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[lillegraa]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

If you really feel this way then what of the promiscuous womanizer/man-eaters that don't want their character to "settle down" ?  What of the Polyamory relationships out there ?  mfm and fmf ?  Why is that silent minority being forced to play a certain way ?  

If BW opened up to be whatever romance you wanted or be it just physical relationships then I'd say cool.  That's not what happened, S-S supporters petition for it to be included in the game.  Fine. But when others speak out in the same fashion the supporters did against it they are banned/thread locked ?  Shows bias.  I hate bias in any form, if BW was so sure of their decision why aren't people being allowed to talk about how that decision affects the gamer who disagree ?  They should be heard if they can articulate their view in a meaningful manner.

I absolutely think that if this was all addressed in games it would be lovely. Aren't there already certain characters that are willing to sleep with the pc rather quickly though? Like Morrigan in DA:O? I'm not sure, but having characters with promiscuous personalities be willing to have a "friends with benefits" sort of relationship with the pc, I think it would be nice and add that much more realism to the game. Polyamory too; especially in a world full of aliens who may have cultures where polyamory is accepted.

Comsky159 wrote...

Why can't people oppose something they personally object to?

You are right, people can object to something that goes against their personal beliefs, I worded my original post poorly. What I meant was that some people should stop expecting Bioware to go out of their way to satisfy those with an opinion that is largely becoming archaic, and instead continue attempting to promote tolerance and breaking down some of the stupid stereotypes some people maintain of homosexuals.


Now all, I would like to continue this discussion but I am going to a moose park very soon, so I will wish you all a lovely day and say my goodbyes

Modifié par lillegraa, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:37 .

[mya11]

This threas as soons as locked ! again and again !

[Slayer_22]

nijnij wrote...

Slayer_22 wrote...
Edit: Better idea, make the game cost 10 dollars and have 50 dollars worth of content on xbox live. 5 dollars for heterosexual romances. 5 for bisexual. 5 for homosexual. 20 dollars for missions. And so on and so fourth.

I'm baffled that people would rather pay for DLC than have content in the game that is totally optional in the first place. Does homopobia go that far ?

First off, it was a joke. Second, I am not homophobic, it was a JOKE. I want all my content in the game. I was just saying that there is no way that bioware can please their fans. Everything they do is hated.

[Ryzaki]

Comsky159 wrote...

You're right there, it wasn't an appropriate link. I just took offense I suppose, and should have considered an example more relevant to my point. Not something to argue here in retrospect. I stand by the principle however.

So I should be able to make Jacob white if interracial romances bother me then? 

And that offense you took was the same offense I had when I read your comment. 

What exactly is so horrifying about an optional romance? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:38 .

[whywhywhywhy]

Ryzaki wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I should get a toggle to turn all blacks in power to white people because I don't want that forced on me.

First it's African american.
Second I hate when people try to compare the homosexual struggle to that of what my ancestors went through.  It's not even remotely close.  The subject here is about Differing views NOT trying to tie in racism into a platform to fight different views on relationship lifestyles.  I am greatly offended.

Oh noes! There might be gay people offended by what you're saying. It doesn't seem to matter to you so why should I care if you're offended? 

And people do have differing views sweet cheeks That's part of the spice of life. If you don't have to see things you don't like neither should I.

If you view what happened to my people in this country the equal to what happened/happening to homosexuals, we have nothing else to say to one another.

ElitePinecone wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...
be forced upon me 

No. 

You aren't forced to take the option. 

I look forward to seeing the Mass Effect 3 badge under your name, despite the fact that Bioware will include
same-sex relationships and they won't make a toggle. If you feel so strongly about a few lines of dialogue in a
space-faring third-person-shooter/RPG hybrid, to the point where you'd avoid buying it because of optional content, you might think about avoiding newspapers, films, books, TV, music, radio, or, you know, real life. Because like it or not, the big wide world out there contains same-sex attracted people. And they're right behind you. Right now. 

Do they sneak in my room at night and stroke me head too ?
Seriously, why is it all or nothing ? Why can't it be I disagree with your lifestyle but that won't stop us from being friends ?  Why can't I play the game the way that'll make it most enjoyable to me ?  And you play it the way that'll make it most enjoyable to you ?  I treasure being different but I accept all that are different, that doesn't mean I'm required to think like you.

If your truly looking forward to it you'll be terribly disappointed.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:43 .

[House_Hlaalu]

Ryzaki wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

However, both Pedophiliacs and gay people claim to be born the way they are, so shouldn't pedophiliacs get equal rights as well?

After all, they are born that way.

If you can't tell the difference between a consensual adult relationship and the rape of a child frankly put sir you're an idiot. 

Its not about what they do in sex, its the fact that they are born the way they are. They can't help it. Or so they say, as well as gay people. And it seems you can't have a argument without rising to childish coarse language.

