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[painofdungeoneternal]

You have a right to play anywhere you want, and the people running PW's have a right to choose who gets to come on their PW. You seem to think that making a player go away is abuse. It's not.

The things you yourself described, like typing "HAHHAHAHAHA" into the DM channel repeatedly, that is why you got banned. Trying to get sympathy when just hearing your account it's very clear what happened between the DM and you.

The fact you were quarantined was something a Admin did via some automated script. Completely separate issue there. The DM was (usually) entertaining a small group of players on the other side of the server, and suddenly gets to deal with a player who has a problem it's not his job to deal with. Being a DM is very hard, and a DM is not doing their job if they are troubleshooting every issue a player has or babysitting them. Generally they try to help folks when aware, but they don't have to do anything if they don't feel like it.

There are many PW's out there. Worst thing you can do to a PW is to find another PW to play on.

Modifié par painofdungeoneternal, 19 juillet 2011 - 03:50 .

[Arkalezth]

...And now this thread has taken the road I feared it would take.

Gibfranken, you're not doing yourself a favor by getting angry with anyone who doesn't agree with you. We have our own opinions. As others have said, the replies here have been neutral. And seeing your replies here, I'd like to see that abuse and arrogance-filled messages you speak of. Seriously, trolling and spamming a chat when you have an argument with a DM, as well as disagreeing with everyone with an opinion different than yours, won't help your credibility.

Not that it would accomplish anything, but to judge something, information is needed, and we only have your version, and your word. Trials have at least two opposing parts, and there's only one here.

Go on with that attitude, and that server won't be the only place where you'll be banned. So take it easy, we haven't done anything to you, but we won't agree with you on everything just because you order us to.

[mousestalker]

@gibfranken. Since everyone else is dispensing advice, here's mine. The game that made me the uber roleplayer I am is a pen 'n paper rpg called Paranoia. Take a gander at the gaming conventions in your area and see if anyone is running Paranoia. If they are, sign up for every session. Alternatively, look for gaming groups in your area that routinely play Paranoia.

Why am I suggesting this course of action? No matter how justified your actions may have been, you failed epically, by your own account, in dealing with the GM's. Playing Paranoia is a crash course in dealing, manipulating and handling unjust DM/GM's in a game.

Play Paranoia. Keep playing it until your character can get killed repeatedly in a single session and you are able to laugh about it and go out for beers with the GM afterwards.

Play Paranoia.

[gibfranken]

[quote]Then why, pray tell, did you even start this thread? What is your objective here? To vent? That must be it judging from your posts. Truth be told, I am more inclined to believe this supposedly abusive DM over you for three simple reasons:[/quote]
Seagloom if you have to ask what the point is when it's mentioned right at the very begining in plain English. You need to learn reasding comprehension.


Also the question is now is what is wrong with everyone where they simply do not understand the DM was abusive, I am in the right and he is wrong and something needs to be done.

The fact that all of you make up excuses to condone completely abisive behavior reallly and clearly is saying that all of you have zero clue how to function in real life, and have no clue about rules and regulations and how things get applied to people accordingly.

It is amazing how many people simply need to be educated on how things work.

All of you making excuses are 100% wrong and have no clue to what you're all talking about.

Abuse is unexceptable on any level no matter whom you are or what you do. Being a DM doesn't reserve the right to do whatever tehy plpase. it's abuse and abuse is abuse no matter what anyone wants to say.

What I find amusing is that in some contries there are actual laws against this type of abuse and you can get into serious trouble with the law. and if thatw ere the case here every single one of you defending this idiot would all be in serious trouble as well.

Doesn't matter if it's his server, his house, his rules or whatever. He is wrong and so are all of you I and am right.


and as for this:
[quote]You have a right to play anywhere you want, and the people running PW's have a right to choose who gets to come on their PW.[quote]

And this is where you are confused and absolutely wrong.

All of you need to learn how a server works when on a companies site. It is a PRIVILLAGE for anyone to be ALLOWED TO HOST A SERVER, no DM or player owns it, THE COMPANY ALLOWING THE PEOPLE TO HOST THE GAME ACTUALLY OWNS IT, so no nothing belongs to them and NO they do not have the right to say who and who does not come on or off there.

Somehow those facts have become obsolete and lost in todays generation of gamers whom don't think this is a fact and again will make up all sorts of crap to try and be right...

As I said It is right in the TOS of HOSTING and or
You all need to go take a very careful look at the Rules for this about hosting and what you actually are and are not allowed to do, people are required to follow when hosting things. They are not supposed to be abusive without cause....If cause is not found then they can't go pulling stunts like this.

It is because of the company that all of you can even play...NOT THE IDIOTS IN THE GAME and The company doesn't have to let anyone do anything. But anyone hosting have signed a digital contract saying they will conduct themselves appropriately and WILL NOT BECOME ABUSIVE as abuse is actually illegal.

Booting someone out of a game on a sever that deoesn't belong to you and isn't yours that you have a privillage of being on, without cause is ABUSE.

