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[KevShep]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh look, another fan encouraging me to just have faith.

Iam not telling you to have faith in the devs. Let me brake it down for you. If the main plot did not.... "appear".... to have major plot holes and the story was known to the player then what would be the reason to give the player choices in the matter of how it turns out? Casey Hudson and others have said that some decisions with bite you in the butt but if you already knew what TIM is really up to in the game then there is no reason to give the player the choice. So..................that is proof that the devs have had the whole story from the start of the whole series with the first book.  

Modifié par KevShep, 21 juillet 2011 - 11:28 .

[Ianamus]

TF141-Archer wrote...

I don't know if it's been brought up but TIM was a big part of the beginning of the newest Reaper cycle. Bottom line while Cerebus is a big part of the series it's an important part. To me the time for other races, organizations, planets and characters to shine will be after this series. Mass Effects 1-3 focus on the Reaper threat, Commander Shepard, the Alliance, Cerberus etc etc. Everything that's been presented so far has had and will have it's time in the spotlight. I think the thing of Cerberus is that they have their little paws in every damn thing.

Is there some info on this that i've missed? If this is true then I'm just....

Why? Why must they ruin the brilliant story that was laid out in Mass Effect 1 by making it ALL "Cerberus's fault"? Are they that desperate to make Cerberus the centre of everything!?  Really sloppy writing.

Let me guess- they will also turn out to be the cause of the First contact war? Heck, why not make them the cause of the Morning war and genophage as well!

It's obvious that they were not planned to play such a huge role from the very beginning. Some writer had the "Brilliant" idea of making the player work for them in ME2, and since then they've been shoehorned into everything.

Modifié par EJ107, 21 juillet 2011 - 11:12 .

[TF141-Archer]

No no you mistook me it's not all Cerberus' fault you have to read the comics. I don't want to spoil anything but TIM was a big part of it, that doesn't make it anyone's fault. He didn't facilitate the Reapers coming he was there when it happened, when Saren's brother discovered a Prothean Beacon they thought they could use it as a form of control, or to make the perfect member of their species.

Also Drew Karpyshyn has worked on all of the games and most of the writing for the outside media so I doubt that it's poor writing. Mass Effect's story is tightly woven and has few to no plot-holes or continuity errors. If you think the writing is bad you should check out Dead Space. I loved the first one but each subsequent one has been a bit of a mess, it's like they've never had the same writers working on the series twice.

Modifié par TF141-Archer, 22 juillet 2011 - 01:08 .

[Ianamus]

TF141-Archer wrote...

No no you mistook me it's not all Cerberus' fault you have to read the comics. I don't want to spoil anything but TIM was a big part of it, that doesn't make it anyone's fault. He didn't facilitate the Reapers coming he was there when it happened, when Saren's brother discovered a Prothean Beacon they thought they could use it as a form of control, or to make the perfect member of their species.

Also Drew Karpyshyn has worked on all of the games and most of the writing for the outside media so I doubt that it's poor writing. Mass Effect's story is tightly woven and has few to no plot-holes or continuity errors. If you think the writing is bad you should check out Dead Space. I loved the first one but each subsequent one has been a bit of a mess, it's like they've never had the same writers working on the series twice.

Ah, thank you for the clarification. I never read Evolution, but I was aware of the overall plot- I thought you meant that some new info had been released revealing that TIM was some sort of evil mastermind who had plotted the Reapers return  With the indoctrination of Cerberus in ME3 I wouldn't be surprised if they revealed something like that. I'm hoping that they come up with a decent explanation, but I'm not counting on it.

Modifié par EJ107, 22 juillet 2011 - 11:18 .

[Ahriman]

TF141-Archer wrote...
 He didn't facilitate the Reapers coming he was there when it happened, when Saren's brother discovered a Prothean Beacon they thought they could use it as a form of control, or to make the perfect member of their species.

It's not prothean beacon, it's Reaper 'shrine', like in Arrival.

[Someone With Mass]

It's funny when we know so much about the secret organization to the point where we know almost nothing about other human factions in comparison.

[TF141-Archer]

Wizz wrote...

