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[superwiggy]

JimiShep wrote...

I for one completely agree with the "fan boys"!

Cerberus in ME1 was perfectly set-up for ME2! (I find it funny that I almost always agree with Kevshep) Why would they expand their story in ME1 when we find out so much more about them in ME2....

The fact is that we do not know anything about the ending of Shepards story in the slightest! Thats why there is a whole other game to play!!! All we have is speculation....

It makes no sense to me when people complain about Cerberus being 40% of the enemies in ME3 when they haven't played the game.

Here is one option (out of many) and my opinion....

The Illusive man has been working for the reapers all along!!! (OMG, don't say that) The Reapers have wanted Humans for longer then we think... Hence all of the experiments Cerberus has conducted over the years. Even working with the Thorian and indoctronation makes perfect sense to me. Has anyone ever thought about this... why is that pyramid with a flash back text to early humans on the same planet as three Cerberus bases in ME1...

People also do not give Harbinger enough credit aswell... This is a Reaper with plans within plans! Listen to what he says rather then critizing the voice acting and comparing him with Sovvy.

I believe that when Harbinger says "you have failed we will find another way" he is either talking about the Human Reaper being destroyed or get this..... the whole plan for capturing Shepard and uploading him into said Reaper. The whole IFF was a trap from the beginning and it failed because Shep uses the shuttle and isn't there when the collectors come for him! But in the end of M2 shep did in fact make it to the Collector base (where Harbinger wanted him in the first place). He just underestimated Shep and his team like everyone else and his plan failed!

The whole point I'm trying to to make is that we simply don't know why Cerberus is 40% of the enemies in ME3, but without a doubt it will be explained! im not going to be mad either way it plays out... great stories have many plot twists and it's pretty clear Cerberus will be one of them!

i swear if thats a twist in Mass Effect 3 and you just ruined it i willed be p.o'd

[JimiShep]

Gatt9 wrote...

JimiShep wrote...

I for one completely agree with the "fan boys"!

Cerberus in ME1 was perfectly set-up for ME2! (I find it funny that I almost always agree with Kevshep) Why would they expand their story in ME1 when we find out so much more about them in ME2....

The fact is that we do not know anything about the ending of Shepards story in the slightest! Thats why there is a whole other game to play!!! All we have is speculation....

It makes no sense to me when people complain about Cerberus being 40% of the enemies in ME3 when they haven't played the game.

Here is one option (out of many) and my opinion....

The Illusive man has been working for the reapers all along!!! (OMG, don't say that) The Reapers have wanted Humans for longer then we think... Hence all of the experiments Cerberus has conducted over the years. Even working with the Thorian and indoctronation makes perfect sense to me. Has anyone ever thought about this... why is that pyramid with a flash back text to early humans on the same planet as three Cerberus bases in ME1...

People also do not give Harbinger enough credit aswell... This is a Reaper with plans within plans! Listen to what he says rather then critizing the voice acting and comparing him with Sovvy.

I believe that when Harbinger says "you have failed we will find another way" he is either talking about the Human Reaper being destroyed or get this..... the whole plan for capturing Shepard and uploading him into said Reaper. The whole IFF was a trap from the beginning and it failed because Shep uses the shuttle and isn't there when the collectors come for him! But in the end of M2 shep did in fact make it to the Collector base (where Harbinger wanted him in the first place). He just underestimated Shep and his team like everyone else and his plan failed!

The whole point I'm trying to to make is that we simply don't know why Cerberus is 40% of the enemies in ME3, but without a doubt it will be explained! im not going to be mad either way it plays out... great stories have many plot twists and it's pretty clear Cerberus will be one of them!

Um,  seriously,  they wiped out the galaxy successfully several times,  and would've done it again this time if Soverign(sic) hadn't failed. 

Why exactly do they need TIM to pull off what they've already done a dozen times before?  Especially since TIM is only usefull against Humans,  the newest and therefore least advanced race,  and is completely useless versus all of the other races who'll pretty consistently prove to be a great deal more difficult to kill.

