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[Cainne Chapel]

Yes they should never introduce new characters after the first game. Thats just totally unrealistic and well..dumb. It makes the following games TOO accessible!

Because we ALL know the whole POINT of making a video game is to sell as FEW copies as possible. No need to bring a wonderful game like ME1/ME2 to the masses. After all the game was supposed to be made to only cater to a few "fans" and thats it.

All successful businesses know you dont grow your audience! You just desperately cling to the original ones and HOPE they dont move on!

[Lucifer_Cheney]

I agree with the op, but I also understand that BW wants to market this game to a mass audience (no pun intended) and to do that, they have to make it more accessible to those who are new to the series. So long as they don't favor them, I'll deal with it.

[Cainne Chapel]

I mean do you really expect a company that makes a Multi-million selling brand (in Mass Effect) to come out and say "Well hey we got the third game coming out... we dont want any of these chowder heads that skipped 1 or 2 to play it so stay away.  This game is only for TRUE fans!  and yes that means you PS3 players too! Yeah I know you cant play one but too bad." ??

Of course not.  they're going to market their game to as many people as possible.  They are a business and have a bottom line too... they're not a charity churning out games solely for you to claim sovreign rule over them.

I mean realistically if you make/produce a product that you intend to sell in quantities, no matter what it is, do you want to sell as many copies as possible or as few copies as possible?  I'll let you answer that yourself.


Besides its not like their favoring new people.  Not playing ME1 leading into ME2 leaves a lot of questions to be answered and background isn't always FULLY explained either.  So its not like their always giving them a helping hand.  Just like i'm sure not playing ME1 or 2 going into 3, you'll be scratching your head quite a bit as well.  Because you dont have the familiarity with the story that someone playing one or both previous games has.

So I'm not really worried about it.  As for new squadmates, hey i'm game for it.  If there's one thing BW does well is make compelling characters.

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 19 juillet 2011 - 06:03 .

[marshalleck]

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

The difference is movies don't cost $60 a pop, unless you're also buying popcorn and a drink.

[Cainne Chapel]

marshalleck wrote...

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

The difference is movies don't cost $60 a pop, unless you're also buying popcorn and a drink.

Movies also dont require 6+ hours of commitment each

[Lucifer_Cheney]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I mean do you really expect a company that makes a Multi-million selling brand (in Mass Effect) to come out and say "Well hey we got the third game coming out... we dont want any of these chowder heads that skipped 1 or 2 to play it so stay away.  This game is only for TRUE fans!  and yes that means you PS3 players too! Yeah I know you cant play one but too bad." ??

Of course not.  they're going to market their game to as many people as possible.  They are a business and have a bottom line too... they're not a charity churning out games solely for you to claim sovreign rule over them.

I mean realistically if you make/produce a product that you intend to sell in quantities, no matter what it is, do you want to sell as many copies as possible or as few copies as possible?  I'll let you answer that yourself.

Utimately you are correct, but there is a downside to that theory. If a business doesn't take into account the needs and expectations of the consumer and focuses primarily on profits when producing and marketing a product, they risk losing said consumer in the long-term. Not saying BW is doing that BTW.

[javierabegazo]

Aaaah, "Entitlement" of the "true fans".

[FoxHound109]

javierabegazo wrote...

Aaaah, "Entitlement" of the "true fans".

[javierabegazo]

Who knew the Hipster movement would spread to gamers?

[SandTrout]

javierabegazo wrote...

Aaaah, "Entitlement" of the "true fans".

We a busy dismissing these claims.

[FoxHound109]

javierabegazo wrote...

Who knew the Hipster movement would spread to gamers?

x 100. I laughed. Hard.

[who would know]

vader da slayer wrote...

how I ask you does adding in an intro so that new players can enter the series where ever they wish detrach from the overall game?

Limited budget, time, resources. Only so much content possible. Also, this isn't an intro, this is a character for the squad.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Bah, people shouldn't be expected to play previous titles in a series. Are you expected to read a book series in order? Of course not.

[Gambit5150]

The licensing agreement to just get onto the ps3 had to cost some bucks. There was no ME1 for ps3. If I just bought ME2 and played it without that intro, and never played ME1, I would have been pis_sed. It was no disservice to you or any other ME fan to watch the intro. Granted I have little patience myself lately, but if you fail to look at it from a newbie point of view then you fail to see others getting on the bandwagon. Its a good game, promote it.

[javierabegazo]

KaidanWilliamsShepard wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Aaaah, "Entitlement" of the "true fans".