Oh, and nice ninja edit there.

Modifié par House_Hlaalu, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:39 .

[Ryzaki]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
If you view what happened to my people in this country the equal to what happened/happening to homosexuals, we have nothing else to say to one another.

It's cute that you think you're the only black person on these forums. 

As for equal? Nope. Eeriely similar in some ways? Yup. Just like it was eeriely similar to how every other group that's ever been discriminated against. Blacks are not some special snowflake when it comes to discrimination. 

[Slayer_22]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

However, both Pedophiliacs and gay people claim to be born the way they are, so shouldn't pedophiliacs get equal rights as well?

After all, they are born that way.

If you can't tell the difference between a consensual adult relationship and the rape of a child frankly put sir you're an idiot. 

Its not about what they do in sex, its the fact that they are born the way they are. They can't help it. Or so they say, as well as gay people. And it seems you can't have a argument without rising to childish coarse language.

Oh, and nice ninja edit there.

What about heterosexuals? Are they born the way they are? Unless you can suddenly love men with the snap of a finger you really shouldn't be talking.

[House_Hlaalu]

MACharlie1 wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Comsky159 wrote..


That's blatant misrepresentation of those against this toggle. In my mind and friends who share my opinion they are very different standpoints.

Consider instead if I asked for pedophilia to be involved. You have to understand that this type of offensive comparison can work for either side.

Actually it's more like your representation than you like to admit. 

Asking for pedophila (which by the way unlike homosexuality DOES NOT INVOLVE CONSENTING ADULTS) is not the same as asking for homosexuality. It is more tantamount to asking for RAPE. If Shepard could rape adults I would wonder why he couldn't rape children. As that is not the case it has no bearing on the conversation. 

An interracial relationship however involves two consenting adults like homosexuality. And like homosexuality certian parties disapprove and do not want to see it. 

So no it's nothing like pedophilia honey button. I'd appreciate you not trying to use crappy analogies. 

However, both Pedophiliacs and gay people claim to be born the way they are, so shouldn't pedophiliacs get equal rights as well?

After all, they are born that way.

Incorrect. You will find that most pedophiles had...issues during their development typically involving another pedophile.   

That and I'm not sure of the legality of including pedophilia in a game. 

The same be said that gay people are not born the way they are...it is a choice.

[nijnij]

Slayer_22 wrote...

nijnij wrote...

Slayer_22 wrote...
Edit: Better idea, make the game cost 10 dollars and have 50 dollars worth of content on xbox live. 5 dollars for heterosexual romances. 5 for bisexual. 5 for homosexual. 20 dollars for missions. And so on and so fourth.

I'm baffled that people would rather pay for DLC than have content in the game that is totally optional in the first place. Does homopobia go that far ?

First off, it was a joke. Second, I am not homophobic, it was a JOKE. I want all my content in the game. I was just saying that there is no way that bioware can please their fans. Everything they do is hated.

Sorry if I took it out of context ! Though it sums up what I saw other posters utter in all seriousness in previous threads so I maintain my remark, let's just say its not directed at you .

[Ryzaki]

House_Hlaalu wrote...
Its not about what they do in sex, its the fact that they are born the way they are. They can't help it. Or so they say, as well as gay people. And it seems you can't have a argument without rising to childish coarse language.

Oh, and nice ninja edit there.

Like you can't have an arguement without reverting to idiotic comparisons. Unless of course you want to add heterosexuality to your comparison to pedophila? Since people claimed to be born straight as well last I checked. Or does that analogy only apply for homosexuals? 

Believe me I was trying to keep calm. Would your prefer I reedit it back in? Because unlike you I'm not ashamed of what the hell I say and feel no need to hide behind an alternate account least my true nature be discovered. 

[MACharlie1]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Comsky159 wrote..


That's blatant misrepresentation of those against this toggle. In my mind and friends who share my opinion they are very different standpoints.

Consider instead if I asked for pedophilia to be involved. You have to understand that this type of offensive comparison can work for either side.

Actually it's more like your representation than you like to admit. 

Asking for pedophila (which by the way unlike homosexuality DOES NOT INVOLVE CONSENTING ADULTS) is not the same as asking for homosexuality. It is more tantamount to asking for RAPE. If Shepard could rape adults I would wonder why he couldn't rape children. As that is not the case it has no bearing on the conversation. 

An interracial relationship however involves two consenting adults like homosexuality. And like homosexuality certian parties disapprove and do not want to see it. 

So no it's nothing like pedophilia honey button. I'd appreciate you not trying to use crappy analogies. 

However, both Pedophiliacs and gay people claim to be born the way they are, so shouldn't pedophiliacs get equal rights as well?

After all, they are born that way.

Incorrect. You will find that most pedophiles had...issues during their development typically involving another pedophile.   

