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[whywhywhywhy]

Blacklash93 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I should get a toggle to turn all blacks in power to white people because I don't want that forced on me.

First it's African american.
Second I hate when people try to compare the homosexual struggle to that of what my ancestors went through.  It's not even remotely close.  The subject here is about Differing views NOT trying to tie in racism into a platform to fight different views on relationship lifestyles.  I am greatly offended.

Obviously homosexuals didn't have to deal with the grave injustices of slavery and the extent of discrimination nor is the nature of sexuality the same as race, but saying there aren't a few similarities is ridiculous. Hate is no different no matter how you put it or who it's for. Hating people for who they are is wrong and that's that.

Elaborate, that statement as is I disagree with.  Share with me your point of view.

[Saeran]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

There is little to no scientific proof for being born gay. There is scientific proof against it. I don't have internet links, becuase my proof is a physical book. I suggest you read this book.

Anyway, im gonna play Morrowind, then go to bed. I will check this forum in probably 18 hours.

Stopped reading after realising author's blatent bias. You should of too, not being a fan of bias and all that.

[whywhywhywhy]

ElitePinecone wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...
The same be said that gay people are not born the way they are...it is a choice.

Watch some gay porn. Right now. Go on. Do it. 

Then come back and tell me you can choose to be aroused rather than disgusted. 

I'll be waiting. 

If you know that then why would it be a good idea to force (lack of option) someone to see something they may regard as to use your word "disgusted" by ?

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:05 .

[ElitePinecone]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

There is little to no scientific proof for being born gay. There is scientific proof against it.

Bullcrap. 

[Saeran]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

If you know that then why would it be a good idea to force (lack of option) someone to see something they may regard as to use your word "disgusted" by ?

So it's not a choice then and you just proved it with that statement. Thank you.

[mya11]

this tread is not locked strange ^^

[ElitePinecone]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
If you know that then why would it be a good idea to force (lack of option) someone to see something they may regard as to use your word "disgusted" by ?

Because if a person who is disgusted by something can't "choose" to like it, their whole argument about that thing being a choice falls to pieces. 

If attraction is something that can just be consciously switched on and off, my attraction to the same gender should be able to be switched off as easily as you can switch on an attraction to the same gender. 

Since you can't, and I can't, the 'choice' argument is absurd. 

[MACharlie1]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...
The same be said that gay people are not born the way they are...it is a choice.

Watch some gay porn. Right now. Go on. Do it. 

Then come back and tell me you can choose to be aroused rather than disgusted. 

I'll be waiting. 

If you know that then why would it be a good idea to force (lack of option) someone to see something they may regard as to use your word "disgusted" by ?

...but it's not being forced. Shepard can always say no. Just like I said no to Liara during first playthrough. 

[Ryzaki]

whywhywhywhy wrote...If you know that then why would it be a good idea to force (lack of option) someone to see something they may regard as to use your word "disgusted" by ?

If its a choice they should be able to choose to become aroused no? I don't get turned on watching lesbian porn but I might be a weird straight person. I dunno. 

either being gay is a choice and you can choose to be disgusted. Or it's not and your reaction is perfectly natural. 

Personally I go with the latter. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:10 .

[whywhywhywhy]

Saeran wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

If you know that then why would it be a good idea to force (lack of option) someone to see something they may regard as to use your word "disgusted" by ?

So it's not a choice then and you just proved it with that statement. Thank you.

It wasn't a statement, it was a question one you did not answer.....

[mjb203]

Personally, my concern with this is character consistency. Characters have always been one of Bioware's biggest strengths, but if the writing starts getting sloppy in an attempt to appeal to a larger demographic then that is a bad thing in my book. Please note, that I feel some of the characters could be written in a convincing way to swing both ways (from a meta-game perspective), but some would be much more difficult to portray in a believable way.

For example, say in a future Dragon Age game, we find out both Wade and Herren have wives. While I think that would be hilarious, it would also seem far removed from how there characters were established. They NEVER stated their sexuality, but it was heavily implied. This consideration should be taken into account with all characters. Due to Ashley's religious nature, I would find it more unbelievable for her to be portrayed as bisexual than Kaidan, for example.

[MACharlie1]

mjb203 wrote...

Personally, my concern with this is character consistency. Characters have always been one of Bioware's biggest strengths, but if the writing starts getting sloppy in an attempt to appeal to a larger demographic then that is a bad thing in my book. Please note, that I feel some of the characters could be written in a convincing way to swing both ways (from a meta-game perspective), but some would be much more difficult to portray in a believable way.

For example, say in a future Dragon Age game, we find out both Wade and Herren have wives. While I think that would be hilarious, it would also seem far removed from how there characters were established. They NEVER stated their sexuality, but it was heavily implied. This consideration should be taken into account with all characters. Due to Ashley's religious nature, I would find it more unbelievable for her to be portrayed as bisexual than Kaidan, for example.