But...but its true.
Star Wars didnt do a recap of every film before the next one began.
Gears Of War doesnt Cater to new comers.
The true fans made the series successful in the first place, and shouldnt have to sift through all of this stuff for the newcomers, when newcomers put in a Bioware title, introductions should be in an optional tutorial form, and not so closely related to the story. Thsi way, the core fans, the ones that gave the series its original success, wouldnt have to play something so warped and different from the game they once knew and loved.

What's silly is thinking that a new character added to a game FILLED with characters means that he can't just simply be a new character with depth and history to offer to the universe, but that he's simply the "new boy's attraction".

And as mentioned before, a game where you spend 30-40 hours in a playthrough is hardly comparable to a movie that is between 1.5 to 2 hours. In any case. I think everyone "concerned" is simply jumping the gun out of a loathsome combination of a lack of new info, and boredom.

[Kekkis]

They could just sell 3 in 1 packs, Mass Effect: Complete, Mass Effect: Special ultimate collectios etc. And most of people are not complete idiots. Even brainless husk like me connetcted the dots in ME2 Garrus recruitment mission and I treated Garrus like I knew him without playing ME1 first. Instead of "who are you?" I picked "Hi Garrus" chatline. Not every people I meet in ME2 or ME3 has to explain why I know them and what happened in earlier games, even if I have not played those games. There is internet if I want to know more.

[Massadonious1]

Movies aren't the best examples, because most of them work well enough as standalone films.

I could easily enjoy the Star Wars OT, or any of the LoTOR or Harry Potter movies without really knowing too much about the characters or the overall story from the previous versions and feel satisfied enough at the conclusions they give me.

[javierabegazo]

who would know wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...

how I ask you does adding in an intro so that new players can enter the series where ever they wish detrach from the overall game?

Limited budget, time, resources. Only so much content possible. Also, this isn't an intro, this is a character for the squad.

This is simply a strawman of an argument. I could argue that they shouldn't improve or add anything in regards to new models and weapon effects because they could add more dialogue. Or that they should have less dialogue, and more branching paths.


It's a hollow argument that one could argue either side ad infinity.

[SandTrout]

ReconTeam wrote...

Bah, people shouldn't be expected to play previous titles in a series. Are you expected to read a book series in order? Of course not.

I think I detect a hint of sarcasm...

And also, while you are correct that people are expected to read books, watch movies, and play video games in order. However, very few do not include some part in the writing that points out important details, both for new-comers and to remind returning fans of details they may not remember.

Also, with Star Wars, it is prevelant enough that marketing departments can reasonably assume that the vast majority of their audience is familiar with the movies. Even people who have not seen the movies generally have some idea about what a Jedi is.

Modifié par SandTrout, 19 juillet 2011 - 06:26 .

[FoxHound109]

who would know wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...

how I ask you does adding in an intro so that new players can enter the series where ever they wish detrach from the overall game?

Limited budget, time, resources. Only so much content possible. Also, this isn't an intro, this is a character for the squad.

This is the exact same excuse I always hear when people want to complain about Bioware not catering directly to their personal needs. There's a new character that will help new players understand the world? Resources, resources! They're adding same-sex relationships? Resources, resources! They're putting in a character I don't like? Resources, resources, I say!

Unless you have a meticulously detailed file keeping perfect track of Bioware's budget and spending for Mass Effect 3, I don't see how your argument holds any water. I AM curious thought: what would rather they allocated their resources to?

[blind black]

Saphra Deden wrote...

New comers are new money.

Bioware's job is to make money.

this. bioware already has your money. the purpose of a business is to make money. new fans=more money/new money.if they were to just cater to one crowd mass effect probably wouldnt be as big as it is now. 

[FoxHound109]

ReconTeam wrote...

Bah, people shouldn't be expected to play previous titles in a series. Are you expected to read a book series in order? Of course not.

A good author will always, ALWAYS recap the events of the previous books in the series and reintroduce the protagonist for new readers. 

[SandTrout]

FoxHound109 wrote...

This is the exact same excuse I always hear when people want to complain about Bioware not catering directly to their personal needs. There's a new character that will help new players understand the world? Resources, resources! They're adding same-sex relationships? Resources, resources! They're putting in a character I don't like? Resources, resources, I say!

Unless you have a meticulously detailed file keeping perfect track of Bioware's budget and spending for Mass Effect 3, I don't see how your argument holds any water. I AM curious thought: what would rather they allocated their resources to?

While I'm not one of the whiners you are talking to, I actually do know where I would like to see the resources go: lower retail price.