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[Riona45]

Yeah, adoption makes sense.

[dredogg34]

I tried to make my character black when I first started, and it wasnt going to turn out right since theres not many options for it. Its really a shame, you should be able to make characters look like what you want them to. And is it really that much of a stretch in a fantasy game to think that black people of this time could have been nobles... I mean come on we're playing fantasy games with dragons and magic and we cant imagine minorities being included.

[frokenscheim]

Ferelden is a predominantly white nation. Hopefully the sequel will be set somewhere more ethnically diverse.

[3SG Sage]

While I understand the historic implications of a European world model, personally I was always fust fine with the multicultural mix in the Herculese:Legendary Journeys TV show. Yeah, it was historically innaccurate for ancient Greece but no one made an issue of skin color and it matched what I see in my real world better making it easier to suspend belief and enjoy the show.

[telephasic]

As I pointed out in the more controversial thread, as a noble, your family predates the founding of the Kingdom. If your parents were black, it would mean the entire noble house was black for centuries, which (given nobles only intermarry with nobles) would mean at least half of the nobility would have to be black as well.



Ferelden is probably similar to Medieval Europe when it comes to racial variation within the human race. Dark-skinned people probably migrate in occasionally, but never in sufficient numbers to form any real discrimination. Without discrimination, and with partners being rare, the occasional dark-skinned trader or sailor marries someone local, and within three generations, their descendants are just a shade darker than everyone else. This makes sense, because we do see a few people in the game who could be either tanned whites or very light-skinned blacks (particularly in Denerim), but no one who would unquestionably be considered black.



FWIW, Duncan is probably biracial under the terms we understand. Although it's not clear if the inhabitants from Rivain look more like Indians or Africans.

[ValentineHeart82]

Ah well, I prefer to think my White Momma cheated on my White Daddy with Sten. Problem Solved.

[JJM152]

telephasic wrote...

As I pointed out in the more controversial thread, as a noble, your family predates the founding of the Kingdom. If your parents were black, it would mean the entire noble house was black for centuries, which (given nobles only intermarry with nobles) would mean at least half of the nobility would have to be black as well.

Actually they would all be caucasian, at least without a heck of a lot of selective incest. Genetics doesn't quite work the way you think it does Even genetic drift with such a small sampling would be unlikely to produce the results you speak of.

In the real world, caucasian people, due to their geographic origin, share a lot of common genetic traits with people both from Africa and Asia (which makes a heck of a lot of sense if you consider the Out of Africa migration theory). That is to say, that genetically speaking, a caucasian will be more similar to an african or an asian than either would be to each other.

I've always found it amusing that proponents of white supremacy/aryan purity seem to be blissfully unaware that genetically speaking, they are humanity's mutts.

[Akka le Vil]

Perhaps the toolset is simply here to allow people to create characters they like, and you should just put the "skin color" to the left if you really are concerned with consistency.

You're the one being inconsistent by creating a black as a member of one of the traditionnal families in a white-skinned country, after all. Don't complain that the game doesn't follow you on this.

[KalosCast]

You fell in a magical fire pit as a child and are now eternally char-broiled, it's not genetics, just a tragic accident.
Hole filled for those of you unwilling to accept the "Sten's son" model.

Modifié par KalosCast, 23 novembre 2009 - 10:35 .

[Stanley Woo]

A wizard did it.

[KalosCast]

Stanley Woo wrote...

A wizard did it.

I bet it was the one who shows up in your camp. Chicks dig accents.

[Malkut]

Stanley Woo wrote...

A wizard did it.

WIIIIIIIZAAAAARD!

*shakes fist angrly at sky*

[Tankenminnet]

They shouldn't have let him listen to all of that rap.

[telephasic]

JJM152 wrote...

telephasic wrote...

As I pointed out in the more controversial thread, as a noble, your family predates the founding of the Kingdom. If your parents were black, it would mean the entire noble house was black for centuries, which (given nobles only intermarry with nobles) would mean at least half of the nobility would have to be black as well.

