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[tobynator89]

as for the story treating both parties equally, THAT I'm against. I couldn't give a damn if they favoured either but making stuff equal simply for the sake of making things equal is bad storytelling IMO.

[Siansonea]

Asking the game to turn off Shepard's dialog options is silly. Especially for s/s content. I mean, that's one branch of dialog per LI character. If you don't start it, it won't happen. And why romance content? Why not a Paragon/Renegade toggle? After all, I may not want my choirboy Shepard to accidentally do a Renegade conversation option. So why not just toggle all those off? And what about aliens? My Shepard might not want to talk to aliens, so how about a "STFU Aliens!" toggle? When do we stop making toggles, and simply allow the player to make the decisions about what their character does, the way the game is now? Why are people so terrified that their Shepard is going to have to actively choose an option other than the "sex up Kaidan/Vega/Joker/Whoever" option? Why is simply having that innocuous little [FLIRT] option hanging out there so game breaking, when there are so many genuinely stupid things in the game already that don't incite such ire?

[Chun Hei]

Markun120 wrote...

I want a favorite junk food toggle now.

And I agree with the "don't accept the option" mentality.

That Sgt. Gardner does not make junk food. He makes only good organic food after he is done cleaning the toilets. If you had a junk food toggle he would be replaced by Burger King. If the no-recon fans see Shepard wake up to see Burger King in bed with him giving him a sandwich their heads will explode.

[stewie1974]

Well I'd rather all characters were there for a -reason-

ME2 did a rather poor job of giving each character legitmacy in the storyline...

It seems most are popped in as a potetential love interest in the first place.

At the end of the day, the most important person in the story line should be shepard anyway.

[shepskisaac]

SmoothJazz wrote...
Sorry, poor choice of words there. I doubt they believe it themselves, but they still stand by what they said. When Casey Hudson announced S/S LI, He seemed to lump F/F and M/M romances together. like they were both new to ME. Even though most of us know thats not true.

It's not like they're gonna admit what they were saying about Asari was BS. Not to mention there was human Kelly lol. It's just a PR no-no. Better to pretend nothing happened and announce the news as a total success. Frankly, I don't care. We're still finally getting s/s (esp. male ones) romances and that's the most important, not how BW markets it.

[jlb524]

tobynator89 wrote...

as for the story treating both parties equally, THAT I'm against. I couldn't give a damn if they favoured either but making stuff equal simply for the sake of making things equal is bad storytelling IMO.

The romances are so minor and inconsequential to the overarching story.

The alien and/or human that wants to jump in Shepard's pants really has no affect on that.

[tobynator89]

stewie1974 wrote...

Well I'd rather all characters were there for a -reason-

ME2 did a rather poor job of giving each character legitmacy in the storyline...

It seems most are popped in as a potetential love interest in the first place.

At the end of the day, the most important person in the story line should be shepard anyway.

disagree. ME is all about the padding and intrigue of the setting and the people (alien or not) that inhabit it.

[tobynator89]

jlb524 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

as for the story treating both parties equally, THAT I'm against. I couldn't give a damn if they favoured either but making stuff equal simply for the sake of making things equal is bad storytelling IMO.

The romances are so minor and inconsequential to the overarching story.

The alien and/or human that wants to jump in Shepard's pants really has no affect on that.

It is however a great storytelling tool. One of the oldest ones there is, but however minor it still keeps enthralling people. Saying that it's minor is irrelevant. It adds immensly just by being there.

And ME is nothing if not a setting to tell stories

[jlb524]

tobynator89 wrote...

It is however a great storytelling tool. One of the oldest ones there is, but however minor it still keeps enthralling people. Saying that it's minor is irrelevant. It adds immensly just by being there.

And ME is nothing if not a setting to tell stories

If so, then why limit the romance possibilities for some?

[gamer_girl]

Siansonea II wrote...

Asking the game to turn off Shepard's dialog options is silly. Especially for s/s content. I mean, that's one branch of dialog per LI character. If you don't start it, it won't happen.