See. I don't understand this logic. Can a bisexual NOT be religious? Especially in the future where all religions have already been rattled by the discovery of the Prothean ruins on Mars? 

[Saeran]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
It wasn't a statement, it was a question one you did not answer.....

Oh, you are correct. So it's not a choice and you proved it through having to ask that question. Thank you.

[Ryzaki]

MACharlie1 wrote...

See. I don't understand this logic. Can a bisexual NOT be religious? Especially in the future where all religions have already been rattled by the discovery of the Prothean ruins on Mars? 

I don't get it either. Especially not considering the dozens of other sins people most likely commit on a daily basis. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:13 .

[mjb203]

MACharlie1 wrote...

mjb203 wrote...

Personally, my concern with this is character consistency. Characters have always been one of Bioware's biggest strengths, but if the writing starts getting sloppy in an attempt to appeal to a larger demographic then that is a bad thing in my book. Please note, that I feel some of the characters could be written in a convincing way to swing both ways (from a meta-game perspective), but some would be much more difficult to portray in a believable way.

For example, say in a future Dragon Age game, we find out both Wade and Herren have wives. While I think that would be hilarious, it would also seem far removed from how there characters were established. They NEVER stated their sexuality, but it was heavily implied. This consideration should be taken into account with all characters. Due to Ashley's religious nature, I would find it more unbelievable for her to be portrayed as bisexual than Kaidan, for example.

See. I don't understand this logic. Can a bisexual NOT be religious? Especially in the future where all religions have already been rattled by the discovery of the Prothean ruins on Mars? 

I NEVER stated that, only that I would find it harder to believe.  Of course there are religious homosexuals and bisexuals. 

How would you feel if Wade and Herren turned out to be straight?  Would you scream retcon, or would you accept it as part of their characters? 

[Ryzaki]

mjb203 wrote...
I NEVER stated that, only that I would find it harder to believe.  Of course there are religious homosexuals and bisexuals. 

How would you feel if Wade and Herren turned out to be straight?  Would you scream retcon, or would you accept it as part of their characters? 

But why would it be harder to believe? 

Wade and Herren turning out to be straight would be a contradictory we know they're in a relationship. There's no way they're straight. Just like Ash's boyfriend and relationship with M!Shep would make her becoming a lesbian a contradiction. If they turned out to be BISEXUAL however I would accept it to be apart of their characters. Bisexuality = attraction to both genders. Lesbian/gay = attraction to the SAME gender and ONLY the same gender. 

Ash would be a bisexual not a lesbian. I don't know why people don't seem to understand this. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:17 .

[easyt3hremember]

I understand that some characters shoulden't get s/s, but this whole situation is getting out of hand, why all the fighting?

Modifié par easyt3hremember, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:25 .

[BSN89000]

Slayer_22 wrote...

House_Hlaalu. Do you really believe homsexuals are homosexual by choice? They just choose to like men?

In many instnaces (not always,  mark it,  but in many instances), it is more socially induced than not. Sometimes out of desire to "be diffirent", sometimes due to initial lack of success in relationships with the opposite sex, adolescents decide that "may be I'm gay". An as long as there is less social pressure on this behavior, it occurs more often. Naturally, popularization of the gay life style in the media and pop culture greatly factors in gender identification by adolescents. Naturally, gays are in favor of such popularization, because it means more sexual partners for them in the future. That's what they call "agenda". 

However, regarding the point ot this thread again, how is it "trolling" to simply request a TOGGLE IT OFF button in the Mass Effect 3 settings menu???

Modifié par BSN89000, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:25 .

[MACharlie1]

mjb203 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

mjb203 wrote...

Personally, my concern with this is character consistency. Characters have always been one of Bioware's biggest strengths, but if the writing starts getting sloppy in an attempt to appeal to a larger demographic then that is a bad thing in my book. Please note, that I feel some of the characters could be written in a convincing way to swing both ways (from a meta-game perspective), but some would be much more difficult to portray in a believable way.

For example, say in a future Dragon Age game, we find out both Wade and Herren have wives. While I think that would be hilarious, it would also seem far removed from how there characters were established. They NEVER stated their sexuality, but it was heavily implied. This consideration should be taken into account with all characters. Due to Ashley's religious nature, I would find it more unbelievable for her to be portrayed as bisexual than Kaidan, for example.

See. I don't understand this logic. Can a bisexual NOT be religious? Especially in the future where all religions have already been rattled by the discovery of the Prothean ruins on Mars? 

I NEVER stated that, only that I would find it harder to believe.  Of course there are religious homosexuals and bisexuals. 

