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[Varenus Luckmann]

Majspuffen wrote...

I remember destroying the forge, and putting Harrowmont on the throne. Things went to hell for the chantry dwarf, but it turned out okay for Dagna. Of course, the game could've glitched or something.

When something goes well for anyone in Dragon Age, something is glitched.

That being said, helping Dagna turns out well for her. The issue is that the Chantry considers leading an exalted march against Orzammar for harboring apostates in a rogue circle of magi, founded in Orzammar.

[DarthCaine]

Isn't there someone that rushed through the game and didn't complete any of those sidequests or someone that told the dwarf girl to stay with her family and told the brother he couldn't help him?

[grossebaff]

dont forget a thing about harrowmont and the forge... he crush the rebelion yes but it's start a war with Ferelden ...that's a bad thing if you ask me.

[grossebaff]

i tell the brother that i couldn't help him..and nothing happened

[DarthCaine]

grossebaff wrote...

i tell the brother that i couldn't help him..and nothing happened

Did you help the dwarf girl get into the circle of magi?

[grossebaff]

yes but she didint open a circle in orzammar

[DarthCaine]

grossebaff wrote...

yes but she didint open a circle in orzammar

Hmm... it looks like if Bhelen is king he lessens restrictions and anyone can come and go to Orzimmar and that's why they make a circle while Harrowmonth doesn't allow anyone in

Since Harrowmonth is a horrible king I'm still trying to find a way to put Bhelen on the throne and so that the chantry doesn't lead an exalted march

[The Angry One]

I say if they want to march, let them march!

Watch them beat their heads against the gates for a year, then get crushed by an army of golems and stocky, battle hardened with darkspawn dwarven warriors ftw!

[Ginnerben]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...
To a pragmatic politician, perhaps, but to the average person, the candidate with the nicest beard wins.

Bhelen is an abrasive and unsympathetic bastard that doesn't shy away from murder, assassination or blackmail. Harrowmont(sp?) is thoughtful, honorable and apparently generally ill-suited for the rigors of dwarven politics.

I wonder if the decision to destroy the forge makes a difference. I want to preserve the forge for the obvious benefits, being a human nobleman, but I don't trust Bhelen not to shove every man, woman and child into the machine.

I don't quite get this whole "Harrowmount is honourable" thing I keep hearing.  I chose Bhelen because I found that Harrowmount was bribing people to support him, with no intention of following through (Giving same offer to two+ people).  

For me, it came down to a simple choice: Progressive versus Conservative.  Either is willing to do what it takes to either create their ideal Dwarven world, or preserve it as it is.  

[Omecihuatl]

I don't quite get this whole "Harrowmount is honourable" thing I keep hearing.  I chose Bhelen because I found that Harrowmount was bribing people to support him, with no intention of following through (Giving same offer to two+ people).  

For me, it came down to a simple choice: Progressive versus Conservative.  Either is willing to do what it takes to either create their ideal Dwarven world, or preserve it as it is.  

Actually he's being framed for it by Bhelen to lose support from those nobles. If you go talk to the Shaper in their library/memory then he examines and determines that they're forgeries that have the real deals replaced with identical ones. Unless I'm mistaken.

But I went with Bhelen anyway, while playing a good character, because really.. So what if there's some minor stone-fisted rule for a while if it means breaking life-defining oppressive customs that have been forced upon the people since the dawn of their civilization. Really small prize to pay coupled with a king who isn't a ****-up and could actually assist properly in the Blight.

[Omecihuatl]

Edit: Wtf at these boards. Neither of the attempts actually showed up. Not even after refreshing or CTRL-F5 refreshing the page. Only after closing the thread and coming back here from the forum.

Modifié par Omecihuatl, 21 novembre 2009 - 04:20 .

[Ginnerben]

Omecihuatl wrote...

I don't quite get this whole "Harrowmount is honourable" thing I keep hearing.  I chose Bhelen because I found that Harrowmount was bribing people to support him, with no intention of following through (Giving same offer to two+ people).  

For me, it came down to a simple choice: Progressive versus Conservative.  Either is willing to do what it takes to either create their ideal Dwarven world, or preserve it as it is.  

Actually he's being framed for it by Bhelen to lose support from those nobles. If you go talk to the Shaper in their library/memory then he examines and determines that they're forgeries that have the real deals replaced with identical ones. Unless I'm mistaken.

But I went with Bhelen anyway, while playing a good character, because really.. So what if there's some minor stone-fisted rule for a while if it means breaking life-defining oppressive customs that have been forced upon the people since the dawn of their civilization. Really small prize to pay coupled with a king who isn't a ****-up and could actually assist properly in the Blight.