That and I'm not sure of the legality of including pedophilia in a game. 

The same be said that gay people are not born the way they are...it is a choice.

Dude. I can tell you right now it isn't a choice and that most homosexuals were not abused as children. Personal experience.

[whywhywhywhy]

Ryzaki wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...
If you view what happened to my people in this country the equal to what happened/happening to homosexuals, we have nothing else to say to one another.

It's cute that you think you're the only black person on these forums. 

As for equal? Nope. Eeriely similar in some ways? Yup. Just like it was eeriely similar to how every other group that's ever been discriminated against. Blacks are not some special snowflake when it comes to discrimination. 

I have nothing more to say to you.

[Ryzaki]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
I have nothing more to say to you.

That says everything I need to know. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:49 .

[Sshodan]

Another thing - adding content (any content) = including more people
removing content (again any) = excluding people

Including people is generally considered good. Excluding bad unless we are taking about subjects of dubious legality. That's why "anti" treads are locked.

[Blacklash93]

There's a difference between a choice and a preference.

I'll leave it at that.

[Saeran]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

The same be said that gay people are not born the way they are...it is a choice.

Wow, these threads pop up quicker than you can squash them down again. This isn't a zero-sum game. If I gain something you don't lose something. If you think it works like that, you're a moron.

And really? When did you actively make the choice to be heterosexual? But what does it matter. What anybody says in here will have no effect on your opinion. You are stuck in your ways the same as everybody else. Keep believing what you believe and get left behind, that's pretty much your only option.

[nijnij]

Ryzaki wrote...

So I should be able to make Jacob white if interracial romances bother me then? 

[...]

What exactly is so horrifying about an optional romance? 

Great point. A helmet toggle is okay because in order to play well, you have to wear a helmet. You don't have to use optional content so why toggle it off ?

[ElitePinecone]

House_Hlaalu wrote...
The same be said that gay people are not born the way they are...it is a choice.

Watch some gay porn. Right now. Go on. Do it. 

Then come back and tell me you can choose to be aroused rather than disgusted. 

I'll be waiting. 

[Blacklash93]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I should get a toggle to turn all blacks in power to white people because I don't want that forced on me.

First it's African american.
Second I hate when people try to compare the homosexual struggle to that of what my ancestors went through.  It's not even remotely close.  The subject here is about Differing views NOT trying to tie in racism into a platform to fight different views on relationship lifestyles.  I am greatly offended.

Since this thread is going to already going to hell...

Obviously homosexuals didn't have to deal with the grave injustices of slavery and the extent of discrimination nor is the nature of sexuality the same as race, but saying there aren't a few similarities is ridiculous. Hate is no different no matter how you put it or who it's for. Hating people for who they are is wrong and that's that.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:54 .

[Ryzaki]

nijnij wrote...
Great point. A helmet toggle is okay because in order to play well, you have to wear a helmet. You don't have to use optional content so why toggle it off ?

Helmet toggle was confirmed for ME3 right? 

Does that mean I can't keep my Sentry Visior? 

[nijnij]

IMHO, that thread is already controversial and inflammatory enough to start comparing burdens between minorities (which there's little point to BTW).

@Ryzaki I have no idea whether they'll have helmet toggle, I just picked the example of a toggle that makes sense and isn't outright offensive (athough it offends me cause I love helmets XD !).

Modifié par nijnij, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:58 .

[House_Hlaalu]

There is little to no scientific proof for being born gay. There is scientific proof against it. I don't have internet links, becuase my proof is a physical book. I suggest you read this book.

Anyway, im gonna play Morrowind, then go to bed. I will check this forum in probably 18 hours.

[Ryzaki]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Obviously homosexuals didn't have to deal with the grave injustices of slavery and the extent of discrimination nor is the nature of sexuality the same as race, but saying there aren't a few similarities is ridiculous. Hate is no different no matter how you put it or who it's for. Hating people for who they are is wrong and that's that.

Thank you for putting it more clearly than I could. 

Plenty of groups have had to endure hate just because of who they are. The Jews were exterminated in masse because of who they were. 

Saying them being forced into ghettos, to work, being used as labor and killed on someone's whims is nothing like what Blacks endured is silly. 

[Slayer_22]

House_Hlaalu. Do you really believe homsexuals are homosexual by choice? They just choose to like men? Well...wouldn't that mean that heterosexuals could just choose to like women? That one day a heterosexual is in love with a woman but he decides he wants some man lovin so he just turns gay? Because saying homosexuality is a choice is saying heterosexuality is a choice, because homosexuals can choose to be heterosexuals, meaning they were heterosexuals that chose to be homosexuals. So all heterosexuals are homosexuals, in reality. Right? Because that's what you're saying.

Modifié par Slayer_22, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:00 .