Nevermind the fact that it makes a great deal more sense to just infiltrate the Geth network,  and rewrite their code to be subservient to the Reapers,  since Cerebrus is relatively insignificant and they could just assume control of an entire race instead.

There's a huge problem when your story is about how some ancient all-powerful race is killing everyone on Earth,  and nearly half of the primary enemies are random terrorists that the Reapers don't actually need anyways.

It looks to me like Bioware's just repeating their same old formula,  Act 1,  Act 2,  Finish.  TIM,  Reaper setback,  Repear.

Which,  if that's the case,  this'll be in the top 3 weakest Bioware games to date,  because Cerberus was already a seriously forced and flawed plot device.

Yeah they wiped out the whole galaxy time and time again, they are very efficient! There is Something Else going on with Humanity that we don't know yet. Hence why Cerberus plays a very large role in the Story. I am sorry, but I don't really get what you mean by other races are harder to kill? Plus we don't know exactly how many humans are being killed on Earth.

If im not mistaken they were in the process of rewriting the geth until Legion and Shep stopped them anyways.

Now about the least advanced race I completely disagree with... just because you are the newest does not make you less advanced and hasn't TIM been pushing for the advancement of Humanity from the beginning! TIM has been directly involved with futhering Humanities advance, who is to say that the reapers arn't behind it!

I know my thoery has A LOT of holes... and it's not my only theory! The point I was trying to make (and failed) is that we really won't know until we play ME3! The reason why Cerberus is fighting Shep IS a Spolier.......

[JimiShep]

superwiggy wrote...



i swear if thats a twist in Mass Effect 3 and you just ruined it i willed be p.o'd

I am sorry for posting that Theory... it was not my intention to ****** you off.

[Nightdragon8]

guys you do realize what Cerberus is doing right? Or TIM i should say, its a Xanatos Gambit or at least some sort of Gambit. TIM's goal is to make Humanity number 1 in the galaxy. So he started illegal experaments to gain knowlege in how to make better everything.

Shep was a prefect PR point in that he was one of the first steps to gaining human dominance, when Shep died because of the collector/reaper wanting to get him, I really don't think TIM was working for the Reapers at least at that time.

So after Shep is brought back to life, by Cerberus Shep works for them for awhile. Mainly due the inaction of the Alliance.to help the colonies. (which turns out to be not completely true later because of the VS on Horizon when they are installing the Gardian Laser battery)

Later at the end of ME2 explicitly after the events in Arrival, Cerberus is now effectily using itself as the "bad guy" to get the races to rally around Shepard, considering all the flak Shep got from everyone who find out he is working for Cerberus. So now that Cerberus is out to kill him, Shep must be a good guy right?

At this point with TIM giving the reapers Cerberus operatives is a gambit in order for the human race to survive. If Shep happens to fail.

[Seboist]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DCarter wrote...

Having cerberus be 40% of the enemies you face in ME3 is ridiculous. We spent most of ME2 being shown that there's a good side to cerberus only to have it all thrown back in our face in ME3.

Having to fight the human patriots of Cerberus is the greatest tragedy of ME3. I might end up having a nervous breakdown if I have to kill TIM.....

If that happes the game goes into the trash bin.

I wouldn't go that far but ultimately the way Cerberus and TIM are portrayed will be the deciding factor on whether I consider the game canon or not.

Modifié par Seboist, 24 juillet 2011 - 10:54 .

[alperez]

Seboist wrote...

I wouldn't go that far but ultimately the way Cerberus and TIM are portrayed will be the deciding factor on whether I consider the game canon or not.

Whether or not You consider the game canon, seriously?

Your now basing your opinion on the game not on the Protagonist's actions and motivations but on the actions and motivations of an organisation that may have been set up to play an antagonist's role all along.

Somewhere along the line you seem to have forgotten that this game is not about Cerberus, they are a component, a plot device and nothing else, the game didn't start out with you as TIM in charge of this organisation called Cerberus and you were able to mould that organisation into whatever You wanted it to be. It has been from the get go Shepard's view on things and Shepard's response to events and the actions that you as Shepard take to influence or change those events.

