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[STEELWOLF86]

tobynator89 wrote...

STEELWOLF86 wrote...
first of all their arent to many gays in the military their are even less in the Marine, and Second it would be even more impossible for their to be a homosexual in the infantry ecspecially as some one as experienced as Vega is made out to be.

Having served as a rifleman in an infantry battalion (with a girl as our squad MG3 gunner) I call bull**** on every statement you just made.

The US military in general has an attitude problem in regards to gay people. It's a cultural problem that will dissipate over time. Just as racial segregation gradually dissipated.

They weren't so tough when they came over here to practice winter warfare in northern norway during the cold response exercise and 30% had to sit it out due to frost injuries though. -50 degrees C shuts people up pretty nicely.

*coughs* yeah women arent allowed in the infantry maybe in the other branches but not mine and if you were this openly gay im sure you would have been discharged from the military and -50 celcious i love playing in the snow must have been fun hiking over 30 k 

[naledgeborn]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It is not an opinion. It is a fear. There is a name for it: Homophobia. Like any other phobia it can be cured. It's your choice to keep that fear.

Right? I've seen a lot of that going around. I've been called one early on. Why? because I don't agree with certain peoples lifestyle? I'm not even some rabid fundamentalist. If some people want to be gay have at it.  Because I take the nurture side of the argument instead of the nature? People resort to mud slinging when they're desperate. 

[happy_daiz]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Depends on how fast people post. Its got about 45 minutes or so of life yet. Just enough time for the devs to get into work, grab a cup of coffee, and sigh deeply.

Mmmm...coffee...

[AngryFrozenWater]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It is not an opinion. It is a fear. There is a name for it: Homophobia. Like any other phobia it can be cured. It's your choice to keep that fear.

Fear of the same! I am so afraid of the same!

You certainly prove it quite well

Yes, I know. While I am a Volus I am absolutely terrified of other Volus. They sacre me so much! AAAAHAHHAH!

It's much like that. Both are irrational fears. I wonder if there is a therapy for xenophobia, though. *scratches head*

[Rinji the Bearded]

ipgd wrote...

I have a theory that the people who says homosexuality is a choice are really closeted homosexuals suppressing their desires, so for them it is a choice. They choose to live a life of self-loathing, repression and denial, jealously lashing out at those who had the fortune to be raised in an environment that didn't demand aggressive self-deception. Ted Haggard, George Rekers and Larry Craig seem to support the pattern.

No way those men were paragons of heterosexuality!!!!1!!!1!!!

Sorry this is BSN and I think it's status quo to be as combative and ignorant as possible.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 18 juillet 2011 - 02:27 .

[Volus Warlord]

IsaacShep wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Be cautious. The "go do it" crowd are trying to indoctrinate you into gaydom.

And your argument 'it's a choice" remains a nonsense 'cause you can't prove it as you should if you want it to be true. You can scream and change the topic as much as you want, your agrument still FAILED

I know right? It's such nonsense!

The "it's a choice argument" stems from instances of people making the switch and in some instances doing so multiple times. Guy straight as a rod goes to prison, comes out more curved than a spiral.  Girl gets mad at ex, goes lesbo, gets dissappointed  with lesboship, goes straight again. And both will deny being bi.

But my argument is invalid because I refuse to go out and suck a ****.  I wish I was as smart as you.

[dreman9999]

STEELWOLF86 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

STEELWOLF86 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Well then stop forcing your hateful anti-homosapien agenda on us!

OMG i dont hate homos i just dont want them not to be in my squad because thats not how my Shep would run his crew in my mind this would cause distraction akwardnes or even hate among my crew thats why

I'd explain the joke you missed but its funnier if I don't.

So gays would be a distraction on your crew, but not women in skin tight cameltoed high heeled catsuits. Or angry krogans in heat down in the hold. Or scary tattooed people who could kill you with their brains. Or hyperfriendly omni-sexual ships councillors. Or knowing your ship's cook also cleans your toilet.

