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[ProneToGlory]

 So, I decided to be a complete RP freak this time, my character is a Templar, Chantry loving, malifacar hating noble, and because of this I cannot perform the dark ritual, also because of this I killed wynne...I have no healer for the final battle, Im basically ****ed here. Is there anyway I can win in this outcome, oh yeah and Im on hard difficulty.

[Agamo45]

Why kill Wynne? She is a loyal follower of the Chantry, doesn't make any sense.

[ProneToGlory]

I killed wynne because my guys a Templar and Devout follower of the Chantry, therefore I would kill the mages, which makes wynne attack you.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

My Cousland PC was a Templar and Chantry-follower but he didn't have to kill Wynne because he said he was going into the Tower to kill abominations, not Mages. The Mages are all dead, he has an army of Templars, but Wynne didn't protest and is actually traveling with him. It seemed pretty weird to me, but it's doable. Do you have an earlier save you can re-start?

If not, you're not entirely screwed. The Final Battle is not impossible even without a healer. Just take lots of health poultices and injury kits with you. Also if you have Shale maxed out on Stone Aura that can provide some extra defense.

[ProneToGlory]

no shale and no sten, my guy thought he should die, so oghren is by himself defending the gates by himself, really the scariest situation

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Buy lots of poultices. You can do it without a mage.

[Last Darkness]

ProneToGlory wrote...

no shale and no sten, my guy thought he should die, so oghren is by himself defending the gates by himself, really the scariest situation

Really?  even though Ohgren is a known, shunned and exiled Murderer as well?

Its winable still certainly, make sure you save your armies for the Archdemon fight. Use them on it.
Craft lots of poultices, not a very hard or exepensive thing.

Unfortunetly, Shale/Morrigan/Wynne are your best healers (Shale has a uber Health regen party buff in Stone Aura)

What characters and classes do you have?
I assume you have Dog, Alistair, Leliana, Ohgren.  Did you kill Zevran?
What weapons styles did you set them up with? and what classes?

Also what weapon style and classes are you?

[LeBurns]

Interesting RP and and I see why you made your choices. I had a city elf once who gladly watched Redcliff burn to the ground.

Just try it with what you have and be sure to have a good save before the start. If it's a total fail just reload and reset the difficulty. No harm in that anyway. In this playthough the role-play is more important than the stats.

[ProneToGlory]

Last Darkness wrote...

ProneToGlory wrote...

no shale and no sten, my guy thought he should die, so oghren is by himself defending the gates by himself, really the scariest situation

Really?  even though Ohgren is a known, shunned and exiled Murderer as well?

Its winable still certainly, make sure you save your armies for the Archdemon fight. Use them on it.
Craft lots of poultices, not a very hard or exepensive thing.

Unfortunetly, Shale/Morrigan/Wynne are your best healers (Shale has a uber Health regen party buff in Stone Aura)

What characters and classes do you have?
I assume you have Dog, Alistair, Leliana, Ohgren.  Did you kill Zevran?
What weapons styles did you set them up with? and what classes?

Also what weapon style and classes are you?

Im a 2-handed Templar/Berzerker. Im Taking Loghain over Alistair, as my Noble believes in the ends justify the means, and Loghain is a better general and more expierance fighter. I have Zevran as my noble respected him for his attempted assassination. I do have morrigan but my guy believes that the Dark Ritual is wrong and evil so she will leave. No shale cause I don't have that DLC, or well it doesnt work. I do have leliana. Oh and im using the always have Dog so thats why Oghren is alone. I respecced Oghren to be Sword n Board Berzerker/Champ

[Last Darkness]

ProneToGlory wrote...

