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[Walrusninja]

Isabella. I mean, she was just a very well written character. For me it was less the LI side and more just the story, trying to teach her values etc. hah. I loved the way her character developed and changed.

[FieryDove]

Torax wrote...

Bioware is getting better about it though with the icon to signify a flirt. In fact I hit a heart in my first game play without really thinking and it was the only reason Anders came on to my character. I realized the mistake and never hit it again. All those players who complain about him flirting with them probably made that same mistake. It's not a flaw on the developer's side. If you never flirt with Anders then he'll never flirt with you. In fact he is just his pissy normal self as long as you don't flirt with him. You can even support the mages and he still is pissy...

Sorry that is not correct. In the "talk to Anders" quest if you choose diplomatic responses he flirts with you. Your only options are two hearts and 1 broken heart. This goes for male and female Hawke's. This is with or without flirting in the talk after tranquility is over. So yes I can see why some might not like it.

I had to be very careful just being friendly in ME1 as a male to Ash and as a female talking to Jacob. No scratch that I gave up talking to him, my femshep was...weird just trying to talk to him. ugh

Also I don't see how Anders is pissy...but don't want to debate that, OT for thread.

[jamesp81]

I play a male Hawke. I prefer Merrill. Despite all the freaky blood mage stuff, she's just a nice girl.

[jamesp81]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I found the LI's in DA2 to be quite polarizing (as a few have suggested). Merrill seems to be one extreme (comes across as young and immature) while Isabela, while sexy, is more on the other extreme. Bethany seemed to be the most neutral personality yet she was a sibling.

I don't think that's a bad thing, though. As in life, you can't really chose the personalities of those you run into. Sometimes you run across people on either extreme. So, in this narrative, it is writer's prerogative.

My favorite was Morrigan...mysterious, sexy, elusive, defensive, yet wounded in a way. I think many guys find that fascinating. Something to do with the challenge of the "chase" which is part of our DNA. While Isabela shared some similar traits, she wasn't real elusive (if you know what I mean) and that eliminated a big part of the "chase" fun.

Just my 2 cents.

I went for Leliana in DAO, though.  Morrigan was intriguing, but there's more to a proper relationship than sexy time, and that's how I like to role play it.  With Morrigan, there was always an undercurrent of trust issues.  Leliana, however, was so pure hearted you never had to worry about where she stood.

I think that same "not worrying about where she stood" aspect is why I like Merril in DA2.  She's dorky, awkward, and adoreable, but she doesn't have any deceit about her.  I can even live with the freaky blood magic stuff as long as she promises I won't wake up one morning next to an abomination.

[jamesp81]

maxernst wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

About Fenris and Anders real quick: I never liked having either of them in party, let alone at the same time. Mostly because, while they have their reasons if you explore the story, they just aren't fun to be around. I can only take so much sullen moping and brooding. 7 years of it? Screw that. Fenris would at least have some lighter moments which made him bearable to my Mage Hawke. My Warrior and Rogue Hawkes never used him unless absolutely necessary. After my first play through Anders was only ever used for Anders specific missions. I would skip him altogether if wasn't because I hate missing out on experience points.

This is so much how I feel about Fenris and Anders.  They're just so bitter and hard to get along with.  I find Merrill's combination of hubris and naivete alarming, so Isabela's the only DA2 romance for me.  I think that (much like Zevran), her sexual talk is a way of fending off real intimacy.  Yes, she's self-centered, but she has a sense of humor, doesn't antagonize everybody around her, and lives in the real world.

So I think the female options in DA2 are better than the male ones, but agree with the OP that in general the romantic options in DA:O were more attractive.  The most likeable companions in DA2 for me were Varric and Aveline, neither of whom you can romance.

I don't dislike either character, but I do have to say, that I am pretty careful about where I take either of those two.  Frankly, having Fenris around mages or Anders around templars is more explosive than having Bethany around templars, and they've really got it in for her.

[PSUHammer]

jamesp81 wrote...
I went for Leliana in DAO, though.  Morrigan was intriguing, but there's more to a proper relationship than sexy time, and that's how I like to role play it.  With Morrigan, there was always an undercurrent of trust issues.  Leliana, however, was so pure hearted you never had to worry about where she stood.