Again al of you will try adn say that is not a rule or whatever.

Which is why all of you who reply need to learn how thinigs work and what teh actual rules and regulations are. Not just teh rules and regulations people say are and are not there. Saying there is no such rule is just retards trying to justify abusive action that is not actually even allowed when you're hosting on a server that doesn't belong to you.

It falls under the same exact thing as putting child porn on a site You all want to say that is allowed just ebcause the DM write a rule saying Porn is allowed.....After all it's their server right, they can do what tehy want right....YEah ok I don't think so... Get real!

As I said if anyone continues to justify this abusers actions with things that have nothing to do with anything and are not relevant then you're just as bad as the abuser is.

Modifié par gibfranken, 19 juillet 2011 - 06:59 .

[painofdungeoneternal]

Ok you are right.

There is still nothing you or anyone else can do about it except to leave.

The DM is in full physical control of everything that happens, right or wrong they have the power to do whatever they want. Right or wrong is completely beside the point.

[gibfranken]

[quote]The DM is in full physical control of everything that happens, right or wrong they have the power to do whatever they want. Right or wrong is completely beside the point.[/qoute]

Your confused
read above and if you don't understand keep reading above until you do get it because you have no clue about what you're talking about when you say the DM is incontrol and hass a right to do anything because you're dead wring..as I said read above until you understand it.

[Seagloom]

gibfranken wrote...

Seagloom if you have to ask what the point is when it's mentioned right at the very begining in plain English. You need to learn reasding comprehension.

You set out to explain why NWN2 servers should follow the regulations of companies that had a hand in developing the game. Yet the explanation that followed your thesis was nothing more than a personal rant about how you were unjustly punished.

If I need to improve my reading comprehension, then you need to learn how to write a proper essay. Your post degraded into a rant by the fifth sentence. Referring to your mystery abuser as a clown is not a calm and balanced way to state your case. You then went on to describe your own poor behavior toward a DM that may or may not have been involved in quarantining your character; as by your own admission you "don't know which clown did this".

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt after reading what I felt was a caustic opening post. However, any good will ended when you started criticizing everyone's politely written replies solely because they did not agree with you. If your behavior here is any indication, you likely earned your punishment at Sundren.

Modifié par Seagloom, 19 juillet 2011 - 07:31 .

[painofdungeoneternal]

No i am not, you are missing my point entirely. You are confusing what a DM "should" be able to do, and what a DM is "capable" of doing. I agree a DM should be nice to players, but that does not change the fact they can do whatever they please. If this was not the case they would not be the DM.

This is actually absolute power. In D&D a DM is god, point blank. If a DM is respectful is entirely their choice, they can be abusive, combative, irrational, and an evil dictator. Laws do not apply to them except ones they wrote themselves and feel like following. The only one more powerful than a DM is the admin who decides who their DM's are.

The only recourse you have is to leave if you disagree.

[mousestalker]

gibfranken, the world is unfair. Some persistent worlds are persistently unfair. That's how life is. If you want to be certain you play in a persistent world that is fair, you may have to create one yourself and run it yourself.

I look forward to reports of your progress in that direction.

Modifié par mousestalker, 19 juillet 2011 - 07:37 .

[kamal_]

Someone should make a Faerun based Paranoia server. That would be pretty awesome.

[mousestalker]

kamal_ wrote...

Someone should make a Faerun based Paranoia server. That would be pretty awesome.

I'd play there in a heart beat. Alas, I lack the time to make it so myself.

[Mysstic1]

Ooh, Faerun-based Paranoia.

I shudder to think how many times a player would be unfairly, abusively, ...hilariously... killed by the DMs before reaching 30.

(Shudder)

[Shallina]

Compagny do not host the server.... DM are doing it, the only thing that is hosted by a "compagny" and that is included in the NWN2 "basic services" is the HUB that allow you to join private server.

All NWN2 gaming server are private and hosted by the poeple that set those server, and the one that host a server is the master DM of it most of the time.

It's his house and he does what ever he wants with it.

It's like when you are running a custom game with SC2 and DIablo and Warcraft 1/2/3 and Titan quest and many others game.
If you are hosting a session, you are free to boot or accept who ever you want.

The difference here, is that you can make your "own mod" and you can make it a persistant world.

But all those servers you see on the list are still all private session. And for that reason the one hosting them is free to do what ever he wish with it. So his decision is always right, even if it's unfair.

Modifié par Shallina, 19 juillet 2011 - 08:18 .

[Arkalezth]

Seagloom wrote...

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt after reading what I felt was a caustic opening post. However, any good will ended when you started criticizing everyone's politely written replies solely because they did not agree with you. If your behavior here is any indication, you likely earned your punishment at Sundren.

This is more or less what I wrote, but better explained. And what most certainly happened in that server: you don't get what you want, so you start trolling. You troll, so you get banned. BTW, you mention that any of us would have made the same. I believe no one has replied to that yet, so let me do the honors: NO.

