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[DarthCaine]

In every ending I've seen the Chantry decides to lead an exalted march againts the dwarves.
If you help the dwarf brother, he gets killed and the chantry leads an exalted march
If you ignore that quest, the dwarf girl that goes to the circle makes it so that a circe of magi is made in the dwarf city. They decide to harbor apostates and the chantry leads an exalted march
What happens if you don't do both quests (or tell the dwarf girl to stay with her family and tell the brother you can't help him)
Is there an ending where the chantry doesn't lead an exalted march against the dwarves?

[KalosCast]

In my ending with the death of the brother only lead the Chantry to considering/threatening one. And if apostates are mages outside the Circle, how can a Circle of Magi harbor apostates?

[Taleroth]

They don't decide to lead an exalted march.



THEY CONSIDER leading an exalted march. Two quite different things.

[DarthCaine]

Whatever, is there an ending where don't CONSIDER leading an exalted march ?

[ReubenLiew]

Yes.

Put Bhelen on the throne.

[Taleroth]

DarthCaine wrote...

Whatever, is there an ending where don't CONSIDER leading an exalted march ?

Don't help Dagna or Burkel.

[The Angry One]

I'd love to see an Exalted March on Orzammar



Templars: Open the gates!



Dwarves: No.



Templars: But we're here to march on you, convert you to our chosen deity, take your riches and dissolve your nation!



Dwarves: No.



Templars: Please?



Dwarves: No!



Templars: Well we tried. Let's go back to Val Royeux and play ping pong!

[Varenus Luckmann]

It's funny how putting the most oppressive despot on the throne gives the best payoff. Seriously. Lord whatshisname is a weak, weak king. Bhelen may be a bastard, but he's what the dwarves need.

Apparently.

[DarthCaine]

KalosCast wrote...

In my ending with the death of the brother only lead the Chantry to considering/threatening one. And if apostates are mages outside the Circle, how can a Circle of Magi harbor apostates?

They establish a new circle of magi in the city, one that's outside of the chantry's power

[Loc'n'lol]

I suppose if you tell the girl to forget about her dreams and decline the missionary's offer, it doesn't happen.

But maybe the Chantry finds another excuse to consider an exalted march anyway xD

[DarthCaine]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Yes.
Put Bhelen on the throne.

Who you put on the throne doesn't make a difference, I've seen endings where Bhelen was king and the same thing happens

[Matterialize]

Other than apostates, wouldn't any magi in the Orzammar Circle just be dwarf scholars who can't even do magic?



What's the big deal, Chantry?

[DarthCaine]

Taleroth wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Whatever, is there an ending where don't CONSIDER leading an exalted march ?

Don't help Dagna or Burkel.

But, you don't know that for certain ...

[DarthCaine]

Matterialize wrote...

Other than apostates, wouldn't any magi in the Orzammar Circle just be dwarf scholars who can't even do magic?

What's the big deal, Chantry?

I think it's not just dwarves...

[The Angry One]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

I suppose if you tell the girl to forget about her dreams and decline the missionary's offer, it doesn't happen.
But maybe the Chantry finds another excuse to consider an exalted march anyway xD

They don't kneel to the Chantry's chosen sky pixie.
That's the only excuse any religion has ever needed...

[Taleroth]

DarthCaine wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Whatever, is there an ending where don't CONSIDER leading an exalted march ?

Don't help Dagna or Burkel.

But, you don't know that for certain ...

Is this a "just because it doesn't say they don't consider it, doesn't mean they don't consider it?"

Or are you presuming you know what choices I've made in my playthroughs?

[Loc'n'lol]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

It's funny how putting the most oppressive despot on the throne gives the best payoff. Seriously. Lord whatshisname is a weak, weak king. Bhelen may be a bastard, but he's what the dwarves need.
Apparently.

Yeah, apparently. I was puzzled by that too, at first. Seems like the dwarven caste system is reaching a point where it has to change one way or another, and either you put a king that is open to change (no matter how bad he is), or a revolution happens.