The fact that an organisation like Cerberus was brought into the game to fulfill a specific role and that your knowledge and understanding of that role is based on the info your given might mean that your original understanding of that organisation and its place in the grand scheme of things may change, doesn't nullify the games story as canon just because you disagree with how your original perception and the truth of that organisation may be.

I mean seriously, what your saying is the equivelent of saying that if the reapers justification for what they're doing isn't the same as You originally thought then you won't consider that canon.

[Arijharn]

Seboist wrote...

I wouldn't go that far but ultimately the way Cerberus and TIM are portrayed will be the deciding factor on whether I consider the game canon or not.

I don't see that you have much choice in the matter to be honest.

[SandTrout]

I think that what Seboist means is that if BioWare does a poor job explaining Cerberus's sudden shift to aiding the Reapers, he looses faith in the Mass Effect canon as a whole. I have to say that I agree with the sentiment.

If one of the most interesting and complex potential villains for future media is turned into Cobra, then I may abandon the franchise as well

[Arijharn]

Was C&C4 really that bad? I'm asking that because I thought 3 was actually pretty darn good.

[Para Pett]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

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Later at the end of ME2 explicitly after the events in Arrival, Cerberus is now effectily using itself as the "bad guy" to get the races to rally around Shepard, considering all the flak Shep got from everyone who find out he is working for Cerberus. So now that Cerberus is out to kill him, Shep must be a good guy right?

At this point with TIM giving the reapers Cerberus operatives is a gambit in order for the human race to survive. If Shep happens to fail.

That my friend, is exactly my thoughts.  Well said

[Ieldra]

SandTrout wrote...
I think that what Seboist means is that if BioWare does a poor job explaining Cerberus's sudden shift to aiding the Reapers, he looses faith in the Mass Effect canon as a whole. I have to say that I agree with the sentiment.

I agree with this.

There was a hypothesis posted a few days ago, saying that TIM has found a way that his faction can hide from the Reaper invasion and outlast their occupation, so they're now helping them along to destroy the rest of the galaxy in order for "Cerberus humanity" to be the only intelligent organic species left in the galaxy after the Reapers have gone "home".

This I could believe. It's the only such hypothesis so far though. Even TIM wouldn't be megalomaniac enough to believe the Reapers would accept anyone as an ally. And "indoctrinated TIM" would cheapen the characters so much that it would be a severe disappointment.

[SandTrout]

@Ieldra2,

I have posted my theory about TIM playing a double agent for the Reapers while actually undermining the invasion, or waiting for the appropriate chance to strike.

The idea of TIM having some hidden system to wait out the invasion would be somewhat believable as well. If that were the case, then you are correct in that TIM would want the Reapers' job to go as quickly and cleanly as possible. The only problem I have with this theory is that the Reapers always leave behind a scout like Nazara to keep an eye on things. TIM's enclave would not likely be able to expand very far before they got found out and the vanguard triggered a second purge.

[Seboist]

SandTrout wrote...

I think that what Seboist means is that if BioWare does a poor job explaining Cerberus's sudden shift to aiding the Reapers, he looses faith in the Mass Effect canon as a whole. I have to say that I agree with the sentiment.

If one of the most interesting and complex potential villains for future media is turned into Cobra, then I may abandon the franchise as well

Yeah, pretty much this. If TIM who's supposed to be this magnificent bastard character who represents the "best and worst of humanity" only lives up to the bastard part then I'll be very disappointed with the canon.

It's bad enough we have bull**** like the sacrifice the council decision being made into a total joke and squadmates who favored keeping the collecttor base making a complete 180 out of nowhere but this? That's where the line ends for me.

Modifié par Seboist, 25 juillet 2011 - 08:55 .

[Dexi]

Seboist wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

I think that what Seboist means is that if BioWare does a poor job explaining Cerberus's sudden shift to aiding the Reapers, he looses faith in the Mass Effect canon as a whole. I have to say that I agree with the sentiment.

