like RPGs. I don't think the review was fair, but I am biased as I like a very broad scope of games. I like shooters now, but I didn't used to. But I began to play them and learned to appreciate them and enjoy them. They are fast paced, there is little time to really get bored, and I didn't have a ton of puzzles to solve or anything.



But RPGs are different. You must sit through cutscenes and listen to at least some of the dialog, there are things you have to figure out and most of us that love RPGs can immerse ourselves - at least partially - in the story. But if you aren't that type of person, you aren't going to be able to be immersed in the story and it could seem more tedious. The "I don't play games to READ stuff" types don't care as much for them. I haven't seen the review, but a 5 does seem low. Even by RPG hater standards.

[Sheylan]

spernus wrote...

Edge is an exception to the rule.

They can easily punish games like The witcher or Dragon age for having elves and dwarves or can praise Jade empire because of the "unique" setting.In their review of Mass effect,they were bashing the game and playing the armchair developer card to the point of telling how Bioware should of designed the game.

They have a bias toward certain genre,that's for sure.They aren't the biggest fans of western rpg or the dialogue or the roleplaying(they hate seeing gaming as being super nerdy and western rpg are among the biggest culprit for them)or the loot obsessed games like Diablo either.

And this is pretty much the problem. The basic criteria for rating any game in any sort of objective manner is QUALITY.

Is the game fairly bug free/playable? Yes? Give em a four by default
Are the graphics "clean" (i.e. normal looking, not blurry or crappy or abnormaly poor framerate)
Thats a five.
Is the game even SOMEWHAT entertaining to play?
Thats a six.
JUST by that definition Dragon Age deserves a better score than it got... and that is ignoring the story, length, and the pretty damn fun combat. And the production value, voice acting, art, writing, and so forth are FAR above "passable".

[Sheylan]

Druscylla wrote...

Well it was said to be a UK mag, I'm in the US so I won't sound stupid for not having read it. Heard of it but haven't read it. I have read gaming mags here, and a lot here have a review written by multiple people. The thing is though, if you are a person who only likes FPS or simulators, you might not like RPGs. I don't think the review was fair, but I am biased as I like a very broad scope of games. I like shooters now, but I didn't used to. But I began to play them and learned to appreciate them and enjoy them. They are fast paced, there is little time to really get bored, and I didn't have a ton of puzzles to solve or anything.

But RPGs are different. You must sit through cutscenes and listen to at least some of the dialog, there are things you have to figure out and most of us that love RPGs can immerse ourselves - at least partially - in the story. But if you aren't that type of person, you aren't going to be able to be immersed in the story and it could seem more tedious. The "I don't play games to READ stuff" types don't care as much for them. I haven't seen the review, but a 5 does seem low. Even by RPG hater standards.

And why in gods name would you assign someone who DOSNT EVEN ENJOY rpgs to review one... that is just, well, stupid.

[Drag0n-RD]

Generally I only take two review sites into consideration, these are PC Zone (UK) & PC Gamer (UK). However Edge are generally quite respectable. Do keep in mind that they will have reviewed the game and played at least a large portion of it. Though western RPG's don't do well with Edge they like all of the JRPG crap so really they are not worth bringing up.
 
As someone else brought up from another topic over at ign:

Diablo II: 6/10
Diablo: 7/10
Mass Effect: 7/10
Jade Empire: 7/10
KotOR: 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2: 8/10 (How they could score KotOR higher than BG2 is way over my head.)
The Witcher: 5/10 (Again whaaaaat!?)
Morrowind: 5/10 (This was rated lower than Oblivion...and a few more dots...)
Oblivion: 8/10 ()

Sorry but Edge with WRPG's just suck.

Modifié par Drag0n-RD, 21 novembre 2009 - 07:59 .

[F-C]

i havent played this game on a console, but i can only imagine its rather clunky with a paddle and trying to micro manage your group and deal with inventory and everything else. i could be wrong, but it would seem like it to me from the console games i have played.

considering the review was for the console versions and most console style games are more action oriented instead of story based combined with what i said above could leave someone thinking this isnt a very a good game.

i honestly cant imagine trying to play this on a console system, it would just be annoying.

i love it on my pc though!

