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[Cainne Chapel]

Yes they have stoney, they've said that they will "Bring new players up to speed" regarding current events and goings on in ME3.

Which is a good thing. I know a LOT of my friends haven't played/studied ME1 or 2 near as much as I have.... but when you have 30+ playthroughs... things tend to stick with ya.

So it'll be good for people who've played through once and need to be reminded of some events. Because lord knows we're all not super nerds (such as myself) and remember every game we play to the last detail

[RocketManSR2]

javierabegazo wrote...

And that's my cue to head to bed. When I see someone write "Dumbed down", it's time to close the browser and participate in other more purposeful activities.

I totally agree. That stupid expression has become one of my most hated. I want to kill a kitten when I hear it. I'd never do that, though.

[VolusvsReaper]

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

Where do I begin with this? I was going to bold the failures in that statement until I realized I would be bolding the entire statement....

[Someone With Mass]

Guns wrote...

 If people want to get into the series and know whats going on they should play the first two games. You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega. You don't go to a movie sequel and expect to understand it without seeing the first one. Video games should be no different especially ones focused and driven on story. 

Flawed logic is flawed.

ME2 had over half a dozen new characters to attract new people with.

[streamlock]

I would think a developer would want to make a sequel that both welcomes in people new to the series while at the same time fulfilling the expectations of returning players. Guess I must have missed that day in common sense class.

[VoiceOfPudding]

Eurhetemec wrote...

VoiceOfPudding wrote...

I think that, with regards ME 3, it shouldn't be aimed at newcomers but rather at those who have played ME2 and/or ME1. I mean it hardly makes sense to try to get newcomers to start with the final game in a trilogy. The problem I see is that IF Bioware does try to attract new fans with ME3 then the story could suffer due to the necessity to introduce the new players to the universe

This is truly bonkers.

BioWare want to make money. If they only cater to existing players, they can only make LESS money. Do you understand this? I'm guessing not.

All games in a series must allow new players to come on board, or your sales are doomed to trend downwards. I'd rather have the Mass Effect games sell more, not less, so I'm not sure why some fans are so keen that sales tank.

I should have worded better, sorry.
Basically i'm not against Bioware targeting new players as long as there isn't a hamfisted attempt to introduce those players to the universe. With Vega, i'm worried that Bioware will make him so that he is of the same knowledge as the newcomers which would waste a lot of his potential

[VoiceOfPudding]

The PLC wrote...

streamlock wrote...

I would think a developer would want to make a sequel that both welcomes in people new to the series while at the same time fulfilling the expectations of returning players. Guess I must have missed that day in common sense class.

Welcome to BSN. Please leave common sense and logic at the door. Thank you.

Do get them back when we leave?

Modifié par VoiceOfPudding, 19 juillet 2011 - 05:10 .

[VolusvsReaper]

This thread should be renamed "How to lose a lot of customers in 2 easy steps"

[Nozybidaj]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Flawed logic is flawed.

ME2 had over half a dozen new characters to attract new people with.

How do new characters attract new people?  If the people are new the old characters would be just as new to them as the new characters while old people would get continuation with the non new old characters instead of having to repeat being introduced to new characters.  ......

[Kekkis]

VoiceOfPudding wrote...

The PLC wrote...

streamlock wrote...

I would think a developer would want to make a sequel that both welcomes in people new to the series while at the same time fulfilling the expectations of returning players. Guess I must have missed that day in common sense class.

Welcome to BSN. Please leave common sense and logic at the door. Thank you.

Do get them back when we leave?

You can not leave. You are doomed to be here rest of your life.

[The Mythical Magician]

The PLC wrote...

streamlock wrote...

I would think a developer would want to make a sequel that both welcomes in people new to the series while at the same time fulfilling the expectations of returning players. Guess I must have missed that day in common sense class.

Welcome to BSN. Please leave common sense and logic at the door. Thank you.

QotD

On Topic:  I can't judge ME3 badly for "catering" to newcomers cause thats what Game Developers do these days cause if they didn't then they make less sells and yada yada yada... go out of business.

[KainrycKarr]

Derp.

[gunswordfist]

Maybe if this was some small indie game. I haven't seen any features that ruin the game by making sure the newcomers are caught up with the story so I don't see the problem

[JG The Gamer]

Ouch. The impression I got here is that BioWare should only make games for an exclusive club and that newcomers to the series are not welcome.

That said, I would want newcomers to try out the BioWare games. They may see things they like/don't like and can give their thoughts and feelings with an unbiased view of BioWare's making of games.

[Cainne Chapel]

Yeah Newcomers are ALWAYS welcome. Heck half my friends wouldnt know about ME2 unless I introduced it to them and because of their extreme like of ME2, most of them have already preordered ME3. Now a majority of these friends can't play ME1 unfortunately because they're system of choice is the PS3 (and none of them are really into PC gaming sadly...) So really playing ME1 isn't anoption, but that doesn't stop them from being fervent fans of bioware now due to ME2.

Personally I think thats a good thing. The more people play, the more people enjoy, the better the game sells, the more the company that produced said game can do.

So I'm all for that.

[CroGamer002]

^This.

[FoxHound109]

This thread went down in flames faster than the Hindenburg. Poor OP; he probably thought he would get support for his insane demands...

[roflchoppaz]

FoxHound109 wrote...

This thread went down in flames faster than the Hindenburg. Poor OP; he probably thought he would get support for his insane demands...

He's an idiot for even posting this kind of self-centered ****.

Don't feel sorry for him.

Modifié par roflchoppaz, 19 juillet 2011 - 06:26 .

[Arppis]

FoxHound109 wrote...

This thread went down in flames faster than the Hindenburg. Poor OP; he probably thought he would get support for his insane demands...

Too bad that in most cases people like him do get support.

Modifié par Arppis, 19 juillet 2011 - 06:27 .

[tobynator89]

most moronic self centered OP I've seen in a while

[LordNige]

Guns wrote...

You shouldn't waste time and resources on an intro for new players or a character like James Vega.

Yeah, how dare Bioware create new characters!

[TF141-Archer]

I'm not sure I understand how a new character to the series is catering to new fans of the game. I mean look at ME2 with all of it's new characters. Hell there are a ton of people I haven't met from it as I don't have the DLC, I know I need to get it but haven't gotten around to it.

[Ace of Dawn]

Hate to be the first person after that cut-off point. You know, where the first 1,000 people are the die hard fans like the OP that Bioware should listen to without question, and the 1,001st person is a newcomer that is incapable of liking Mass Effect in the same way. Incapable of having their own thoughts and wants projected. This is the story for those first few people. Nevermind that clearly many others past that felt the story was also good. That not everyone can buy the games day one, year one, game one.

Bioware. Listen to the OP. He is clearly apart of the core group you designed the game for. Forget trying to welcome new people into a great story. Never mind that those that have played through the first games are already being rewarded with greater influence over the story. Make it completely isolated within itself so as to discourage anyone new from picking it up. That will teach those hipsters from deciding to pick up a game after the fact.

Sucks for me, too, though. I bought the Mass Effect games fairly late. I know plenty of people that look forward to ME3 but haven't bought both of the prior games for various reasons.

[stewie1974]

Er what -existing- fans should be catered to exactly? Even among the -old guard- there is difference of opinion.

You can't please all the people all the time...Fans opperate mostly like religious cults... they will segragate into cults who like one aspect of the franchise more than the other.

If bioware was to listen to -all- fans, it would be at a standstill and not make anything ever.