TF141-Archer wrote...
 He didn't facilitate the Reapers coming he was there when it happened, when Saren's brother discovered a Prothean Beacon they thought they could use it as a form of control, or to make the perfect member of their species.

It's not prothean beacon, it's Reaper 'shrine', like in Arrival.

Haven't played Arrival . I need the DLC!

[Arijharn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's funny when we know so much about the secret organization to the point where we know almost nothing about other human factions in comparison.

You know, sometimes you irritate me because you're so utterly against Cerberus (from what I can tell at least), but I have to agree with you here. I feel like I know more about Cerberus at times than I know about the Alliance. I think this is a problem considering what Cerberus is supposed to be.

[Seboist]

Arijharn wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

It's funny when we know so much about the secret organization to the point where we know almost nothing about other human factions in comparison.

You know, sometimes you irritate me because you're so utterly against Cerberus (from what I can tell at least), but I have to agree with you here. I feel like I know more about Cerberus at times than I know about the Alliance. I think this is a problem considering what Cerberus is supposed to be.

Which is more jarring when considering that Cerberus was barely featured in ME1 and recieved minimal development in that game.

[Ieldra]

laecraft wrote...
"Mary Sue"? "Favourite character"? A favourite punching bag, more like. Because of all the Cerberus hate, the writers decided that Cerberus would make a better antagonist than the Reapers. That's really all there is to it.

There aren't any other human factions in space because the Earth's resources are already strained by sponsoring Cerberus. Interspellar missions and cutting-edge tech research are expensive business. We aren't as rich as the asari. Or did you think that TIM was exaggerating when he told you that humanity is Cerberus?

Cerberus is a main antagonist
+
Cerberus is humanity
=
Humanity is a main antagonist.

Somehow I doubt that's the direction it will be going...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:07 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

TF141-Archer wrote...

Also Drew Karpyshyn has worked on all of the games and most of the writing for the outside media so I doubt that it's poor writing. Mass Effect's story is tightly woven and has few to no plot-holes or continuity errors.

Meh. Sometimes having the same writer is just as bad as having them change.
Drew Karpyshins names does nothing to allivate my (justified) concerns.

[Babli]

Yeah, I am really tired of Cerberus.

[Seboist]

Has Drew worked on ME3?

[DCarter]

Having cerberus be 40% of the enemies you face in ME3 is ridiculous. We spent most of ME2 being shown that there's a good side to cerberus only to have it all thrown back in our face in ME3.

[Arijharn]

Seboist wrote...

Has Drew worked on ME3?

I don't think so, didn't he leave for Star Wars half way through ME2?

[Seboist]

Arijharn wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Has Drew worked on ME3?

I don't think so, didn't he leave for Star Wars half way through ME2?

I believe so.

[didymos1120]

Arijharn wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Has Drew worked on ME3?

I don't think so, didn't he leave for Star Wars half way through ME2?

Yeah.  I'm sure there were a few things/ideas of his that weren't used in the first two games that have gotten incorporated, but he's not writing dialogue or sub-plots or anything like that for ME3.

[Seboist]

DCarter wrote...

Having cerberus be 40% of the enemies you face in ME3 is ridiculous. We spent most of ME2 being shown that there's a good side to cerberus only to have it all thrown back in our face in ME3.

Having to fight the human patriots of Cerberus is the greatest tragedy of ME3. I might end up having a nervous breakdown if I have to kill TIM.....

[Lotion Soronarr]

Seboist wrote...

DCarter wrote...

Having cerberus be 40% of the enemies you face in ME3 is ridiculous. We spent most of ME2 being shown that there's a good side to cerberus only to have it all thrown back in our face in ME3.

Having to fight the human patriots of Cerberus is the greatest tragedy of ME3. I might end up having a nervous breakdown if I have to kill TIM.....

If that happes the game goes into the trash bin.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Well it only goes to the trash bin of those who don't want to kill TIM...

[JimiShep]

I for one completely agree with the "fan boys"!

Cerberus in ME1 was perfectly set-up for ME2! (I find it funny that I almost always agree with Kevshep) Why would they expand their story in ME1 when we find out so much more about them in ME2....

The fact is that we do not know anything about the ending of Shepards story in the slightest! Thats why there is a whole other game to play!!! All we have is speculation....

