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[Stormrider 15]

it was announced(game informer) that the reapers also walk and there would be a part where you fight one that is walking... so i am guessing they are like transformers mabey

Modifié par Stormrider 15, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:31 .

[Stormrider 15]

watch the trailer, you see the huge thing that looks like a scarab from halo but bigger

Modifié par Stormrider 15, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:31 .

[KevShep]

Bad King wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Absolutely not.

Cerberus was being set up as the villain in both of the previous games. Especially ME2 where we discover the role of TIM. We need a human enemy to sort of, "connect" to, you know, an easy one to hate. It's pretty hard to do that with sentient starships.

TIM will take a similar role that Saren took in ME1, and well, I think that TIM is infinitely more deep than Saren was. I couldn't think of a better antagonist.

Mass Effect 2 left a completely different impression on me. I saw Cerberus as allies who were morally questionable and who you could never fully trust- to me there was almost nothing to imply that Cerberus were going to be antagonists in ME3 (apart from Kaidan/Ashley's silly theory that Cerberus were behind the colony attacks and TIM's evil smile).

I have a feeling that Cerberus being antagonists in ME3 wasn't planned until after ME2 was released (mainly as a means to gain a new enemy other than just husks).

Bioware said that they already had made the whole story even before the first book came out. It might seem that bioware is throwing us crap left and right just to make a story but they have had this planned a long time ago. They know what there doing, it does how ever mean that there will be small changes here and there but as far as the main plot there will be little or no change at all.

[DukeOfNukes]

I think there was an outline before the first book came out...but I doubt they had worked out the details. It's not hard to imagine that Cerberus had a large role planned out in the series, but it's been expanded dramatically.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

The general story was planned out... but not all of the details and variables.

[GodWood]

DukeOfNukes wrote...
I think there was an outline before the first book came out...

ME1: Introduce Reapers.
ME2: Stuff...
ME3: Defeat Reapers

Mesina2 wrote...
Someone explained killing of pope?

I'm pretty sure I would remember that.

From what I remember the Pope was b*tching about what the salarians did to the krogans during the krogan rebellions. 
This was hurting relations between humanity and the salarians so Cerberus assassinated him to shut him up.

Seems reasonable to me.

[pablodurando]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

The general story was planned out... but not all of the details and variables.

Yeah, the general story is this: Shepard stops the Reapers.

 

You're oversimplefying it.  There we're probably more variable such as Cerberus involvement throughout the series, quarian-geth relations, humanity's upcoming role in the galaxy after the Reaper attack as paragon or renegade.

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...
I think there was an outline before the first book came out...

ME1: Introduce Reapers.
ME2: Stuff...
ME3: Defeat Reapers

Mesina2 wrote...
Someone explained killing of pope?

I'm pretty sure I would remember that.

From what I remember the Pope was b*tching about what the salarians did to the krogans during the krogan rebellions. 
This was hurting relations between humanity and the salarians so Cerberus assassinated him to shut him up.

Seems reasonable to me.

That's what makes Cerberus awesome, even the freakin pope is not above getting whacked over endangering human interests.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

ME2 didn't really focus on any positives that Cerberus may have done (or positive aspects to the results of their actions)... so ME2 always did have the feel of 'working with an enemy to stop a greater enemy.'

[Seboist]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME2 didn't really focus on any positives that Cerberus may have done (or positive aspects to the results of their actions)... so ME2 always did have the feel of 'working with an enemy to stop a greater enemy.'

There was some minor focus on their positives like the mission complete reports that said Cerberus was providing aid to the Horizon colony and helping the relief effort of the survivors of the Hugo Gernsback. Then there were things like Project Overlord which besides the whole David issue had a noble objective of trying to avert war with the Geth.

[Massadonious1]

 Political assinations? Awesome!

F--k yeah, 'berus!

[pablodurando]

Saphra Deden wrote...

pablodurando wrote...


There we're probably more variable such as Cerberus involvement throughout the series

No, I guarantee you they had no plans for Cerberus. If they'd been planning for Cerberus to play a large role they'd have been given more attention and development in ME1.

The Collectors are clearly something they pulled out of their ass as well as the "Reapers are organic constructs".

Whoa, I didn't know you were a writer or developer for Mass Effect.  

My opinion is against the norm, but I thought they introduced Cerberus quite well in me1.  That organization that somehow keeps popping up and is involved in several different topics.  Really paints a portrait of mystique for me.

The collecters, meh.

Modifié par pablodurando, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:02 .

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME2 didn't really focus on any positives that Cerberus may have done (or positive aspects to the results of their actions)... so ME2 always did have the feel of 'working with an enemy to stop a greater enemy.'

There was some minor focus on their positives like the mission complete reports that said Cerberus was providing aid to the Horizon colony and helping the relief effort of the survivors of the Hugo Gernsback. Then there were things like Project Overlord which besides the whole David issue had a noble objective of trying to avert war with the Geth.

There's also the references to Mass Effect: Galaxy and... wait for it.... THE ENTIRE MAIN PLOT OF THE DAMN GAME!

Yeah that too. 

[Seboist]

Massadonious1 wrote...

 Political assinations? Awesome!

F--k yeah, 'berus!

You do realize Shepard was/is part of a galactic secret police force that puts the gestapo and stasi to shame, no?

[Massadonious1]

Of course I do.

I don't recall ever being given the option to "silence" someone, mafia style, however.

[Seboist]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Of course I do.

I don't recall ever being given the option to "silence" someone, mafia style, however.

http://masseffect.wi...The_Negotiation

http://masseffect.wi...ostile_Takeover

http://masseffect.wi...UNC:_Major_Kyle

Modifié par Seboist, 20 juillet 2011 - 07:19 .

[Massadonious1]

1. Never obtained the proper amount of Renegade points to ever do that mission.

2. The situation seems a little different. From reading the wiki, it seems like you were sent to kill him anyway, and the "Pope" seems a little far removed from being an arrogant jackass like Darius.

It's like dropping bombs on protesters because they don't approve of the war effort. But hey, as long as "humanities" interests are served, right?

[Seboist]

Massadonious1 wrote...

1. Never obtained the proper amount of Renegade points to ever do that mission.

2. The situation seems a little different. From reading the wiki, it seems like you were sent to kill him anyway, and the "Pope" seems a little far removed from being an arrogant jackass like Darius.

It's like dropping bombs on protesters because they don't approve of the war effort. But hey, as long as "humanities" interests are served, right?

When billions of human lives are in the balance against major alien powers that can put humanity on it's knees then yes an uppity pope mouthing off against an potential ally must be "dealt with".

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Seboist wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME2 didn't really focus on any positives that Cerberus may have done (or positive aspects to the results of their actions)... so ME2 always did have the feel of 'working with an enemy to stop a greater enemy.'

There was some minor focus on their positives like the mission complete reports that said Cerberus was providing aid to the Horizon colony and helping the relief effort of the survivors of the Hugo Gernsback. Then there were things like Project Overlord which besides the whole David issue had a noble objective of trying to avert war with the Geth.

Seems like they touched on it in a text most people skip over or avoid reading.  They could've presented this in the main narrative... show that Cerberus does actually help people from time to time instead of building a reputation of always having something go wrong and nothing right.

[TobyHasEyes]

Saphra Deden wrote...

pablodurando wrote...


Whoa, I didn't know you were a writer or developer for Mass Effect. 

I'm not, I just have a lot of common sense and an analytical mind.