No relationship in ME has ever started without you starting it. Your 'option' is always there.  So you'd have no way of knowing anyone was gay or not unless you talked about it. Clearly you're distracting yourself.

bro i was talking about in the real world that stuff is a distraction and women dont belong on the front lines either so i agree with you on that as suprising as that might be

Now I wished to god that he made us all monosexed.....
A man like you who is in the cerrent day military with woman who see woman fight and die bravly and save their fellow solders think they do not belong even after the fact they proved themselves man times over..... My god, you are a disgrace to you fellow solders. In war, it's not the coloe, race, sex, or oriantation that matters....It the will to serve and you know that and that's why you joined the marines, you want to serve you country. Think of how others feel on the issue, every race, sex and oriantation. So you don't worry about your fellow man and woman at arm....you worry about the enemy in front of you who wants to kill you. The last time too worried about ourselves....we lost a war. And one other thing....if you don't ask, they can't tell you.

[Siansonea]

Why do trolls...suddenly appear...every time you are near...

[Aligalipe]

I don't want my Shepard to become gay, but i think everyone should create their Shepard' s as they wish. If you don't want a gay Shepard just don't initiate romance with the same sex. Its simple as that! You don't have to make a fuss over it. The only thing i am afraid of is. Every NPC becoming bisexual like in DA2. Because every squadmate suddenly turning bisexual is stupid. 

Modifié par Aligalipe, 18 juillet 2011 - 02:29 .

[shepskisaac]

ipgd wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Homosexuality is lust plain and simple. Me wanting to **** a girl for the sake of ****ing a girl is lust all the same.

Go make out with a man out of lust, and enjoy it.  Then you may say homosexuality is a choice.

I have a theory that the people who says homosexuality is a choice are really closeted homosexuals suppressing their desires, so for them it is a choice. They choose to live a life of self-loathing, repression and denial, jealously lashing out at those who had the fortune to be raised in an environment that didn't demand aggressive self-deception. Ted Haggard, George Rekers and Larry Craig seem to support the pattern.

And there are actual studies that find it to be indeed a fact: Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?

[Cutlass Jack]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's much like that. Both are irrational fears. I wonder if there is a therapy for xenophobia, though. *scratches head*

I suffer from Phobophobia myself.

[naledgeborn]

ipgd wrote...

I have a theory that the people who says homosexuality is a choice are really closeted homosexuals suppressing their desires, so for them it is a choice. They choose to live a life of self-loathing, repression and denial, jealously lashing out at those who had the fortune to be raised in an environment that didn't demand aggressive self-deception. Ted Haggard, George Rekers and Larry Craig seem to support the pattern.

LOL sure you may be right about some people. What about the ones who aren't closeted homosexulas living a lie of self loathing?

[STEELWOLF86]

Nohvarr wrote...

STEELWOLF86 wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

STEELWOLF86 wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

STEELWOLF86 wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

STEELWOLF86 wrote...

People all i want is for their to be an option thats it nothing more but you ass holes want to say im wrong for wanting that well all i can say is for you guys not to get so but hurt so easily

But you already have the option, simply do not show anything more than a friendly/professional interest in any character and you are unlikely to discover that they are gay/bi/shepard-sexual.

yeah but i still want to talk to the character hes a grunt and a marine so he already is a badass why cant they just change the dialog to something else thats all 

In mass effect 2 both Miranda and Garrus do not show an interest in you until you initiate dialogue that suggests you are romantically interested in them. Just do not pick that dialoge option and you will never know.

dude i get what your saying i agree but i still just can not beleive that bioware is making a marine infantrymen a gay im sorry but that is stupid as hell

Why? Because you haven't personally, to your knowledge, met a gay marine? Considering the policy on being openly gay in the US military I'm not surprised. That said, are you telling me right now, that there's no way a gay man would join the Marines out of a sense of duty, and a desire to protect the freedoms of a country he loves just as much as you?

i get what your saying man and i have met a gay marine but none of which are in the infantry because their will never be any openly gay men in the infantry if you were part of the military you would no why so i cant expect for any of you to understand 

US Navy, sorry but I do understand.

unless you were a seal or a doc then no u dont 

[Rinji the Bearded]

Volus Warlord wrote...

I know right? It's such nonsense!

The "it's a choice argument" stems from instances of people making the switch and in some instances doing so multiple times. Guy straight as a rod goes to prison, comes out more curved than a spiral.  Girl gets mad at ex, goes lesbo, gets dissappointed  with lesboship, goes straight again. And both will deny being bi.

But my argument is invalid because I refuse to go out and suck a ****.  I wish I was as smart as you.

So you're saying that people only become gay after a traumatic experience?

Not
to mention that mentally "straight" people can have sex with the same
gender without changing his or her perceived sexuality?   The key is
whether or not they ENJOY it and PREFER it.