I think that same "not worrying about where she stood" aspect is why I like Merril in DA2.  She's dorky, awkward, and adoreable, but she doesn't have any deceit about her.  I can even live with the freaky blood magic stuff as long as she promises I won't wake up one morning next to an abomination.

Well...I married a Leliana type so I am all for stability and knowing where you stand.  BUT, boy did I love chasing me some bad girls in my day.  :innocent:

[Waage25]

I did not like them.

Merrill was to stupid for my liking. Not naive, but directly mentally challenged. Like the Mine quest with the dragons she kept making stupid little comments in a AREA where horrible things had happened and was happening. You free this one guy and he tells you the horrors of the dragons and Merrill says "are we going to see a dragon" and i could fell the stupid hit me in the face.

Now Isabelle on the other hand reminds me of this 15 year old i ones ran into at a bar. She had sneaked into this bar and was hanging out with a few guys and some how she took a liking to me so she kept talking and trying to ramp up the "sexiness" to overcompensate for the fact that she was a little girl. Latter on she got to drunk and i took her home and left her with her parents.

[Sylvianus]

Waage25 wrote...

I did not like them.

Merrill was to stupid for my liking. Not naive, but directly mentally challenged. Like the Mine quest with the dragons she kept making stupid little comments in a AREA where horrible things had happened and was happening. You free this one guy and he tells you the horrors of the dragons and Merrill says "are we going to see a dragon" and i could fell the stupid hit me in the face.

I admit, I was facepalmed. <_<

The problem is that it's not even a question of child mentality, even if we are adults. It's really something emerging from the age of a child. As a friend, okay, but as a romance, it's very hard. That's why, I don't listen her when she speaks, to not break her darling's heart..

Modifié par Sylvianus, 21 juillet 2011 - 06:39 .

[Lilunebrium]

Being a girl, I can only guess what XY-folk find appealing about game romances, but after my fair share of playthroughs, I can't help but notice how disappointed I am when it comes to the love interests.

For female LI's, you've got the stereotypical pirate and the naïve girl-next-door, who to me seem like exact polar opposites. While both are wonderfully written, and while admitting that I do adore the two, it all pretty much feels like you get to choose either black or white, with nothing in between. If you actually prefer black, or white, then great. To me, it just feels like a pity if you actually prefer gray.

It's even worse for male LI's, where you pretty much only have black. You get to pick between the obsessed moody healer, or the resentful moody elf. Playing a straight female Hawke, I felt screwed. Dragon Age 2 has actually made me realize how much more I prefer light-hearted romance options instead. Sure, they can be troubled. Sure, they can have dark pasts. But having the personalities of both options being overpowered by their past experiences/trauma's/outlooks feels... I don't know. I'd say 'boring', but that feels like I'm attacking how they were written, which is the last thing I'm trying to do.

Imagine the cheers escaping me when I found out Sebastian was an optional romance, and the boo's flowing freely when discovering he's severely underdeveloped.

FitScotGaymer wrote...

if you take the time with Anders, try to ignore is painful whinyness (seriously people said Carth was whiny? Carth wasnt whiny! Not compared to this pain in the ass lol) and you get what I felt was the best romance out of the lot.

The following isn't necessarily directed at you, FitScotGaymer, nor is it meant as an attack to anyone in any way, but in my opinion, Anders has got to be the most disappointing romance of all four (indeed, I don't include Sebastian, whom I can't help but not count as an actual romance).

In as much as the second conversation with him (when you count the Tranquility interactions as one conversation, which I do), he puts you on the spot by admitting his romantic interest. In... what, the third or fourth conversation, he's going all "I'd drown us in a river of blood to keep you safe!". Immediately after the first sexual encounter, you have his "For three years I've spent every night aching for you!", which is actually preceeded by him requesting to move in with you. Aaand after that, you're done, pretty much.

I can't exactly say what's bothering me about it, but I think it's the utter lack of development. There pretty much is none. You meet Anders, and BAM, he's in love with you. No why given.

Here's hoping Dragon Age 3 won't have me producing a rant like this one.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 21 juillet 2011 - 07:18 .

[happy_daiz]

Lilunebrium wrote...

