Stanley Woo wrote...
I really appreciate the thought you put into your post, fivefingaslap18, but I'm going to cut it up into tiny chunks in order to respond.
You may certainly do so in order to help persuade your argument that I presented and if you can do so, than so may I. Is that okay with you Stanley Woo?
fivefingaslap18 wrote...
I think what the OP wants is to really allow the story to continue without the problem of reintroduction.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Given that videogame budgets have increased significantly in the last decade while game prices have stayed relatively the same, games have to sell more in order to be profitable. the same goes for movies. You know why the vast majority of movies are rated PG? Because that's the rating that is the most accessible to the greatest number of potential viewers, and therefore, has the greatest potential for sales.
Yes, but what's the real reason? Inflation. Products prices inrease due to development money and the new rising cost to pay the staff members and the new departments created for the betterment of the product. However, at the same time the cost of living has not increased in relation to inflation. This means that the price of the games is truly arbitrary as we assign values to physical objects through metaphysical ideas. I can say it's worth $20 on delivery (my opinion of DA2) and you can say it's worth the full $60. The same goes for movies, but no one will agree with me because you and the movie industry created the products we utilize as entertainment. Let's not get into the MPAA as that's a whole other issue Stanley. I'll just say watch This Film is not yet Rated. Until a few years ago, anyone could pick up an M rated game just like until the MPAA anyone, when The Graduate came out, could go see that film regardless of age.
fivefingaslap18 wrote...
However, I think what we're worried about is that while those who have played 1 and 2, or 2 and then have gone back to 1 or have not done so will pick up the game at the 3rd installment.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Does it matter to you how other people play our game? Or why they purchased it?
For you to say that after you wrote that you listen to fans (all inclusive mind you) that implies you don't realize the depth of ignorance of the statement you just made. You're saying why should I care about potential players who play not for the core values BioWare had as a corporation but the core values but let's say the core values of the developers of Modern Warfare, or Call of Duty, Gears of War, or something else where the core value of the company is recreate and release as immediately as soon as the following year's quarter? You're implying I should not care that you will listen to these potential new fans who want less RPG elements in an RPG game?
It's like having Church goers go into a public school and say to the principal, "Why aren't you teaching creationism or intelligent design? We think that's a better theory than evolution?" I don't care if people believe in the theory, but it has no place in a publicly funded school. If they want that taught in Sunday School or a private Christian school, than by all means they can do what they want. However, to say they're allowed to openly hamper the public school system that states Church and State remain seperate through the 1st amendement of the United State Constituion because they don't like the fact that it's not taught in an educational system that has said religious teaching is unnaceptable if it is mandatory is downright absurd. The same goes for you telling me I shouldn't care about these people. If they are fundamentally changing a company's point of view because of what they want, then let them play Modern Warfare or Gears of War and stay out of a game series they wouldn't have enjoyed previously unless they got involved.
fivefingaslap...
For EA, to say BioWare must change it's mantra as a gaming company is not unexpected, but it is unacceptable.
Stanley Woo...
You make it sound like EA's acquisition of BioWare was forced, that EA has such control over BioWare that everything we do is micromanaged up the wazoo. This is not the case. EA recognizes BioWare's talent and commitment to quality, which is one reason it bought us in the first place. You generally don't acquire a talent like, say, Steve Nash (NBA basketball), and then tell him how to dribble or when to shoot or who to pass to whenever he gets the ball. No, you give him general guidelines regarding what you expect of him, you provide feedback if there are problems, and you support him because you've spent a lot of money acquiring him. You want to let him do what he does best, which is play basketball. Well, maybe he makes a wicked Denver omelette, but he's never invited me to breakfast. 
Agreed, (I am a basketball fan and a Lakers fan primarily) but you forgot one major element. When a team grabs a player like Nash, they say we want you to play for us. The coach than creates plays that he wants the players to stick to, or in the case of players like Nash, Bryant, Nowitski, Durant, and Howard, to allow them to deviate. Why do you ask? Because they are committed to excellence and are known for their excellence. They can deviate because they are students of the game. They will do what is best even at the behest of their coach because they know sometimes what is best for the team and the organization at that moment. They do it differently, but they have that freedom to do so. If you say you have that freedom, than it implies you have lost the roots your company started with and that is a real shame. If that is not true, than you are speaking in lies and either are doing so because you are in denial or are told do so and if so than that is also a shame.
