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[Guns]

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

[Raiil]

So BioWare should cater to you instead?

[pablodurando]

 If Bioware does as you suggest they lose a huge portion of sales and future fans.   It would not be a smart business move.

[KingNothing125]

Yeah, so, you know what? Maybe you should wait until see what kind of a job they do integrating Vega into the story before you complain.

You act like he's gonna pop into the CIC and say "HEY SHEPURD I JUST GOT HERE, WHAT IS GOING ON WHAT ARE THOSE GIGANTIC BLACK THINGS HI MY NAME IS JIMMY VEGA BY THE WAY"

Modifié par KingNothing125, 19 juillet 2011 - 05:07 .

[SandTrout]

pablodurando wrote...

 If Bioware does as you suggest they lose a huge portion of sales and future fans.   It would not be a smart business move.

^This.

On a side note, BSN is the most understanding of development limitations of just about any gaming forum I have ever participated in. I'm not sure why that is, though.

[Guns]

Valentia X wrote...

So BioWare should cater to you instead?

Existing fans, yes. Cater to current fans and if others decide they like what they see they can tag along, but don't throw your backs to them and cater to a different audience like Dragon Trash 2. 

[Guns]

pablodurando wrote...

 If Bioware does as you suggest they lose a huge portion of sales and future fans.   It would not be a smart business move.

Good companies strive to make quality games not pumping out stuff that appeases as many people as possible for the maximum buck. Bioware use to be this, but I guess they're dwindling down. 

[Raiil]

Guns wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

So BioWare should cater to you instead?

Existing fans, yes. Cater to current fans and if others decide they like what they see they can tag along, but don't throw your backs to them and cater to a different audience like Dragon Trash 2. 

Let's see....

fan favourites from the first two games in the third part? Check
the culmination of a story we have been following for several years? Check
Tying up romances, friendships, and old rivalries? Check
Snarky remarks about past adventures? It's a BioWare game, so we can probably check, double check, highlight in bright yellow marker and give it a shiny gold star here.


I can see how you think they're thoroughly throwing us to the wolves for some fresh blood.



<_<

[Massadonious1]

Iron Man 1 movie gross: $585,174,222
Iron Man 2 movie gross: $622,056,974

It's safe to assume that $36,882,752 difference is from people who haven't seen the first.

Movie analogy = fail.

[AcidGlow]

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

I agree with you completely they shouldnt even think about getting the third one without playing though ME1 and 2

and if you got it for ps3 even with genisis it still sucks cause you miss alot of stuff 

Modifié par AcidGlow, 19 juillet 2011 - 05:15 .

[Raiil]

AcidGlow wrote...

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

I agree with you completely they shouldnt even think about getting the third one without playing though ME1 and 2

So.... they shouldn't bring it out for PS3 players?


The logic!

[SandTrout]

Guns wrote...

Good companies strive to make quality games not pumping out stuff that appeases as many people as possible for the maximum buck. Bioware use to be this, but I guess they're dwindling down. 

Incorrect. Sucessful companies (the ones that survive as long as BioWare) always try to create stuff that appeals to the maximum number of people so that they can recover spent revenue and create more games. Every BioWare game to date has been accessable to newcomers, even if they are not familiar with the franchise/setting.

[Guns]

Valentia X wrote...

AcidGlow wrote...

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

I agree with you completely they shouldnt even think about getting the third one without playing though ME1 and 2

So.... they shouldn't bring it out for PS3 players?


The logic!

If to just make a quick buck and not be able to bring all the games to them then yes. It should be about making quality stories, not incomplete ones for quick bank.

[AcidGlow]

Valentia X wrote...

AcidGlow wrote...

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

I agree with you completely they shouldnt even think about getting the third one without playing though ME1 and 2

So.... they shouldn't bring it out for PS3 players?


The logic!

no they should not of, it should of stayed as a xbox/pc exclusive plus they just did that for quick $$$

Modifié par AcidGlow, 19 juillet 2011 - 05:17 .