Imagine the cheers escaping me when I found out Sebastian was an optional romance, and the boo's flowing freely when discovering he's severely underdeveloped.

Sorry, that just made me LOL 

[N7M]

Merril seemed fake. Almost as though the personality she showed when calm was a representation of what she thought a personality should be. When she was angry and she lost control over her constructed personality, her true personality shone through; possibly racist with her pejorative use of 'shem' and mean-spirited.

Did her romance in a playthrough : thought her new armor was great, still didn't improve my opinion of her.


*Just thought I would add that I really do not see a strong resemblance between Merril and Tali at all. A few minor markers, sure, but they seem like very different characters to me.

Modifié par weirder, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:43 .

[Sylvianus]

Lilunebrium wrote...

Being a girl, I can only guess what XY-folk find appealing about game romances, but after my fair share of playthroughs, I can't help but notice how disappointed I am when it comes to the love interests.

For female LI's, you've got the stereotypical pirate and the naïve girl-next-door, who to me seem like exact polar opposites. While both are wonderfully written, and while admitting that I do adore the two, it all pretty much feels like you get to choose either black or white, with nothing in between. If you actually prefer black, or white, then great. To me, it just feels like a pity if you actually prefer gray.

It's even worse for male LI's, where you pretty much only have black. You get to pick between the obsessed moody healer, or the resentful moody elf. Playing a straight female Hawke, I felt screwed. Dragon Age 2 has actually made me realize how much more I prefer light-hearted romance options instead. Sure, they can be troubled. Sure, they can have dark pasts. But having the personalities of both options being overpowered by their past experiences/trauma's/outlooks feels... I don't know. I'd say 'boring', but that feels like I'm attacking how they were written, which is the last thing I'm trying to do.

Imagine the cheers escaping me when I found out Sebastian was an optional romance, and the boo's flowing freely when discovering he's severely underdeveloped.

FitScotGaymer wrote...

if you take the time with Anders, try to ignore is painful whinyness (seriously people said Carth was whiny? Carth wasnt whiny! Not compared to this pain in the ass lol) and you get what I felt was the best romance out of the lot.

The following isn't necessarily directed at you, FitScotGaymer, nor is it meant as an attack to anyone in any way, but in my opinion, Anders has got to be the most disappointing romance of all four (indeed, I don't include Sebastian, whom I can't help but not count as an actual romance).

In as much as the second conversation with him (when you count the Tranquility interactions as one conversation, which I do), he puts you on the spot by admitting his romantic interest. In... what, the third or fourth conversation, he's going all "I'd drown us in a river of blood to keep you safe!". Immediately after the first sexual encounter, you have his "For three years I've spent every night aching for you!", which is actually preceeded by him requesting to move in with you. Aaand after that, you're done, pretty much.

I can't exactly say what's bothering me about it, but I think it's the utter lack of development. There pretty much is none. You meet Anders, and BAM, he's in love with you. No why given.

Here's hoping Dragon Age 3 won't have me producing a rant like this one.

Thank you for your comment, it is welcome.

You were disappointed with Sebastian ? Worse with Aveline. Because it is not even a flirt. In reality she doesn't take into account what Hawk said.

In other words, it is totally ignored. I never understood the interest to a flirt with her, if Aveline isn't even aware that she is dredged and loved. Sebastian is still responsive to femhawk. I was very disappointed too.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 21 juillet 2011 - 07:34 .

[Harid]

Sylvianus wrote...

You were disappointed with Sebastian ? Worse with Aveline. Because it is not even a flirt. In reality she doesn't take into account what Hawk said.

In other words, it is totally ignored. I never understood the interest to a flirt with her, if Aveline isn't even aware that she is dredged and loved. Sebastian is still responsive to femhawk. I was very disappointed too.

It seemed part of her character.  She was completely oblivious to that guard that kept flirting hard with her the whole time through Act 1, provided she becomes the new Captain.  I shudder to think what Wesley had to do to get her to marry him.

[Teddie Sage]

I was satisfied with Isabela and Anders. Couldn't care less about Fenris and Merrill. I wanted Varric to be romanceable. And Sebastian needs to die... I insist on murder knife because I hate him with a passion.

