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[GreyWardenNathan]

Mass Effect is my favourite game now, and i have preordered the CE edition for the third. I would never of heard of it properly if it didnt come out on ps3. Yes id like the first one and i missed a fair amount, but seeing as A i dont have a good enough PC to handle big games, and B i didnt have the money nor the need to buy an Xbox as well. I will probably though eventually buy them on a computer when i get a new one, therefore even more money to bioware. Its my favourite franchise and ill be buying a lot to do with the game etc and it never would of happened if not for the ps3 version. Just because i cant play the first game doesnt mean i cant enjoy the second or last. No one should be turned away because they havent had the chance to play the first. It barely introduced you to characters from the first in the second so i dont even know why youre worrying

[CaribbeanCLANK]

I am a Playstation 3 owner and thankfully BioWare was kind enough to include some way to experience the first Mass Effect game into the PS3's version of ME2. I would hate to play a game like ME2 without knowing or experiencing some of the story from the first.

New comers to the series who start their Mass Effect adventure with ME3 might end up buying previous games to enjoy the whole trilogy. Nothing wrong with BioWare trying to make the Mass Effect franchise accessible to more gamers.

[Ahriman]

You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega.

What are you talking about? There must be new characters regardless of new players. Do words "story progression", "diversity" and "different tastes" mean anything to you?

[Ghost Lightning]

I read the title of this thread and I agree a lot. I think JV is a good thing though. I'd rather they give new people one silly squad mate that you hopefully can choose not to recruit and instead get someone else then have them add lengthy explainations to every scene in the game (here's hoping they don't do this)

[AcidGlow]

javierabegazo wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

It's not gonna happen with EA in charge. They want to met the largest audience, which means appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Comments like these are really sigh-worthy. It's a very 2D concept, "EA's the big bad wolf, blah blah blah" and yet EA still managed to put out games like ME2, and Dead Space 2. It's a very childish view, as if it's purpose is to validate the idea that your beloved developer can't possibly want to carry the direction of your favorite game in a way that doesn't directly correlate with that of your own.

dont forget Dragon Age 2 lol

[redneckwonderland]

CaribbeanCLANK wrote...

New comers to the series who start their Mass Effect adventure with ME3 might end up buying previous games to enjoy the whole trilogy. Nothing wrong with BioWare trying to make the Mass Effect franchise accessible to more gamers.

Agreed.

[SkittlesKat96]

James Vega is necessary to the game and is actually a great idea, I'm very glad Bioware is putting him into the game and peoples complaints about him (even though I understand them) are illogical.
This is why:

1. Vega is an elite highly skilled Alliance soldier. Shepard is apart of the Alliance again and this mission isn't a suicide mission where you hire mercs. You are working for the Alliance and gathering resources and troops to take back Earth. This is a diplomatic and MILITARY mission. It makes sense that they would send at least one or two of their best Alliance soldiers. Do you guys really only want to have one Alliance soldier in your squad in Mass Effect 3 (Kaiden/Ashley)? It just doesn't make sense.

2. James Vega is an entry point to newcomers but he can also be an entry point to the more casual parts of the fanbase. The people who don't know much about the lore of Mass Effect and only ever played the previous games once when they were released. So for example James Vega comments on how he thought the Rachni were extinct (if you kept the Queen alive). Shepard will explain Binary Helix's plans and his encounter with the Rachni queen on Noveria.

3. The game would be just a little bit dull without having at least one new squadmate/fresh face on the Normandy. I always liked having new squad mates introduced to the Normandy in the previous two games, as long as he's a good character I'm okay with it.

4. Liara is the only definite character in Mass Effect 3, there have to be some definite fill-ins, I have a friend who lost three squad mates in the suicide mission, two of them being Tali and Garrus (and yes that is really unfortunate...they are two of the most awesome characters) that means he would have like two less squad mates in Mass Effect 3. I'm guessing there will be about eight possible squad mates in ME 3 (Ashley, Kaiden, Liara, Garrus, Tali, James Vega, then two other squad mates that might be from ME 2 or might both be completely different characters)

[Piotrburz]

I completely agree with Guns. In 2008 i was playing ME1 demo, but i only beat two missions, because game was laggy for my old PC. So i quit playing for like 2 years. So ME2 was released and i bought new PC. Game was fantastic, but i felt that i missed much of references to ME1.
So after beating ME2 i bought ME1 and beat it again. After this i played ME2 again and i had better experience than the first time.

So i have a question to those which advocate for intro. If you go to bookstore and let's say want to introudce yourself to "song of ice and fire", do you will buy "Feast of Crows" or rather "Game of Thrones"?

[Geth_Prime]

Another stupid thread. That's all I have to say.

[The Spamming Troll]

redneckwonderland wrote...

CaribbeanCLANK wrote...

New comers to the series who start their Mass Effect adventure with ME3 might end up buying previous games to enjoy the whole trilogy. Nothing wrong with BioWare trying to make the Mass Effect franchise accessible to more gamers.

Agreed.

i can see people going back and playing ME1 becasue it features different things and is actually a pretty good overall game.

i dont see anyone going to play ME2, when ME3 is ME2, but with the rest of the normal TPS features like rolling and jumping added in. ME2 is missing too many things from ME1 and ME3 to be a game someone would rather play.

[Nozybidaj]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Iron Man 1 movie gross: $585,174,222
Iron Man 2 movie gross: $622,056,974

It's safe to assume that $36,882,752 difference is from people who haven't seen the first.