Im a 2-handed Templar/Berzerker. Im Taking Loghain over Alistair, as my Noble believes in the ends justify the means, and Loghain is a better general and more expierance fighter. I have Zevran as my noble respected him for his attempted assassination. I do have morrigan but my guy believes that the Dark Ritual is wrong and evil so she will leave. No shale cause I don't have that DLC, or well it doesnt work. I do have leliana. Oh and im using the always have Dog so thats why Oghren is alone. I respecced Oghren to be Sword n Board Berzerker/Champ

Well first off, Berserker is the worst spec for a Two-Hander Style. Only adding 8 damage a strike and reducing your stamina regen is always bad on a talent spamer like two-hand. The health Regen  from it may work in your favour though at least.

Alistair isnt so bad when he hardened, and you can harden Alistair and spare Loghain and have Ali marry Anora and keep Loghain alive and in your party. 

With your play through though im surprised you have Morrigan, I mena she is a Apostate. You could have ran her off at any time in camp. Seems very contrary to character youve presented.

Dog is good but you may have wanted to bring Oghren instead of Dog unless he dosnt do more damage or survive less.

Leliana is pretty straight forward at least. You could have Leliana and Zevran both be Bards by any chance and have them sing two songs of courage or valor. It can certainly help.

[ProneToGlory]

Last Darkness wrote...

ProneToGlory wrote...

Im a 2-handed Templar/Berzerker. Im Taking Loghain over Alistair, as my Noble believes in the ends justify the means, and Loghain is a better general and more expierance fighter. I have Zevran as my noble respected him for his attempted assassination. I do have morrigan but my guy believes that the Dark Ritual is wrong and evil so she will leave. No shale cause I don't have that DLC, or well it doesnt work. I do have leliana. Oh and im using the always have Dog so thats why Oghren is alone. I respecced Oghren to be Sword n Board Berzerker/Champ

Well first off, Berserker is the worst spec for a Two-Hander Style. Only adding 8 damage a strike and reducing your stamina regen is always bad on a talent spamer like two-hand. The health Regen  from it may work in your favour though at least.

Alistair isnt so bad when he hardened, and you can harden Alistair and spare Loghain and have Ali marry Anora and keep Loghain alive and in your party. 

With your play through though im surprised you have Morrigan, I mena she is a Apostate. You could have ran her off at any time in camp. Seems very contrary to character youve presented.

Dog is good but you may have wanted to bring Oghren instead of Dog unless he dosnt do more damage or survive less.

Leliana is pretty straight forward at least. You could have Leliana and Zevran both be Bards by any chance and have them sing two songs of courage or valor. It can certainly help.

I kept morrigan for the sex...in an RPing way. My guys a womanizer, never got to her companion quest until later.
If berzerker is so awful would Reaver be a better alternative?

[Last Darkness]

ProneToGlory wrote...

I kept morrigan for the sex...in an RPing way. My guys a womanizer, never got to her companion quest until later.
If berzerker is so awful would Reaver be a better alternative?

Lol sounds like the Dragon Age Manga there. Templar x Mage Sex.

Reaver is a sound choice for any Warrior build.   The first ability is the only heal warriors get and the second is a long duration str based stun. Champion is good too.

I like Reaver/Templar for Two-Hand Warriors myself. Since Champions Rally really sucks your stamina and as a two-hander you really want to conserve stamina for talent spaming.

Im surprised you didnt Romance Leliana instead, she seems much more up your ally.

[LT123]

...Dare I suggest dropping the difficulty? If you're beating your head against a wall and it's not longer fun, that would be an option.

Buy lots of poultices, like Shadow of Light Dragon said. There will be an opportunity to shop during the final battle.

Are you getting curbstomped at a particular point in the battle?

[Morwen Eledhwen]

I know on Normal difficulty you really don't need a healer at all. In my last playthrough, the Archdemon jumped where I didn't expect him to and landed smack on top of Morrigan and Dog, killing them both instantly. He only had about 1/4 of his health gone so I had to finish the last 3/4 of the battle with just my Dalish archer and Loghain. And we didn't even use up all of our health poultices. If things get ugly, just lower the difficulty. It may sting a bit, but it's less tedious than going all the way back and starting a pre-Final Battle or even a pre-Circle game save.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Just have Zevran and Leliana man two different ballistae to pummel the archdemon. Keep them in stealth so they don't get attacked (max stealth so they can use it in battle). Won't matter if your other characters die, so long as one of them gets the final kill blow.