How would you feel if Wade and Herren turned out to be straight?  Would you scream retcon, or would you accept it as part of their characters? 

But WHY would it be harder to believe? 

If Wade and Herren turned out to be straight - I'd be a bit confused but only because their character notes (it's in the Dragon Age toolset) and word of God (devs) say that they are a couple. I'll be honest; it didn't occur to me that these two were probably involved when I first played through DAO. 

[ElitePinecone]

mjb203 wrote...
How would you feel if Wade and Herren turned out to be straight?  Would you scream retcon, or would you accept it as part of their characters? 

There's a difference. We've seen them in a relationship, but they could still be bisexual - so seeing them with wives wouldn't be completely implausible. Presenting them as totally 'straight', when we know they've been together, would be a 'retcon', in the absence of a good explanation. 

A woman, say, whose sexuality is never defined, who one year romances solely men and then the next solely women is not "changing" from heterosexual to homosexual. 

They were always bisexual, and we're seeing two different periods of their lives. In the absence of defined sexuality (and a grand total of absolutely none of the ME characters have specifically stated their sexuality), nothing is a retcon because nothing has been established. 

[TMZuk]

While I have absolutely no problems with gays and/or bisexuals, I find it highly annoying that each and everyone of the characters your own character can form a relationship with, are bisexuals. It comes across as artificial, and breaks the immersion.

I don't understand why people will not rather have some well written specific romances, within your chosen sexuality.

In real life, I have never had a gay hitting on me. The gays I know have a very keen sense of recognizing other gays, and are far better at picking up signals than straight people are. Being a minority, they have to be.

So, when a character of the same sex as my character hits on him/her in a videogame, it just seems off. I think perhaps it would work better if you during character creation chose between straight/bisexual/gay and had the game respond to that choice.

[MACharlie1]

TMZuk wrote...

While I have absolutely no problems with gays and/or bisexuals, I find it highly annoying that each and everyone of the characters your own character can form a relationship with, are bisexuals. It comes across as artificial, and breaks the immersion.

I don't understand why people will not rather have some well written specific romances, within your chosen sexuality.

In real life, I have never had a gay hitting on me. The gays I know have a very keen sense of recognizing other gays, and are far better at picking up signals than straight people are. Being a minority, they have to be.

So, when a character of the same sex as my character hits on him/her in a videogame, it just seems off. I think perhaps it would work better if you during character creation chose between straight/bisexual/gay and had the game respond to that choice.

HA! I wish. :innocent:

[whywhywhywhy]

MACharlie1 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...
The same be said that gay people are not born the way they are...it is a choice.

Watch some gay porn. Right now. Go on. Do it. 

Then come back and tell me you can choose to be aroused rather than disgusted. 

I'll be waiting. 

If you know that then why would it be a good idea to force (lack of option) someone to see something they may regard as to use your word "disgusted" by ?

...but it's not being forced. Shepard can always say no. Just like I said no to Liara during first playthrough. 

I took the poster's word for it and asked a question.  As far as it not being forced you are under the assumption that some people aren't sheltered from homosexuals just the proposition may sour the gameplay experience depending on how they were raised.  I see the lack of a option as needless frustration from those who don't enjoy nor agree with the lifestyle.

[mjb203]

Ryzaki wrote...

mjb203 wrote...
I NEVER stated that, only that I would find it harder to believe.  Of course there are religious homosexuals and bisexuals. 

How would you feel if Wade and Herren turned out to be straight?  Would you scream retcon, or would you accept it as part of their characters? 

But why would it be harder to believe? 

Wade and Herren turning out to be straight would be a contradictory. If they turned out to be BISEXUAL however I would accept it to be apart of their characters. 

Ash would be a bisexual not a lesbian. I don't know why people don't seem to understand this. 

Them turning out to be straight would not be contradictory, their sexualities were NEVER stated in game.  They only had stereotypical homosexual accents.  It would be more difficult for me to believe because there are not a lot of religious homosexuals and bisexuals (at least where I'm from).  It may be easier for others to believe, and that's fine.  However, my point is, that I don't want Bioware's character writing to go downhill in an attempt to appeal to more people.  They shouldn't have to sacrifice that.  Everyone's seen the backlash from the Anders flirt (that he initiated). 

Anyway, I think we should drop the religious thing now as I don't want this to turn into a debate on that, I was only using it as an example.  I've got to get to work now, so everyone have a great day and I'll see you around the BSN later!

[Ryzaki]

^Word of God said they were in a relationship. So...yeah it is canon. The game doesn't need to say it if the producers do. That being changed would be a contradiction. 

So can I get a "no one hits on Shepard" toggle? Because I'm not used to people hitting on me and I don't enjoy or agree with that. (Seriously no sarcasm. Shiala made me wanna kick her through a wall). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:25 .