The way romances have been started in the past have been flirting without initiation by Shepard. If this trend is to continue, then can you see how frustratingly repetitive that would be after every character comes up to you and starts flirting? It would be annoying. Why not fix them so romance ONLY initiates if a flirt is made by Shepard? That way people who don't want 20 characters annoying the crap out of them with their desperation will be satisfied, people who want bi characters will be satisfied, and then we can all shut up and quit arguing. It'd be about bloody time. <_<

Modifié par gamer_girl, 19 juillet 2011 - 09:04 .

[tobynator89]

jlb524 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

It is however a great storytelling tool. One of the oldest ones there is, but however minor it still keeps enthralling people. Saying that it's minor is irrelevant. It adds immensly just by being there.

And ME is nothing if not a setting to tell stories

If so, then why limit the romance possibilities for some?

Because more is not always better.

[jlb524]

tobynator89 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

It is however a great storytelling tool. One of the oldest ones there is, but however minor it still keeps enthralling people. Saying that it's minor is irrelevant. It adds immensly just by being there.

And ME is nothing if not a setting to tell stories

If so, then why limit the romance possibilities for some?

Because more is not always better.

If the options are already present in game with VO and dialog written, then why not remove the gender check for those and allow Shepards of the same sex to pursue them?

[rolson00]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

I mean it is a completely legitimate claim, we're not trying to stir up trouble and annoy people on the internet (which is what a troll is), we are just being honest with our opinion and what we want. It is especially wrong for these threads to be locked as trolls when pro S/S threads are not. Just look at this thread.

The only reason i can think of is that this site is unashamedly biased, considiring the S/S thread is the most active thread on the board.

its because it always ends up into people trolling

[FoxHound109]

stewie1974 wrote...

By this token of logic there should be characters who -are- not going to sleep with you  regardless of how -you- play. Just like in real life, you are going to get turned down and there should be those who only -swing- one way...both straight AND gay.....

I don't think we're in disagreement, good sir! :]

tobynator89 wrote...

Agreed, shepard could do with a good getting turned down. They've made it waaaay too easy on the player when it comes to these things. 

He does. Samara shoots him down if you try to go after her.

SmoothJazz wrote...

Sorry, poor choice of words there. I doubt they believe it themselves, but they still stand by what they said. When Casey Hudson announced S/S LI, He seemed to lump F/F and M/M romances together. like they were both new to ME. Even though most of us know thats not true.

Fair enough. :]

[Sunnie]

tobynator89 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

It is however a great storytelling tool. One of the oldest ones there is, but however minor it still keeps enthralling people. Saying that it's minor is irrelevant. It adds immensly just by being there.

And ME is nothing if not a setting to tell stories

If so, then why limit the romance possibilities for some?

Because more is not always better.

That statement works both ways.

[tobynator89]

jlb524 wrote...

If the options are already present in game with VO and dialog written, then why not remove the gender check for those and allow Shepards of the same sex to pursue them?

pardon, I do not understand the question. could you rephrase?

[tobynator89]

Sunnie22 wrote...

That statement works both ways.

well of course, its a balancing act making a game like this at best. And it's not possible to please everyone.

[Failed.Bard]

Chun Hei wrote...

The toggle option was discussed before on one of the MANY threads about s/s, and I believe the Bioware representative said the toggle would increase the likelihood of game breaking bugs and the "choice" game genre is plagued by enough bugs as it is.

  That's just... really, really, sad if that's true, and a simple if/else statement is likely to introduce game breaking bugs.

[MeAndMySandvich]

jlb524 wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...
Just so long as it is equal across the board then it's fine.

If by 'equal' you mean 'add in strictly gay options' then that won't happen.   Romances are already content most people don't use, so they want to avoid restricting a large portion of those who would possibly use it from seeing it.

Because straight people can't select gay romances? Just like male players can't choose to play as FemShep?

TBH, it still cracks me up that to this day Bioware has yet to include a fully gay or lesbian romance in their games.