[ProneToGlory]

Last Darkness wrote...

ProneToGlory wrote...

I kept morrigan for the sex...in an RPing way. My guys a womanizer, never got to her companion quest until later.
If berzerker is so awful would Reaver be a better alternative?

Lol sounds like the Dragon Age Manga there. Templar x Mage Sex.

Reaver is a sound choice for any Warrior build.   The first ability is the only heal warriors get and the second is a long duration str based stun. Champion is good too.

I like Reaver/Templar for Two-Hand Warriors myself. Since Champions Rally really sucks your stamina and as a two-hander you really want to conserve stamina for talent spaming.

Im surprised you didnt Romance Leliana instead, she seems much more up your ally.

I did romance Leliana, I romanced both, I then had to choose, basically told morrigan too **** off  my guys kind of a douche

[ProneToGlory]

Last Darkness wrote...

ProneToGlory wrote...

no shale and no sten, my guy thought he should die, so oghren is by himself defending the gates by himself, really the scariest situation

Really?  even though Ohgren is a known, shunned and exiled Murderer as well?

Oghren is thought of as needed to find Branka, so my PC takes him along, and in the end, sees Oghren as a good person that hit a very bad rough patch. With Sten my PC was disgusted, this monster slaughtered a family, and so soon after my PC's family was slaughtered by Howe. 

With Wynne, my PC did not want to kill her but he was getting more and more annoyed by her stubborness, he believed that there is no way he can allow a single mage to walk out alive, in case one is an abomination. When Wynne would not step aside, he ran her through. 

When it came to Connor and Isolde, my PC was left with two choices, conduct Blood Magic which is clearly forbidden by the Chantry, or kill one to save many. Even though yes he believes that the ends justify the means, he could not and would not use blood magic. So i killed connor.

Thought I would explain some of my decisions

[Last Darkness]

ProneToGlory wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

ProneToGlory wrote...

no shale and no sten, my guy thought he should die, so oghren is by himself defending the gates by himself, really the scariest situation

Really?  even though Ohgren is a known, shunned and exiled Murderer as well?

Oghren is thought of as needed to find Branka, so my PC takes him along, and in the end, sees Oghren as a good person that hit a very bad rough patch. With Sten my PC was disgusted, this monster slaughtered a family, and so soon after my PC's family was slaughtered by Howe. 

With Wynne, my PC did not want to kill her but he was getting more and more annoyed by her stubborness, he believed that there is no way he can allow a single mage to walk out alive, in case one is an abomination. When Wynne would not step aside, he ran her through. 

When it came to Connor and Isolde, my PC was left with two choices, conduct Blood Magic which is clearly forbidden by the Chantry, or kill one to save many. Even though yes he believes that the ends justify the means, he could not and would not use blood magic. So i killed connor.

Thought I would explain some of my decisions

See thats funny, Ohgrens a unrepentant murderer and womaniser.  Sten is repentant, regrets what he did. He did it in a panic state after waking up with his equipment gone in a place he didnt know after being attacked by darkspawn.
Personaly I view your opinion juxtaposed here but oh well.

I can understand the Mage Tower, and Wynne will not let you do anything but save the Mages.

As for Connor, you also removed the option for the non-blood magic ritual done by the Circle mages to save Connor.
Did you personaly kill the boy or did you make Isolde do it? either way pretty cold man, you let a demon manipulate you into killing a innocent child and did nothing to actualy stop the demon.  Hard core lol

Anyways back to OP try lowering the difficulty as suggested. Or just go get more healing items. Should be fine.