And this is why I like BioWare.  The whole question of "right" and "wrong" isn't ever harder than Orzammar, I think.  Thanks, can't wait to get there on my 2nd playthrough now.  

[DarthCaine]

Ginnerben wrote...

And this is why I like BioWare.  The whole question of "right" and "wrong" isn't ever harder than Orzammar, I think.  Thanks, can't wait to get there on my 2nd playthrough now.  

Still, The Witcher did the no right or wrong concept much better

[The Angry One]

Not really, the Witcher just paints everything in a thick coating of GRIMDARK and pretends that's moral ambiguity.

Also, Geralt is dull as dishwater. There I said it.

[Rovay]

The Angry One wrote...

Not really, the Witcher just paints everything in a thick coating of GRIMDARK and pretends that's moral ambiguity.
Also, Geralt is dull as dishwater. There I said it.

I think that was the part of the charm that Geralt had.

[DarthCaine]

I just saw a video where there was no text on the brother or the dwarf girl, so it looks like if you ignore the quests the chantry doesn't lead an exalted march.



I wonder whether the same thing happens if you tell the dwarf girl to stay with her family and you tell the brother you can't help him...

[Varenus Luckmann]

Omecihuatl wrote...

Edit: Wtf at these boards. Neither of the attempts actually showed up. Not even after refreshing or CTRL-F5 refreshing the page. Only after closing the thread and coming back here from the forum.

These boards are ****. My newest posts never show up, either. I have to exit the thread and re-enter it (refreshing doesn't do the trick) for the latest posts to show up.

Known issue. Blame EA.

It's sorta the same reason I double-post a lot. If I write something, copy it, and paste it together with another post (trying to quote multiple people in a single post, for example) results in it all looking wonky. So when people complain that I double-post; Blame EA.

[DarthCaine]

EDIT: nvm

Modifié par DarthCaine, 21 novembre 2009 - 07:39 .

[Rovay]

DarthCaine wrote...

Did anyone side with Bhelen, help the dwarf girl and help the dwarf brother?

I already helped the dwarf girl and the dwarf brother (the one who wants to create Maker's chantry, right?), and I'm considering to help Bhelen. I could tell you the consequences (that is if I'm beat to it).

[DarthCaine]

Rovay wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Did anyone side with Bhelen, help the dwarf girl and help the dwarf brother?

I already helped the dwarf girl and the dwarf brother (the one who wants to create Maker's chantry, right?), and I'm considering to help Bhelen. I could tell you the consequences (that is if I'm beat to it).

nvm, I just saw an ending like that, it's the same as the others: Bhelen rules good, the brother gets killed and the chantry considers a march, and the dwarf girl completes her studies (no mention of a circle in orzimmar or appostates)

[The Dead Milkman]

DarthCaine wrote...

In every ending I've seen the Chantry decides to lead an exalted march againts the dwarves.
If you help the dwarf brother, he gets killed and the chantry leads an exalted march
If you ignore that quest, the dwarf girl that goes to the circle makes it so that a circe of magi is made in the dwarf city. They decide to harbor apostates and the chantry leads an exalted march
What happens if you don't do both quests (or tell the dwarf girl to stay with her family and tell the brother you can't help him)
Is there an ending where the chantry doesn't lead an exalted march against the dwarves?

The chantry didn't lead an exalted march in my ending. I did both quests and the circle never opened a circle in orz.

[DarthCaine]

The Dead Milkman wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

In every ending I've seen the Chantry decides to lead an exalted march againts the dwarves.
If you help the dwarf brother, he gets killed and the chantry leads an exalted march
If you ignore that quest, the dwarf girl that goes to the circle makes it so that a circe of magi is made in the dwarf city. They decide to harbor apostates and the chantry leads an exalted march
What happens if you don't do both quests (or tell the dwarf girl to stay with her family and tell the brother you can't help him)
Is there an ending where the chantry doesn't lead an exalted march against the dwarves?

The chantry didn't lead an exalted march in my ending. I did both quests and the circle never opened a circle in orz.

Huh? How? Who did you support? How did you resolve those quests?

[Fulgrim88]

I was a bit disappointed by that. My character invoked an anulment on the Circle, putting the Templars in charge (who then declined the dwarven girls wish). I returned to Orzammar, to tell her that she'll have to speak to the Knight Commander in person (which would eventually decline again)

However, apparently she was accepted and established the Dwarven Circle nonetheless, which felt a bit unlogical.



(Being a dwarf and not believing in Andraste, i didn't help Burkel btw)