So if you go out, suck a ****, and enjoy it, then you are either gay or bisexual.  If you don't, then you are straight. 

[happy_daiz]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I suffer from Phobophobia myself.

Ha! That's awesome! 

[ElitePinecone]

Siansonea II wrote...

Why do trolls...suddenly appear...every time you are near...

♫ Just like me, they long to be, clooose to yoooooooooooooou.... ♫

[GazzanAlpha]

STEELWOLF86 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

GazzanAlpha wrote...

WOW THAT IS DEEP NOT!!!!

bigot

OH YEAH WELL YOU'RE ****ING ****! <---Deep and thoughtful, isn't it?

Cmon now. Let's try to go a full page without hurling insults. 

yeah i figured that would happen but i stick to my topic ME3 needs this if they want to keep themselves from pissing ppl off like right now

Your name suits you well volus warlord <_< Anywho I would love to go into a deep and thoughtful disscussion on why this ''TOTALLY'' isnt a bigoted topic  but as it happens i have responsibility's in the morning such as getting my younger Gay brother up in the morning in time for goddamn school.

[shepskisaac]

Volus Warlord wrote...

But my argument is invalid because I refuse to go out and suck a ****.

Yeah, it "kinda" works that way. If it's so simple as you say, it's perfectly perfomable for you too so if you can't bring yourself to suck a dick, your argument fails. Just logic. Sorry it doesn't help your argument

[Volus Warlord]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Merci357 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It is not an opinion. It is a fear. There is a name for it: Homophobia. Like any other phobia it can be cured. It's your choice to keep that fear.

Fear of the same! I am so afraid of the same!

You certainly prove it quite well

Yes, I know. While I am a Volus I am absolutely terrified of other Volus. They sacre me so much! AAAAHAHHAH!

It's much like that. Both are irrational fears. I wonder if there is a therapy for xenophobia, though. *scratches head*

It was a play on words, genius. But interpret it any way you please.

[Nohvarr]

Look OP, you don't like having S/S relationship possible in the game, fine I'm not going to beat you up for having an opinion, even if it's one I disagree with vehemently. However, your request strikes too many as a form of segregation in a game system that dosen't really need to have such an overt option. Heck if they used the flirtation trick they did in DA 2 you're problem would be solved even more so than it was in ME 2, and it would work for anyone who simply wished to avoid having any kind of relationship beyond professional with the crew of the SR 2.

In fact a better post/thread would've been for a general request to make the flirtation options, almost blindingly obvious, as some people have (in a way I can not figure out) managed to romance people they didn't mean to supposedly because the dialogue is vague (Again I don't see how) so having pink hearts around the flirt option would easily prevent that from occuring though it would be a case of making things so obvious that it'd annoy other people.

Edit:

I'm also impressed with how you keep moving the goal posts.

first it was that gay's don't exist in the infantry, then you had to say that there were very few.

Next was the claim that none of us were military thus we couldn't understand, then I and others said we were, and you claimed that we weren't military enough...

I think you need to step away from the computer and take some time to think through how you are presenting yourself and your viewpoints before you say anything else on these boards.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 18 juillet 2011 - 02:35 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Sorry, OP.

The country you served doesn't agree with you.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 18 juillet 2011 - 02:33 .

[ipgd]

naledgeborn wrote...

LOL sure you may be right about some people. What about the ones who aren't closeted homosexulas living a lie of self loathing?

How would you know it's a choice, if not from personal experience?

[Steve236]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's much like that. Both are irrational fears. I wonder if there is a therapy for xenophobia, though. *scratches head*

I suffer from Phobophobia myself.

Is there a offical phobia word for fear of Saber Tooth tiger?

[Unpleasant Implications]

STEELWOLF86 wrote...

you know i started this just so i could voice my opinion on the topic in hopes that Bioware would do something that would be fair to both sides but now seeing all this fighting just to have an option that would change the dialog so that you can still talk to your squadmates with out even hinting their sexual orientation seems like a fair compromise for the strait and the gays dont know why you guys keep on fighting

Well they're making friendship options so that should keep them straight if that's what you wish. Besides once s/s relationships were announced it was already too late. The amount of complaints Bioware would get for removing or changing dialogue would be much more harsh than if they keep it on this track. I have faith Bioware won't have another Anders problem.

[Siansonea]

What I would like to know is: Where did 13-year-old boys spew idiotic nonsense before the Internet?