Movie analogy = fail.

Or higher ticket prices.

[wyk4wgary]

Your words disgust me
I bought ME2 without any knowing about the previous games, not to mention the background.
I found the game less funny.
Now I had ME1 and imported my own character, having lots of fun even I have finished the game many times!

Meanwhile, have you ever expected those ME2 newcomers or ME3 ones in the future can buy previous series???
For those who have no credit cards, buying a first-handed game issued two yrs ago is fxxking difficult!!!
I had been looking for the ME1 for half the year in a big city before I bought it.

I guess ME1 is now very rare now.

[Cancer Puppet]

I have no problem with bringing new players up to speed, but the people making the argument that not doing so is a bad buisiness descision are being just as silly as the OP.

There've been plenty of game sequels over the years that have gone to little or no trouble to fill people in on past events and have had enormous critical & financial success. Let's see...I'm sure I can think of at least one...oh yeah! Mass Effect 2. Before the PS3 release of that game there wasn't really all that much filling in the blanks on the events of me1 (Thorian? What's a Thorian?).

It's simply the direction bioware has chosen to go in, so instead of whining, Wwwhow about we all try to appreciate the effort that bioware is making, hmm?

[Nohvarr]

Piotrburz wrote...

I completely agree with Guns. In 2008 i was playing ME1 demo, but i only beat two missions, because game was laggy for my old PC. So i quit playing for like 2 years. So ME2 was released and i bought new PC. Game was fantastic, but i felt that i missed much of references to ME1.
So after beating ME2 i bought ME1 and beat it again. After this i played ME2 again and i had better experience than the first time.

So i have a question to those which advocate for intro. If you go to bookstore and let's say want to introudce yourself to "song of ice and fire", do you will buy "Feast of Crows" or rather "Game of Thrones"?

Most books don't cost $60.

I'm going to list some of the game series in which I played the sequel before the original and then found myself hooked on the whole ting.

Mega Man 2
Saints Row 2
Mechwarrior 2
Baldur's Gate 2
Freespace 2
System Shock 2
Red Dead Redemption
Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver
etc.

So yeah, there's no reason to exclude or punish people who didn't play the original game.

[crimzontearz]

well......

I do not agree that ME should not be brought to other platforms.
I do agree that catering (overly) to newcomers is damaging. I am ok with the genesis comic, I am ok with exposition baits like Vega, I am not ok with characters reduced to cameos because "they may have died in a previous game that nev players are too lazy to
go back and play. Bioware needs to find the quads to say " so, you killed off X people in ME 1/2? You were too lazy to play our previous games and decided to jump in on the 3d chapter of a story based trilogy? deal with less content....or go back and (re)play the previous chapters."

I played crysis 2 but I am a console guy...I was not expectingto be catered to in the game. I read up on crysis 1, watched videos of playthroughs and keystone points of the plot and guess what? I was totally ok with it.

that is also why I like the idea of the genesis comicbooks, they justify spending resourcesin characters that may have only been cameos

[crimzontearz]

also

ME1 is on xbox live, it is absurdly easy to buy MS points (with cash at a walmart or something) and then download the game to your hard drive

[Elvis_Mazur]

It's sad for many of us, I know, but Bioware's ultimate goal is profit, and they will do what they can to achieve more of that.

[rolson00]

Valentia X wrote...

So BioWare should cater to you instead?

yes

[Daiyus]

Having links to the past isn't a bad thing. Heck, sometimes I need a reminder of stuff, and I've played through it all at least 4 times (not to mention countless half runs and watching friends).

I really don't see a problem. I still felt disjointed in ME2 playing on the PS3 after playing ME1/2 lots on Xbox with imports. Hence I rebought an Xbox.

[VoiceOfPudding]

I think that, with regards ME 3, it shouldn't be aimed at newcomers but rather at those who have played ME2 and/or ME1. I mean it hardly makes sense to try to get newcomers to start with the final game in a trilogy. The problem I see is that IF Bioware does try to attract new fans with ME3 then the story could suffer due to the necessity to introduce the new players to the universe

[BatmanPWNS]

So do you want them to get the same amount of sales as ME2 and ME1 because as far as I've seen there no chart toppers or game sales record breakers. (But still great games)

[Eurhetemec]

VoiceOfPudding wrote...

I think that, with regards ME 3, it shouldn't be aimed at newcomers but rather at those who have played ME2 and/or ME1. I mean it hardly makes sense to try to get newcomers to start with the final game in a trilogy. The problem I see is that IF Bioware does try to attract new fans with ME3 then the story could suffer due to the necessity to introduce the new players to the universe

This is truly bonkers.

BioWare want to make money. If they only cater to existing players, they can only make LESS money. Do you understand this? I'm guessing not.

All games in a series must allow new players to come on board, or your sales are doomed to trend downwards. I'd rather have the Mass Effect games sell more, not less, so I'm not sure why some fans are so keen that sales tank.

[FoxHound109]

crimzontearz wrote...

also

ME1 is on xbox live, it is absurdly easy to buy MS points (with cash at a walmart or something) and then download the game to your hard drive

What is NOT absurdly easy is buying a 360 if you don't have one. You forget that Mass Effect is multiplatform.

Modifié par FoxHound109, 19 juillet 2011 - 04:14 .

[xSTONEYx187x]

Have BioWare announced a Genesis like comic for Mass Effect 3 to give the newbies an idea as to what is going on?

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 19 juillet 2011 - 04:19 .