[Sylvianus]

[quote]Harid wrote...

[quote]Sylvianus wrote...

You were disappointed with Sebastian ? Worse with Aveline. Because it is not even a flirt. In reality she doesn't take into account what Hawk said.

In other words, it is totally ignored. I never understood the interest to a flirt with her, if Aveline isn't even aware that she is dredged and loved. Sebastian is still responsive to femhawk. I was very disappointed too.


[/quote]

It seemed part of her character.  She was completely oblivious to that guard that kept flirting hard with her the whole time through Act 1, provided she becomes the new Captain.  [/quote]
Well, Even though it was part of her character, I do not see the point for the player.  Why allow the heart line if it is not taken into account ? The purpose of a flirt is the recognition of a feeling towards each other.

  I wasn't amused at all to see Aveline ignore what I said anyway. I would have preferred to see her to react. Why not take offense, or I don't know. I would had less the thought of being a fool in the end.

[quote]I shudder to think what Wesley had to do to get her to marry him.[/quote]
XD
I don't want to know.

[/quote]

Modifié par Sylvianus, 21 juillet 2011 - 08:30 .

[N7M]

Isabela's romance was fun with neat conversational segues and party banter.

[Harid]

[quote]Sylvianus wrote...

[quote]Harid wrote...

[quote]Sylvianus wrote...

You were disappointed with Sebastian ? Worse with Aveline. Because it is not even a flirt. In reality she doesn't take into account what Hawk said.

In other words, it is totally ignored. I never understood the interest to a flirt with her, if Aveline isn't even aware that she is dredged and loved. Sebastian is still responsive to femhawk. I was very disappointed too.


[/quote]

It seemed part of her character.  She was completely oblivious to that guard that kept flirting hard with her the whole time through Act 1, provided she becomes the new Captain.  [/quote]
Well, Even though it was part of her character, I do not see the point for the player.  Why allow the heart line if it is not taken into account ?The purpose of a flirt is the recognition of a feeling towards each other.

  I wasn't amused at all to see Aveline ignore what I said anyway.I would have preferred to see her react. Why not take offense, or I don't know. I would had less the thought of being a fool in the end.

[quote]I shudder to think what Wesley had to do to get her to marry him.[/quote]
XD
I don't want to know.

[/quote]
[/quote]

I would assume because Bioware did not want to create another Jaheira situation where a companion blows off her husbands death, becasue you are just that ****ing awesome.  People were complaining about that to no end when the character was first shown, so I just tag it to a case of you can't always get what your want.

You've never blown off a flirt in your happenings in real life?  Everyone has.  And while this is just a game, I'd consider every companion to be romancable as pandering to crazy, lonely people before I'd see it as a step forward.

Modifié par Harid, 21 juillet 2011 - 08:36 .

[Sylvianus]

Harid wrote...
I would assume because Bioware did not want to create another Jaheira situation where a companion blows off her husbands death, becasue you are just that ****ing awesome.  People were complaining about that to no end when the character was first shown, so I just tag it to a case of you can't always get what your want.

You've never blown off a flirt in your happenings in real life?  Everyone has.  And while this is just a game, I'd consider every companion to be romancable as pandering to crazy, lonely people before I'd see it as a step forward.

I see. I understand the will as well, but desagree with the means used.  Aveline meaning simply that she preferred for example the friendship with Hawk, would have sufficed. Simply a recognition of a feeling. Because it gives the impression that the script was a bit wrong. Besides, I do not think desirable to allow flirt if it is to be ignored, that's not cool, and not fun.

That said, I agree, no need to have every companion to be romancable. 

Modifié par Sylvianus, 21 juillet 2011 - 08:45 .

[maxernst]

Sylvianus wrote...

Harid wrote...
I would assume because Bioware did not want to create another Jaheira situation where a companion blows off her husbands death, becasue you are just that ****ing awesome.  People were complaining about that to no end when the character was first shown, so I just tag it to a case of you can't always get what your want.

You've never blown off a flirt in your happenings in real life?  Everyone has.  And while this is just a game, I'd consider every companion to be romancable as pandering to crazy, lonely people before I'd see it as a step forward.