If one of the most interesting and complex potential villains for future media is turned into Cobra, then I may abandon the franchise as well

Yeah, pretty much this. If TIM who's supposed to be this magnificent bastard character who represents the "best and worst of humanity" only lives up to the bastard part then I'll be very disappointed with the canon.

It's bad enough we have bull**** like the sacrifice the council decision being made into a total joke and squadmates who favored keeping the collecttor base making a complete 180 out of nowhere but this? That's where the line ends for me.

And you think who gives a ****? 

Lotsa people here who only know to whine and whose opinions are biased.

[Ieldra]

SandTrout wrote...
@Ieldra2,

I have posted my theory about TIM playing a double agent for the Reapers while actually undermining the invasion, or waiting for the appropriate chance to strike.

The idea of TIM having some hidden system to wait out the invasion would be somewhat believable as well. If that were the case, then you are correct in that TIM would want the Reapers' job to go as quickly and cleanly as possible. The only problem I have with this theory is that the Reapers always leave behind a scout like Nazara to keep an eye on things. TIM's enclave would not likely be able to expand very far before they got found out and the vanguard triggered a second purge.

The galaxy is big. 300 billion stars, "only" 1% (still 3 billion) of them explored by Citadel civilization. The Reapers had an easy time to find the civilizations of the galaxy because they all eventually ended up on the Citadel or in contact with civilizations on it. But once you know how to build mass portals and know that using the Citadel is a bad idea, it's almost impossible to find your civilization if you want to remain hidden.

TIM as a double agent is another possibility, but I'm having a hard time seeing the benefit of it. Unless he gets information about the Reapers themselves, their makeup and their deployment, which I think they'd want to avoid.

[Nightdragon8]

TIM wants survival above everything else. That is his only real goal. If he has to sell out 99% of the human population to survive, I'm sure he is willing to do it.

Thats not saying that he won't help Shep in anyway that he can, because he is one hte the only hopes left in the universe.

Considering he did take down a collector base with a group of criminals and a few friends. Thats pretty impressive. Even to Reaper standards it has to say something about Shep.

[Arijharn]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Was C&C4 really that bad? I'm asking that because I thought 3 was actually pretty darn good.

I never played 3 or 4. The build up to 3 convinced me I was done with the series. As far as I'm concerne Firestorm was where the series ended.

"Oh yes... and multiple missile launch detected!"

I miss Cabal Seriously, Legion just sort of lacked in comparison, but that's for another reason. Anyway, what I'm saying is that C&C3 turned out alright, as it was still noticeably C&C. 4 was apparently dogs breakfast, but I've only heard that from friends of friends, I don't know anyone who's actually directly played it.

[Seboist]

Arijharn wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Was C&C4 really that bad? I'm asking that because I thought 3 was actually pretty darn good.

I never played 3 or 4. The build up to 3 convinced me I was done with the series. As far as I'm concerne Firestorm was where the series ended.

"Oh yes... and multiple missile launch detected!"

I miss Cabal Seriously, Legion just sort of lacked in comparison, but that's for another reason. Anyway, what I'm saying is that C&C3 turned out alright, as it was still noticeably C&C. 4 was apparently dogs breakfast, but I've only heard that from friends of friends, I don't know anyone who's actually directly played it.

C&C4 got rid of base building and tiberian harvesting...... that's all that needs to be said aout that.

[Arijharn]

So... they got rid of everything that made C&C C&C in the first place? o.0

It sounds like they were trying to make a Dawn of War clone

[Seboist]

Arijharn wrote...

So... they got rid of everything that made C&C C&C in the first place? o.0

It sounds like they were trying to make a Dawn of War clone

Yeah and the Scrin are no longer a playable faction, in fact I don't even know if they're in it at all.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

So... they got rid of everything that made C&C C&C in the first place? o.0

It sounds like they were trying to make a Dawn of War clone

Yeah and the Scrin are no longer a playable faction, in fact I don't even know if they're in it at all.

Didn't they also make Kane's ultimative "plan" into him simply wanting to go home to whereever he came from?