[DarthCaine]

Isn't there someone that rushed through the game and didn't complete those sidequests?

[DarthCaine]

Taleroth wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Whatever, is there an ending where don't CONSIDER leading an exalted march ?

Don't help Dagna or Burkel.

But, you don't know that for certain ...

Is this a "just because it doesn't say they don't consider it, doesn't mean they don't consider it?"

Or are you presuming you know what choices I've made in my playthroughs?

I'm assuming you helped one of them (or both of them) and you're guessing.
What DID you choose?

Modifié par DarthCaine, 21 novembre 2009 - 01:33 .

[DarthCaine]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

It's funny how putting the most oppressive despot on the throne gives the best payoff. Seriously. Lord whatshisname is a weak, weak king. Bhelen may be a bastard, but he's what the dwarves need.
Apparently.

The main question in that descision isn't who you like more, it whether you prefer the dwarves to stay the same or if they should change and integrate into the modern world

[Varenus Luckmann]

DarthCaine wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

It's funny how putting the most oppressive despot on the throne gives the best payoff. Seriously. Lord whatshisname is a weak, weak king. Bhelen may be a bastard, but he's what the dwarves need.
Apparently.

The main question in that descision isn't who you like more, it whether you prefer the dwarves to stay the same or if they should change and integrate into the modern world

To a pragmatic politician, perhaps, but to the average person, the candidate with the nicest beard wins.

Bhelen is an abrasive and unsympathetic bastard that doesn't shy away from murder, assassination or blackmail. Harrowmont(sp?) is thoughtful, honorable and apparently generally ill-suited for the rigors of dwarven politics.

I wonder if the decision to destroy the forge makes a difference. I want to preserve the forge for the obvious benefits, being a human nobleman, but I don't trust Bhelen not to shove every man, woman and child into the machine.

[DarthCaine]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

It's funny how putting the most oppressive despot on the throne gives the best payoff. Seriously. Lord whatshisname is a weak, weak king. Bhelen may be a bastard, but he's what the dwarves need.
Apparently.

The main question in that descision isn't who you like more, it whether you prefer the dwarves to stay the same or if they should change and integrate into the modern world

To a pragmatic politician, perhaps, but to the average person, the candidate with the nicest beard wins.

Bhelen is an abrasive and unsympathetic bastard that doesn't shy away from murder, assassination or blackmail. Harrowmont(sp?) is thoughtful, honorable and apparently generally ill-suited for the rigors of dwarven politics.

I wonder if the decision to destroy the forge makes a difference. I want to preserve the forge for the obvious benefits, being a human nobleman, but I don't trust Bhelen not to shove every man, woman and child into the machine.

Actually it does:
If you destroy it it's the same for both
If you side with Bhelen and preserve it, he wants Branka to make golems for him, but she refuses and barricades herself in the fortress
If you side with Harrowonth he uses the golems to defeat the rebelions (this is the only way his rule is a success) and decides to cut off the dwarves from the surface even more

Modifié par DarthCaine, 21 novembre 2009 - 10:10 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Awesome, thanks. Now I can continue with my devious plan (Side with Harrowmont/Keep Forge) well aware that it's all good and well.

[Majspuffen]

I remember destroying the forge, and putting Harrowmont on the throne. Things went to hell for the chantry dwarf, but it turned out okay for Dagna. Of course, the game could've glitched or something.

[Suron]

The Angry One wrote...

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

I suppose if you tell the girl to forget about her dreams and decline the missionary's offer, it doesn't happen.
But maybe the Chantry finds another excuse to consider an exalted march anyway xD

They don't kneel to the Chantry's chosen sky pixie.
That's the only excuse any religion has ever needed...

yep...and I think it's like that in game for a reason..there's a lot of similarities between The Maker and christianity's God...

and more people have been killed in the name of God then for any other reason EVER in human history..funny that