[ejoslin]

The demon did not want Connor killed so there was no manipulation going on there. And it may seem cold, but killing Connor is actually what the Chantry law requires. Mages are imprisoned, abominations are killed.

Had Isolde done to her own family what she considered the right thing for other families (called the templars and had the mage sent to the tower), many many other people's children would not have been killed...

I wonder what Isolde would do if she learned of blood magic being performed in Redcliff, even one ritual, if it benefitted anyone but herself and her son?

[Arthur Cousland]

Hopefully you don't get swarmed by oges and emissaries in the marketplace battle.

For the archdemon fight, equip the Corruption helmet for 75% spirit resistance.

What is your warden's build like? Perhaps a high defense setup with decent health regen would have helped. If you're not constantly taking damage, having Evon the Great's Mail, a lifegiver ring, and The Rose's Thorn will give you a decent amount of health regen during combat.

If you really want a self-sufficient character who isn't reliant on companions to get through the game, try an arcane warrior.

[ProneToGlory]

Last Darkness wrote...

ProneToGlory wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

ProneToGlory wrote...

no shale and no sten, my guy thought he should die, so oghren is by himself defending the gates by himself, really the scariest situation

Really?  even though Ohgren is a known, shunned and exiled Murderer as well?

Oghren is thought of as needed to find Branka, so my PC takes him along, and in the end, sees Oghren as a good person that hit a very bad rough patch. With Sten my PC was disgusted, this monster slaughtered a family, and so soon after my PC's family was slaughtered by Howe. 

With Wynne, my PC did not want to kill her but he was getting more and more annoyed by her stubborness, he believed that there is no way he can allow a single mage to walk out alive, in case one is an abomination. When Wynne would not step aside, he ran her through. 

When it came to Connor and Isolde, my PC was left with two choices, conduct Blood Magic which is clearly forbidden by the Chantry, or kill one to save many. Even though yes he believes that the ends justify the means, he could not and would not use blood magic. So i killed connor.

Thought I would explain some of my decisions

See thats funny, Ohgrens a unrepentant murderer and womaniser.  Sten is repentant, regrets what he did. He did it in a panic state after waking up with his equipment gone in a place he didnt know after being attacked by darkspawn.
Personaly I view your opinion juxtaposed here but oh well.

I can understand the Mage Tower, and Wynne will not let you do anything but save the Mages.

As for Connor, you also removed the option for the non-blood magic ritual done by the Circle mages to save Connor.
Did you personaly kill the boy or did you make Isolde do it? either way pretty cold man, you let a demon manipulate you into killing a innocent child and did nothing to actualy stop the demon.  Hard core lol

Anyways back to OP try lowering the difficulty as suggested. Or just go get more healing items. Should be fine.

I expained the Sten thing, my guy had no time to meet him, I was not forced to take him and I simply decided I would not that a murderer, one who hade killed a whole family, with me. With Oghren he killed a man in a duel, yes to first blood, but people should have been prepared for death, its a ****ing duel, expecially against a berzerker who lets his rage run wild. I also had to time to talk to oghren, since my PC is also a womanizer they had something to talk about

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

If he's a womanizer, he's not a very good or devout Chantry believer. Is he supposed to be hypocritical?

[Requiesta De Silencia]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

If he's a womanizer, he's not a very good or devout Chantry believer. Is he supposed to be hypocritical?

that'd make for a really interesting rp concept, a devout womanizer but also a devout chantrygoer

[ProneToGlory]

Oh ****, the whole celibacy thing. Okay so this is my first time RPing a character, so for future reference is it just the Templars who are sworn to celibacy? But there are plenty of christian people who have sex with multiple partners.

[Furtled]

ProneToGlory wrote...
for future reference is it just the Templars who are sworn to celibacy?

The Templars aren't sworn to celibacy, they can even marry provided the person they marry has their own means of support for themselves and any potential children.

Modifié par Furtled, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:28 .