It's clear that you don't care about others' opinions (you made it clear in your second post, though I already suspected it after reading your first), so I won't waste my time further trying to explain it to you. This will soon become an off-topic thread, until it gets locked by an evil and clownish moderator.

I now nothing about Paranoia, but I'll search some info about it. And cute avatar, mousestalker.

[mousestalker]

Arkalezth wrote...

{snip}
I now nothing about Paranoia, but I'll search some info about it. And cute avatar, mousestalker.

Thank you!

Here's the wiki on it.

[luna_hawke]

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[EDIT] undid my first post..  I think it's just not gonna help anything here.

Modifié par luna_hawke, 19 juillet 2011 - 09:23 .

[painofdungeoneternal]

All of you need to learn how a server works when on a companies site. It is a PRIVILLAGE for anyone to be ALLOWED TO HOST A SERVER, no DM or player owns it, THE COMPANY ALLOWING THE PEOPLE TO HOST THE GAME ACTUALLY OWNS IT, so no nothing belongs to them and NO they do not have the right to say who and who does not come on or off there.

This is pretty funny actually, not sure where you got these ideas from but they are not in the least accurate. By that logic who i take as a passenger in my car is up to the company that sold me my car.

This is where your disconnect is. Unlike WOW my server is mine, it's in my bedroom in fact, and no law, rule or company can determine who can and cannot come in my house, or what i do with it. I own the server completely, just like i own my car, my house and my dog. I also own the CD the game came on and can resell it, and can choose who can or cannot come on my computer, just like i can shut it down at any moment if i feel like it.

They do own copyright on many things I use for the game. However i own copyright on anything i created with the toolset as well. If they want to use ANYTHING i've done, they will pay me for it, just like they have paid other community members. And very little of what people use on my PW is not something which is my creation or the creation of some member of the community.

The companies, bioware and obsidian in fact don't really care what we do on our servers, as long as we don't charge for it, and don't break any laws, and have moved on to promote other games. The only real remnant of support is bioware hosting this forum, and the login/authentication, which i am very appreciative of, their focus is entirely on new games like dragon age.

The only one who has a right to say who i play or don't play with on a computer i own is myself. Likewise the only one who determines which servers you play on is yourself.

Modifié par painofdungeoneternal, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:35 .

[Godak]

From what I gather, there was some sort of misunderstanding, and the first idea that came to your brilliant little head was, "Hey, I should spam the DMs' channel! Surely that will get their attention!"

Now, in my eyes, that is a clear cut abuse of your privilege to communicate with the DMs.

And as we all know...

gibfranken wrote...

ABUSE IS ABUSE no matter what kind, it's unexcuable and doesn't give anyone the right to do it and they are in the wrong no matter what.

You dug your own grave, but you haven't found the courage to jump in. Get over yourself.

[AncientWolfgr]

You're one of those people who simply, don't like being told no- thats fine. Expecting rallied support when most everyone already comprehends "Their Server, Their Rules", is hilarious.

As a DM, I probably would have tormented you for awhile yet, given your behavioral type.

[foil-]

@gibfranken: Quite frankly, the fact that you can't hear your own condescending tone in your posts, makes me believe that you probably had the same tone on the server, and it wasn't an automatic script that isolated/banned you, but consensus. And your assumed interpretation of their reply(s) as arrogance is likely the same paranoia you are exhibiting here. I'm actually surprised that people in this thread have been quite gentile and polite to you even after you come back questioning their morality and intelligence over and over. I'm afraid I'm not so honorable and will call you out on it. Just like the DM probably did.

If you want to get into ridiculous moral analogies, why then, when the girl (DM) irritated you with less than admirable behavior, did you hit her? Do you still think you are right? You could have taken the high ground and resolved it peacefully, in which case you would have been justified in saying you are right. But now you're just as WRONG as the DM (unless they heard you talk, then they are right and you are WRONG all by yourself).

And ya, I rose up out of the water pretty high for that bait. I won't add fuel to the flames any further.

Modifié par foil-, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:12 .

[Arkalezth]

foil- wrote...

I'm actually surprised that people in this thread have been quite gentile and polite to you even after you come back questioning their morality and intelligence over and over.

Me too, specially because I'm one of those. However, I think it is because of the low traffic on the forums, mixed with boredom. If there were more active topics, we would have moved anywhere else.

[kamal_]

mods should just step in and lock this down. of course, that presumes we see mods on any regular basis with DNO MIA.

[MokahTGS]

 Why is this playing out on the public boards?  Take it to the Sundren boards.  End of story.  If you feel slighted by a privately run server, which is basically a privately run club, then I'm sorry, but there is nothing anyone here can do about it.
Contact the Sundren development team.  You have the wrong area, sir.

[Kaldor Silverwand]

Entertaining rant. Was there a point to this? Looks like a childish tantrum to me. Chill.

[Chris Priestly]

Yeah, that is more than enough of that. This thread, despite the best efforst of some to keep things civil, now gets closed. If I see this sort of behaviour again, I will start banning people. Only warning on this.


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