[jbblue05]

jlb524 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

It is however a great storytelling tool. One of the oldest ones there is, but however minor it still keeps enthralling people. Saying that it's minor is irrelevant. It adds immensly just by being there.

And ME is nothing if not a setting to tell stories

If so, then why limit the romance possibilities for some?

Because the demands will never end.  Tali and Garrus are romanceable in ME2.  Male Shepard can be gay now.  After ME 3 group X is going to complain and want so and so to be romanceable and the cycle continues 

[MeAndMySandvich]

mrsph wrote...

I love that most of the controversy of this whole thing rarely involves characters like Liara. But instead revolves purely around another man hitting on another man.

Space bi chicks = hawt.

Space gays = OH NO WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

[jlb524]

tobynator89 wrote...
pardon, I do not understand the question. could you rephrase?

This is what we were discussing: 

1)  Romance content is minor and has no real affect on anything else in game.
2)  Most people don't even complete romances.
3)  The devs still pick a handful of characters and give them romance paths, putting time/effort into creating them, because there are a handful of fans that do enjoy these as it adds to the story of their Shepard.
4)  Some people think limited options based only on gender somehow adds to the 'narrative' or story or whatever. 

My question is, basically, if the content is already present and most people don't use it anyway, why limit it further and only based on gender?  You want to say, 'because of the story' but that will actually limit story telling possibilities for some, considering what the Mass Effect story is supposed to be about (your Shepard).

This game isn't supposed to have a defined protagonist and story...part of its appeal is in the ability to craft your own Shepard and story and romances are a big part of that....this is also why there are always romance options and never pre-determined canon romances.   If they only limited MaleShepard's romance to Ashley and it wasn't optional and vice versa with FemShep and Kaidan, you know they could do a lot more with the romance 'story' as all variablility in romance will be removed....but they don't...they want to give some options. 

Modifié par jlb524, 19 juillet 2011 - 09:23 .

[Sunnie]

jbblue05 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

It is however a great storytelling tool. One of the oldest ones there is, but however minor it still keeps enthralling people. Saying that it's minor is irrelevant. It adds immensly just by being there.

And ME is nothing if not a setting to tell stories

If so, then why limit the romance possibilities for some?

Because the demands will never end.  Tali and Garrus are romanceable in ME2.  Male Shepard can be gay now.  After ME 3 group X is going to complain and want so and so to be romanceable and the cycle continues 

Actually, I don't think it will be an issue going forward because BioWare has learned valuable lessons through the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series, and future products will just include s/s content right from the start and there won't be any more whining from trollophobes complaining about how their favorite characters were "changed".

As much as I dislike some of what they have done with their games, I do respect the hell out of them for acknowledging what a not-so-insignificant portion of their customer base wants, and moving forward.

[tobynator89]

jlb524 wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...
pardon, I do not understand the question. could you rephrase?

This is what we were discussing: 

1)  Romance content is minor and has no real affect on anything else in game.
2)  Most people don't even complete romances.
3)  The devs still pick a handful of characters and give them romance paths, putting time/effort into creating them, because their are a handful of fans that do enjoy these as it adds to the story of their Shepard.
4)  Some people think limited options based only on gender somehow adds to the 'narrative' or story or whatever. 

My question is, basically, if the content is already present and most people don't use it anyway, why limit it further and only based on gender?  You want to say, 'because of the story' but that will actually limit story telling possibilities for some, considering what the Mass Effect story is supposed to be about (your Shepard).

This game isn't supposed to have a defined protagonist and story...part of its appeal is in the ability to craft your own Shepard and story and romances are a big part of that....this is also why there are always romance options and never pre-determined canon romances.   If they only limited MaleShepard's romance to Ashley and it wasn't optional and vice versa with FemShep and Kaidan, you know they could do a lot more with the romance 'story' as all variablility in romance will be removed....but they don't...they want to give some options. 

1)bull
2)Complete bull
3)replace handfull with majority
4)It does

We will never agree on anything in this regard.