Modifié par F-C, 21 novembre 2009 - 08:03 .

[RedShft]

@Feroxthegreywarden: Lets see, there are several major reviewers from around the world that have given DA:O a 9/10 or higher. Several probably isn't even high enough, more like 20+. I don't normally ride on the writeups of reviewers but there is a small chance this game is as bad as you think it is if that many qualified reviewers, who more than likely review dozens of games a year, have come to the same conclusion on quality. You probably disliked DA:O simply because it was not the "unique stuff" you have hoped for, which in essence is not taking the game as it is but rather what you hoped it would be (preconcieved notions).



In addition, there should be a distinction between what you feel is fun and interesting and what is a well-made, well constructed game. If a review is based upon the former, being fun and interesting, rather than the later then this review is opinon; otherwise worthless (and yes to me, to me opinions are worthless, regardless of who it is from, give me the facts). In that case it would inform the reader about the reviewers preferences which is not in any way reviewing the gameplay mechanics, story, etc.



Successful reviewers, who would be well respected, isolate their preferences (what they find fun) in video games and take an objective viewpoint. This would mean that this same reviewer would be able to analyze games from different genres (regardless if they enjoy playing that genre or not!) and provide information to the readers about the positive and negative aspects of a game.



Reviewing a persons work is not an easy undertaking, it's not an activity where you can let your feelings, preferences and preconceived ideas bleed into the review.

[SurferX0]

It's a magazine...who cares if they are the biggest fish in a tiny pond the rest of us live in the 21st century and read things on the internet. Their subscriber base is probably insignificant compared to the number of frequent visitors to popular online video game review websites. If their staff and subscribers are more action/FPS fans then there is no way they would like this game anyway.

Modifié par SurferX0, 21 novembre 2009 - 08:03 .

[spernus]

Drag0n-RD wrote...

Generally I only take two review sites into consideration, these are PC Zone (UK) & PC Gamer (UK). However Edge are generally quite respectable. Do keep in mind that they will have reviewed the game and played at least a large portion of it. Though western RPG's don't do well with Edge they like all of the JRPG crap so really they are not worth bringing up.
 
As someone else brought up from another topic over at ign:

Diablo II: 6/10
Diablo: 7/10
Mass Effect: 7/10
Jade Empire: 7/10
KotOR: 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2: 8/10 (How they could score KotOR higher than BG2 is way over my head.)
The Witcher: 5/10 (Again whaaaaat!?)
Morrowind: 5/10 (This was rated lower than Oblivion...and a few more dots...)
Oblivion: 8/10 ()

Sorry but Edge with WRPG's just suck.

You can also add to this list:

Fallout: 7/10
Arcanum: 5/10
Vampire: The masquerade bloodlines: 6/10

Conclusion: wrpg stink,jrpg rules!

Final fantasy XII: 10/10

[Neil Decurio]

I'd probably say that Edge is very famous depending on your geography-- I had heard about it, and I believe I purchased one magazine, once.. but that doesn't make them the biggest in the industry to me. To be honest, I never make up my mind about a game before I research it a little more than reading a single source's review. I want to see some videos, screenshots, read what others have to say and ultimately I want to play it before I can truly make up my mind.

Anyways, I've always preferred taking a look at metacritic for a better overview and linking to reviews I might want to check out: http://www.metacriti...ragonageorigins (XBOX360 / PS3) - I typically also get a easier overview on wich sources just review one platform and slap a sticker on mirrored reviews and scores for the other platforms.

PS: I haven't bought a magazine since N64 days, that I can remember.

Modifié par Neil Decurio, 21 novembre 2009 - 09:20 .

[spernus]

SurferX0 wrote...

It's a magazine...who cares if they are the biggest fish in a tiny pond the rest of us live in the 21st century and read things on the internet. Their subscriber base is probably insignificant compared to the number of frequent visitors to popular online video game review websites. If their staff and subscribers are more action/FPS fans then there is no way they would like this game anyway.

Edge <3 japanese rpg.

Final fantasy XII: 9/10
Final fantasy X-2: 7/10
Blue dragon: 6/10
Dragonquest VIII: 8/10
Demon's soul: 9/10
Persona 4: 9/10

[screwoffreg]

So they are JRPG fanboys. Great. I personally can't stand most JRPG's as they are basically all on rails and have little choice other than grind some more. Also Morrowind badly rated? Lol, magazine opinion discounted.