[slimgrin]

TW2 got criticized a lot for this, but to do otherwise would have meant compromising the story. I think I agree with the op. I'd rather make the extra effort myself when coming into a series midway.

Ahhh, accessibility. It comes at a price.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 juillet 2011 - 05:20 .

[Raiil]

Guns wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

AcidGlow wrote...

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

I agree with you completely they shouldnt even think about getting the third one without playing though ME1 and 2

So.... they shouldn't bring it out for PS3 players?


The logic!

If to just make a quick buck and not be able to bring all the games to them then yes. It should be about making quality stories, not incomplete ones for quick bank.

So BioWare should actively screw over a portion of the population they're trying to court because... a character that's there for exposition purposes is guarenteed to make the game inferior?

Even if they end up going to buy Mass Effect 1&2 because they enjoy ME3 so much?
Even if they enjoy the story to the point where they go to the wiki to learn more?
Even if they start purchasing the books and comics to immerse themselves in the story?
Even if they recommend the games to other people, thus opening up the fanbase?


All this based on a character whose personality you don't even know yet?


Right.

[HiroVoid]

AcidGlow wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

AcidGlow wrote...

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

I agree with you completely they shouldnt even think about getting the third one without playing though ME1 and 2

So.... they shouldn't bring it out for PS3 players?


The logic!

no they should not of, it should of stayed as a xbox/pc exclusive plus they just did that for quick $$$

Pfft.  You know what they really should've done?  They should've had Mass Effect stay as an xbox exclusive instead of porting it to the PC.

[Raiil]

AcidGlow wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

AcidGlow wrote...

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

I agree with you completely they shouldnt even think about getting the third one without playing though ME1 and 2

So.... they shouldn't bring it out for PS3 players?


The logic!

no they should not of, it should of stayed as a xbox/pc exclusive plus they just did that for quick $$$

It was an microsoft exclusive because microsoft helped bankroll the first one, not out of console supremacy. A business has to branch out to be viable, and frankly I'm surprised at how vehement people get about how a company should screw itself with a red-hot wrench just so they can keep their panties unknotted about one character there to act as a launching pad for the series.

[FoxHound109]

This thread slays me.

Because Allah forbid that Bioware should cater to other people aside from yourself! Your gaming experience is utterly ruined! You poor, poor victim! Whatever will you do now that Bioware wants to include inexperienced players and give them a chance to enjoy the spectacular series you've had the privilege of playing all these years?

[Daerog]

AcidGlow wrote...
no they should not of, it should of stayed as a xbox/pc exclusive plus they just did that for quick $$$

And how is that bad? It's hard enough to get this franchise out to the public with it being a video game, with a movie in the works and novels, BioWare seems to want to get this franchise expanded and I say go for it.

More money for more games for more fans for more money for more games for more fans, etc. It would be nice to see this universe expand and not just die after 3 games.

It's good its not exclusive and open for more people, why not open it up? People will buy the third game, think, oh this is awesome, and I can make my experience better by buying the previous 2 and will.

I don't see how this is bad. "But they can put more time to making the game better!" I don't know much of the development process to consider that a good argument or not. How much time does it actually take to throw in a couple lines of dialogue about the previous game and how can that transfer to making a game better? Add another joke instead?

[Luigitornado]

Shhhh you're making yourself look silly.

[who would know]

I don't even believe that newcomers will expect to be catered to. Logic dictates that starting with the third act of a trilogy means missing out on details from the first 2/3. Any accessibility Vega provides probably won't be a huge selling point.

Modifié par who would know, 19 juillet 2011 - 05:46 .

[vader da slayer]

Guns wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

So BioWare should cater to you instead?

Existing fans, yes. Cater to current fans and if others decide they like what they see they can tag along, but don't throw your backs to them and cater to a different audience like Dragon Trash 2. 

how does not adding in the intro portions cater to the :hardcore". how does adding in the intro not cater to you? your entire arguement is based on the fact that somehow the intro detracts from the game as it doesn't cater to you. how I ask you does adding in an intro so that new players can enter the series where ever they wish detrach from the overall game?

your entire arguement is baseless and completely void of any rational thought what so ever.