A fan of DA:O bought DA2 expecting that while plenty would be changed, the quality would remain the same. He came onto the forums to vent his frustrations and dislike towards the game, but was banned. He also was unable to acquire any of the ingame content he received from your company due to being banned. This came into the media and only after did it come into the media did what happened to him become rectified. Do you remember a girl by the name of Bristol Palin? Do you remember what was happening to her around the time her mother was running as John McCain's vice president running mate? She was kicked out (possibly disowned) by her mother, who was a traditional family and family first proponent woman, until the media caught wind of this. She eventually brought her back into the home to save face for the campaign. It was a media ploy at best. I don't know what it is with you Mr. Woo, but something is rotten in the state of BioWare.
fivefingaslap18...
I'm not angry that you include new things. I'm angry how you implement them. DA2 is a hyped up, and bribed travesty.
Stanley Woo...
And it's at this point in the paranoid, hyperbolic diatribe that I stop listening to what you have to say. If you can't be constructive and keep a civil tongue, then I'd rather not deal with you. Equating Dragon Age II with the American banking crisis and the global economic problems is ridiculous. It's a frigging videogame, for Pete's sake. Let's maintain some perspective here. Disliking stuff we do is fine. Suggesting things we could do better next time is even better. But saying we should never have tried anything new, or that anything you don't like is proof of conspiracy, fraud, and/or incompetence is one of my pet peeves on this forum.
If that's the way you want to argue, we're done here. I ain't playing that way.
No, you chose to take out the entire ending paragraph so that you can distort what I said in order to allow people to gain a false point of view in order to agree with you. I never said to not try anything new. I said to not try anything that takes you away from your core values as a company. I said don't morally bankrupt your company in order to gain a few extra dollars by lying to the fans who buy your products because your name is attached to it. That is a huge difference. Some people would argue with me, but I agree that a good driven story is the most important part of an RPG. If other things must go, than so be it. However, at the same time don't destroy all that makes an RPG an RPG. Once you do, it begins a slippery slope as to what next is allowed to be taken away. I'm not saying all parts must stay in, but at the same time don't remove and add nothing in it's place. You're doing that by changing the leveling up system for ME3. I find that to be perfectly acceptable. I find the way you have changed upgrading weapons to be perfectly superior compared to ME2.
I never disliked your company for being innovative. On the contrary, that's why I loved it. I'm not being uncivily disobedient by voicing my concerns and creating metaphors and similes to what is happening with your company. On the contrary, I am being civily obedient. I am not going to your company's offices and blowing up your conferences. That would be uncivil disobedience. For you to say I am using expletives and am being morally unethical in our discussion is a pure red herring. You, sir, are the one being civily disobedient by telling me I have no right to voice my concerns. Do you know what happens when that occurs? You already have a 1984 environment going on when a fan of your company whom openly disliked DA2 and voiced his very sentiments was banned from the forums and not allowed to use his content. What happens if that were to be implemented into our justice system? What happens later if that were to be implemented into our public education system? What were to happen if that were to happen within our own homes? We would go ballistic. To say I am being uncivily disobedient is practically libel sir and if you wish to continue this route than that is your decision.
I, on the other hand, will be humbly awaiting to see what will become of the company I once so revered, with the highest esteem, that I would
always recommend to a friend whom had never heard of your comapny's name when looking for a new game to acquire. I am a very critical person Mr. Woo and have been ever since I first heard your company's name back when I played KotoR. And if I am that critical than you should love the fact that it is so, because than it means you are a part of truly wonderful history. I never go anywhere without any person I know whom I am glad to call a friend and/or family member that I am too critical. Maybe it is you who has the problem and not I when we talk about a business looking to be any less than perfect. If you create a product for a massive aduience on a professional scale, make it emaculate. Don't take the time to fight with me. Take all the time to make it perfect.
Listening to fans got you into the mess of trying to cater to everyone as you said in order to balance it out for all fans. Maybe if you listen to no one and do what you want to do and you feel that it is the best story out there that you can honestly believe in, you yourself and no one else, than you'll do your best to make it as you envisioned. Otherwise, you have the same problem you had before.
By the way, I barely cut down your argument and still had a good rebuttal to all points made. I also mentioned whether or not I agreed with you. I know you're a busy man, but if I can do that for you when you can't give me the same courtesy, I hope you can do so for me and other fans in the future if you wish to continue to talk with us. Otherwise, just make the best game you possibly can. I'll eagerly await you to prove me wrong. In fact, I hope you do just that.
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