It makes no sense to me when people complain about Cerberus being 40% of the enemies in ME3 when they haven't played the game.

Here is one option (out of many) and my opinion....

The Illusive man has been working for the reapers all along!!! (OMG, don't say that) The Reapers have wanted Humans for longer then we think... Hence all of the experiments Cerberus has conducted over the years. Even working with the Thorian and indoctronation makes perfect sense to me. Has anyone ever thought about this... why is that pyramid with a flash back text to early humans on the same planet as three Cerberus bases in ME1...

People also do not give Harbinger enough credit aswell... This is a Reaper with plans within plans! Listen to what he says rather then critizing the voice acting and comparing him with Sovvy.

I believe that when Harbinger says "you have failed we will find another way" he is either talking about the Human Reaper being destroyed or get this..... the whole plan for capturing Shepard and uploading him into said Reaper. The whole IFF was a trap from the beginning and it failed because Shep uses the shuttle and isn't there when the collectors come for him! But in the end of M2 shep did in fact make it to the Collector base (where Harbinger wanted him in the first place). He just underestimated Shep and his team like everyone else and his plan failed!

The whole point I'm trying to to make is that we simply don't know why Cerberus is 40% of the enemies in ME3, but without a doubt it will be explained! im not going to be mad either way it plays out... great stories have many plot twists and it's pretty clear Cerberus will be one of them!

[Gatt9]

JimiShep wrote...

I for one completely agree with the "fan boys"!

Cerberus in ME1 was perfectly set-up for ME2! (I find it funny that I almost always agree with Kevshep) Why would they expand their story in ME1 when we find out so much more about them in ME2....

The fact is that we do not know anything about the ending of Shepards story in the slightest! Thats why there is a whole other game to play!!! All we have is speculation....

It makes no sense to me when people complain about Cerberus being 40% of the enemies in ME3 when they haven't played the game.

Here is one option (out of many) and my opinion....

The Illusive man has been working for the reapers all along!!! (OMG, don't say that) The Reapers have wanted Humans for longer then we think... Hence all of the experiments Cerberus has conducted over the years. Even working with the Thorian and indoctronation makes perfect sense to me. Has anyone ever thought about this... why is that pyramid with a flash back text to early humans on the same planet as three Cerberus bases in ME1...

People also do not give Harbinger enough credit aswell... This is a Reaper with plans within plans! Listen to what he says rather then critizing the voice acting and comparing him with Sovvy.

I believe that when Harbinger says "you have failed we will find another way" he is either talking about the Human Reaper being destroyed or get this..... the whole plan for capturing Shepard and uploading him into said Reaper. The whole IFF was a trap from the beginning and it failed because Shep uses the shuttle and isn't there when the collectors come for him! But in the end of M2 shep did in fact make it to the Collector base (where Harbinger wanted him in the first place). He just underestimated Shep and his team like everyone else and his plan failed!

The whole point I'm trying to to make is that we simply don't know why Cerberus is 40% of the enemies in ME3, but without a doubt it will be explained! im not going to be mad either way it plays out... great stories have many plot twists and it's pretty clear Cerberus will be one of them!

Um,  seriously,  they wiped out the galaxy successfully several times,  and would've done it again this time if Soverign(sic) hadn't failed. 

Why exactly do they need TIM to pull off what they've already done a dozen times before?  Especially since TIM is only usefull against Humans,  the newest and therefore least advanced race,  and is completely useless versus all of the other races who'll pretty consistently prove to be a great deal more difficult to kill.

Nevermind the fact that it makes a great deal more sense to just infiltrate the Geth network,  and rewrite their code to be subservient to the Reapers,  since Cerebrus is relatively insignificant and they could just assume control of an entire race instead.

There's a huge problem when your story is about how some ancient all-powerful race is killing everyone on Earth,  and nearly half of the primary enemies are random terrorists that the Reapers don't actually need anyways.

It looks to me like Bioware's just repeating their same old formula,  Act 1,  Act 2,  Finish.  TIM,  Reaper setback,  Repear.

Which,  if that's the case,  this'll be in the top 3 weakest Bioware games to date,  because Cerberus was already a seriously forced and flawed plot device.