[spernus]

Here's the proof that Edge doesn't care about wrpg:



Fable: 8/10

Fable 2: 9/10

[Naminator236]

Maybe they actually played enough of the game to see the bugs it has?

Maybe they just didnt get payed off by EA?

Maybe they just don't like throwing out 9s and 10s for every over hyped title so that the fanbois wont rage about it to them like every other review website/magazine/whatever?



Just some thoughts.

[Solmyr2000]

spernus wrote...
Fallout: 7/10
Arcanum: 5/10
Vampire: The masquerade bloodlines: 6/10

WHAAA-? Fallout is not 10/10? Arcanum and VTMB lower than 8/10? KILL THEM WITH FIRE

Modifié par Solmyr2000, 21 novembre 2009 - 09:04 .

[Seifz]

Naminator236 wrote...

Maybe they actually played enough of the game to see the bugs it has?
Maybe they just didnt get payed off by EA?
Maybe they just don't like throwing out 9s and 10s for every over hyped title so that the fanbois wont rage about it to them like every other review website/magazine/whatever?

Just some thoughts.

Yeah, those are interesting thoughts.  Too bad they don't really explain any of the bizarre scores that people have been posting in this thread.

I mean really, Wii Baseball is better than DA:O?  KotOR is better than BG2?  FFXII is a perfect 10/10?  They rate JRPGs and FPSs highly while they rate WRPGs poorly.  That sounds like a terrible magazine, to me.  They should probably hire at least one guy that likes WRPGs, no?

Bah.  Just another magazine that I've never heard of making up scores that don't seem logical.  It's too bad that I still can't actually read the review.

[Naminator236]

Seifz wrote...

Naminator236 wrote...

Maybe they actually played enough of the game to see the bugs it has?
Maybe they just didnt get payed off by EA?
Maybe they just don't like throwing out 9s and 10s for every over hyped title so that the fanbois wont rage about it to them like every other review website/magazine/whatever?

Just some thoughts.

Yeah, those are interesting thoughts.  Too bad they don't really explain any of the bizarre scores that people have been posting in this thread.

I mean really, Wii Baseball is better than DA:O?  KotOR is better than BG2?  FFXII is a perfect 10/10?  They rate JRPGs and FPSs highly while they rate WRPGs poorly.  That sounds like a terrible magazine, to me.  They should probably hire at least one guy that likes WRPGs, no?

Bah.  Just another magazine that I've never heard of making up scores that don't seem logical.  It's too bad that I still can't actually read the review.

The magazine is not an entity that has a mind of its own you know. I wonder how many people actually realize this? That magazine can have many different reviewers. You need to look at the actual reviewers and the actual review, not just the score. That is the reason it has such mixed scores. And in the end you also need to realize that a review is just an opinion, with a detailed explanation and reasoning for its score, nothing more. Those reviewers are entitled to their own opinion as much as anybody.

[casw265]

amrose2 wrote...

This thread is full of fail

  I agree.

[TheAlarmist]

Magazine? Really?

[Zenthar Aseth]

Edge gave MW2 9/10? I think it's quite telling..



Look at these scores. Compare user scores to "Official reviews"...



Xbox 360 MW2



http://www.metacriti.../modernwarfare2

User score 5.9



http://www.metacriti.../modernwarfare2 PS3..

5.4



http://www.metacriti.../modernwarfare2



PC.. maybe an all time low or something... 1.9



So.. it seems like the fans pretty much hated the game... and media was for some reason convinced it's the second coming of the Christ when it could be a fan made mod of MW1..

[Catsith]

spernus wrote...
Blue dragon: 6/10

....
Incredible. DA, worse than Blue Dragon according to them. 

[Vodrath]

I am beginning to regret buying the x360 version, as I believe I may have been able to run the PC version Should I swallow it and get the PC version, I really ask that myself. Thing is, I loved Mass Effect on the 360, it was very polished gameplay wise, and I just love playing games on my cutsey flatscreen, sitting on my sofa as opposed to sitting in front of my PC