I see. I understand the will as well, but desagree with the means used.  Aveline meaning simply that she preferred for example the friendship with Hawk, would have sufficed. Simply a recognition of a feeling. Because it gives the impression that the script was a bit wrong. Besides, I do not think desirable to allow flirt if it is to be ignored, that's not cool, and not fun.

That said, I agree, no need to have every companion to be romancable. 

I thought it was a good thing that you can flirt with Aveline, but it won't go anywhere...it's real.  Sometimes people you're interested in, just aren't into you. And I think it was in character for Aveline to ignore it, frustrating as it might be.  It was a shame my DA:O warden couldn't express his feelings for Alistair without a mod.  Even if it was only one line, and Alistair immediately shut him down, it would have been better than having no opportunity to say how he felt at all.

Making it possible to express an interest in everybody would be an advance, simply because it allows for an expression of your character...more choice is always good.  Having everyone respond positively to your advances would not be an advance.  So I guess it depends on what you mean by "romanceable".

Modifié par maxernst, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:05 .

[Sylvianus]

maxernst wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Harid wrote...
I would assume because Bioware did not want to create another Jaheira situation where a companion blows off her husbands death, becasue you are just that ****ing awesome.  People were complaining about that to no end when the character was first shown, so I just tag it to a case of you can't always get what your want.

You've never blown off a flirt in your happenings in real life?  Everyone has.  And while this is just a game, I'd consider every companion to be romancable as pandering to crazy, lonely people before I'd see it as a step forward.

I see. I understand the will as well, but desagree with the means used.  Aveline meaning simply that she preferred for example the friendship with Hawk, would have sufficed. Simply a recognition of a feeling. Because it gives the impression that the script was a bit wrong. Besides, I do not think desirable to allow flirt if it is to be ignored, that's not cool, and not fun.

That said, I agree, no need to have every companion to be romancable. 

I thought it was a good thing that you can flirt with Aveline, but it won't go anywhere...it's real.  Sometimes people you're interested in, just aren't into you. And I think it was in character for Aveline to ignore it, frustrating as it might be.  It was a shame my DA:O warden couldn't express his feelings for Alistair without a mod.  Even if it was only one line, and Alistair immediately shut him down, it would have been better than having no opportunity to say how he felt at all.

Making it possible to express an interest in everybody would be an advance, simply because it allows for an expression of your character...more choice is always good.  Having everyone respond positively to your advances would not be an advance.  So I guess it depends on what you mean by "romanceable".

Actually I agree with you on the whole, but Aveline is simply not aware that you love her. I know, it can be a part of her character. But it's as if you hadn't said anything in fact.

If you express your feelings to Allistair, even if he disagrees, don't you want him know what you feel for him ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:18 .

[Sinaxi]

Modifié par Tidra, 21 juillet 2011 - 09:28 .

[Atricks]

I'm completely uninterested in the romancing portions of these games so I ignore them.

[Blessed Silence]

Sylvianus wrote...

Have you been satisfied with the DA2's LI ?, Who do you prefer ? I feel that there is much less enthusiasm among boys than among girls. Or you are simply more shy on the BSN, which would be surprising after what i'v seen with Mass effect 2. I can not identify a trend, you are so few to express it.

The thread of the female characters  are not moving much since the release of Dragon Age. Where are you ?

Hm, though not a male player per se I play male and female characters.

But, I will say they gave some interesting personalities to all LIs in DA2.  Some a bit more on the left field than others.  But they had at least one that went with the way I played my characters out.

Such as my first character, Female Mage Force/Elemental.  Was totally behind the mages and despised Templars, so Anders was a total win for her.

My second character ... Female Mage Healer, abhorred fighting hence her healing role, though she fought when she needed to protect herself and her loved ones.  Sebastian was perfect for her.

[Haexpane]

Atricks wrote...

I'm completely uninterested in the romancing portions of these games so I ignore them.

I do it for the loots, then I dun get no lewts  so I did it for the Skill tree bonus, which was a must have.

Satisfaction is not the way I would describe my state of mind after diaper make out sessions.  Quite the opposite really

[Flamer Flame]

Hey look John Epler, it's a 'specific groups, let's discuss DA2' thread.

I thought those didn't exist.