Actually they would all be caucasian, at least without a heck of a lot of selective incest. Genetics doesn't quite work the way you think it does Even genetic drift with such a small sampling would be unlikely to produce the results you speak of.

While I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here, my point was how unlikely it would be there was a random family of black noble origin in Ferelden.  You'd need to have at least half the genotype of the nobility to be of "African" origin to reasonably expect someone to end up looking "black."  Given we don't have any lore to suggest Rivain invaded Ferelden during the dark ages and set up shop as the local nobles, that looks unlikely. 

[KennethAFTopp]

I like the idea of Duncan being the secret father.
I got a question for the complainers of white parents black kids, What if Dragon Age 2 takes place in a middle eastern or african inspired country, would you also complain you couldn't play a caucasian because your Emir father is black?

[IronVanguard]

KennethAFTopp wrote...

I like the idea of Duncan being the secret father.
I got a question for the complainers of white parents black kids, What if Dragon Age 2 takes place in a middle eastern or african inspired country, would you also complain you couldn't play a caucasian because your Emir father is black?

Let's face it.
Someone would.


Personally, I'm liking this "Wizard did it" idea....

[kesayo2]

And did you notice how all the elves and dwarves were also all white.

Apparently species diversity is just fine and dandy, but creating a world where people of different skins tones can live together is just not right. That's a shame.

[The Angry One]

Well hey look at Fable 2, you have no option but to be 100% white.

Hell in Fable 1 you couldn't even choose gender. I suppose that's part of Peter Molyneux's epic plan though, we might get a few tan options in Fable 3!

[KennethAFTopp]

kesayo2 wrote...

And did you notice how all the elves and dwarves were also all white.
Apparently species diversity is just fine and dandy, but creating a world where people of different skins tones can live together is just not right. That's a shame.

that don't mean that are other racially different elves or dwarves in other countries where they might be darker.

Also there were no white Qunari.

[KalosCast]

The Angry One wrote...

Well hey look at Fable 2, you have no option but to be 100% white.
Hell in Fable 1 you couldn't even choose gender. I suppose that's part of Peter Molyneux's epic plan though, we might get a few tan options in Fable 3!

And then perhaps a plot by Fable 4.

[Malkut]

telephasic wrote...

As I pointed out in the more controversial thread, as a noble, your family predates the founding of the Kingdom. If your parents were black, it would mean the entire noble house was black for centuries, which (given nobles only intermarry with nobles) would mean at least half of the nobility would have to be black as well.

If you pay attention during the first cutscene where Loghain and Anora address the Landsmeet after Ostogar, you will see there there are indeed dark-skinned people in attendance among the nobles, most prominently a woman standing very near the front.

Most people don't notice, but the game does have a mix of skin tones.

[Ulicus]

Stanley Woo wrote...

A wizard did it.

Roy's dad?

I remember being fairly disappointed that the Couslands looked the same regardless of how you built your character... but then I decided that my guy was simply the spitting image of his way cooler grandfather, whereas Bryce and Fergus took after Grandma Cousland.  That helped me get over it pretty quickly.

I do think, however, that it was absolutely criminal that BioWare didn't give Bryce or Fergus proper beards. Full and proper beards would have given each of them instant badassery.  When I get the PC version, in years to come when the PC that can run this game brilliantly is cheap, that's the first thing I'll be changing. Beards.

Fergus should have been modelled on Gerard Butler, too.

Modifié par Ulicus, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:11 .

[Zibon]

Riona45 wrote...

Yeah, adoption makes sense.

No, it doesn't.  Did you miss how important bloodlines are?

[W1slicer_carolina]

Maybe someone said it, but I've always assumed Duncan was black-ish. For RP purposes you can always go the adopted route, maybe you aren't as attached to your parents because of that? Maybe you are even more attached because they took you in? Maybe no one told you were adopted, and no one else cares to mention it?

[The Angry One]

If Duncan's my secret dad that makes hitting on him in the human noble origin so veeerrryy creeeepy.