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[FoxHound109]

ReconTeam wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...
Which part of that is assumption? That developers have to survive by reaching broader audiences and that doing so requires respecting the differences between those gamers? On planet are these assumptions?

It's all assumption. Despite your ideas of what "adaptation" means, many developers have been able to survive by appealing to a single, sometimes niche market. They don't need to pander to the S/S crowd to survive if that is what you're indeed implying.

You're right that they can still survive, but that plan won't last in the long run. Niche markets will continue to make the same amount of profit and game development cost will only continue to skyrocket.  This is the primary reason why the Japanese gaming industry is falling apart: the costs are rising and their previous fanbase isn't big enough to support them. This is compounded with their inability to reach new markets and new gamers that are starting to enjoy the hobby. 

I'm not saying they need to pander to the s/s crowd speicifically, I'm saying they need to realize that games cost money to make and profit comes directly from the gamers, who have changed with the years. This means expanding ideas and concepts and using the differences between all these players as an advantage.

[Weiser_Cain]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

mya11 wrote...

Why Bioware don't create a new squadmate is gay(male) or lesbian (girl), it's a good solution and no change again and again sexuality for fanbase.

Probably because there aren't enough gay people that play thier games to justify an only gay companion. All gay companions are Bi.

Wait, are you suggesting you have to be gay to rp a gay character? 'cause, no.

[House_Hlaalu]

S.A.K wrote...

That thread got locked because of spam. Its not OPs fault, but the people commenting on it takes it of topic. Sorry about reporting it.

Thats not what John Epler said...

"Troll thread"

"It is also not a good idea to respond to trolls, as you end up
continuing a problem thread for pages and pages, creating more work for
our Moderators."

There may have been trolls in the thread, but it wasn't a troll thread, and yet he refers to it as such, simply because the OP does not agree with S/S romance. I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't such a blatant Bias by not locking the S/S threads as "troll threads".

[House_Hlaalu]

FoxHound109 wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...


Haha, it was a physical magazine (an *actual* magazine), and a womans one as well. Something like Woman's day...

You're really trusting "Woman's Day" about your video gaming news and statistics? =p

I did say "Or at least thats what i read on some magazine" meaning im slightly skeptical. But regardless, it had some statistic, and it sounds about right. And like i said, it doesn't matter, so stop replying to that.

[ElitePinecone]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

That thread got locked because of spam. Its not OPs fault, but the people commenting on it takes it of topic. Sorry about reporting it.

Thats not what John Epler said...

"Troll thread"

"It is also not a good idea to respond to trolls, as you end up
continuing a problem thread for pages and pages, creating more work for
our Moderators."

There may have been trolls in the thread, but it wasn't a troll thread, and yet he refers to it as such, simply because the OP does not agree with S/S romance. I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't such a blatant Bias by not locking the S/S threads as "troll threads".

Then take it up with Epler.

Creating a topic about it won't get you any answers, it'll get this thread locked because a dozen people from both sides jump in and start having arguments.

If you have a problem with the way some moderators are locking threads, or you think Bioware is biased, PM Chris Priestly or Stanley Woo. 

Otherwise this is an exercise in futility - no offence. 

[easyt3hremember]

Because the anti s/s Crowd are usually mistaken has Homophobes, I have nothing against s/s, but making every character in ME3 Bi-sexual seems a bit silly, personally for sexual diversity I think some characters should ******-Sexual, Bi-Sexual and also HetroSexual.

Modifié par easyt3hremember, 19 juillet 2011 - 08:55 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

FoxHound109 wrote...
You're right that they can still survive, but that plan won't last in the long run. Niche markets will continue to make the same amount of profit and game development cost will only continue to skyrocket.  This is the primary reason why the Japanese gaming industry is falling apart: the costs are rising and their previous fanbase isn't big enough to support them. This is compounded with their inability to reach new markets and new gamers that are starting to enjoy the hobby. 

I'm not saying they need to pander to the s/s crowd speicifically, I'm saying they need to realize that games cost money to make and profit comes directly from the gamers, who have changed with the years. This means expanding ideas and concepts and using the differences between all these players as an advantage.

I don't pay a ton of attention to the Japanese game industry but it seemed healthy enough last time I saw.

Regardless I think you're a bit off here. It isn't about "diverse markets" in the sense of a persons gender, lifestyle, or age, it is "diverse markets" in terms of different genres, levels of simplicity/realism, and etc.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 19 juillet 2011 - 08:29 .

[KawaiiKatie]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

There may have been trolls in the thread, but it wasn't a troll thread, and yet he refers to it as such, simply because the OP does not agree with S/S romance. I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't such a blatant Bias by not locking the S/S threads as "troll threads".

No, that was definitely a troll thread to begin with. Saying that is was impossible for Vega to be gay because of his profession, saying that all gay dialogue should be stripped from the game because "seriously who wants to hear about that"? Yeah. Troll.

Pretty much any thread that starts with "I don't hate gays but" is going to be a troll thread.

[S.A.K]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

That thread got locked because of spam. Its not OPs fault, but the people commenting on it takes it of topic. Sorry about reporting it.

Thats not what John Epler said...

"Troll thread"

"It is also not a good idea to respond to trolls, as you end up
continuing a problem thread for pages and pages, creating more work for
our Moderators."

There may have been trolls in the thread, but it wasn't a troll thread, and yet he refers to it as such, simply because the OP does not agree with S/S romance. I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't such a blatant Bias by not locking the S/S threads as "troll threads".

That thread was not a troll thread to start with. But after people started putting bias comments, it became one.

[Ryzaki]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

There may have been trolls in the thread, but it wasn't a troll thread, and yet he refers to it as such, simply because the OP does not agree with S/S romance. I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't such a blatant Bias by not locking the S/S threads as "troll threads".

No, that was definitely a troll thread to begin with. Saying that is was impossible for Vega to be gay because of his profession, saying that all gay dialogue should be stripped from the game because "seriously who wants to hear about that"? Yeah. Troll.

Pretty much any thread that starts with "I don't hate gays but" is going to be a troll thread.

That's my take on it as well. The "well there should be straight romaces but not gay romances period (even with completely new charaters) because I don't want it" to me is more trolling. 

[FoxHound109]

ReconTeam wrote...

I don't pay a ton of attention to the Japanese game industry but it seemed healthy enough last time I saw.

Regardless I think you're a bit off here. It isn't about "diverse markets" in the sense of a persons gender, lifestyle, or age, it is "diverse markets" in terms of different genres, levels of simplicity/realism, and etc.

It's not. The Japanese gaming industry is a disaster. Nintendo aside, they are all struggling. Not the least being Square-Enix which had to go out of its way to purchase Eidos in order the reach the otherwise impenetrable western market that once belonged to them during the Playstation era.

As for your second point: it couldn't be both of those because...?

[BSN89000]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Have you considered that Bioware have their own decision making process that isn't based on the comments of a few hundred people on an internet forum? That they have marketing concerns and budgetary reasons for doing what they do? 

Well, judging by the reaction to DA2, some of their planning seems to have lapses. Among other things about DA2 people were complaining about the over-intrusiveness of a certain type of content, which was all the more self-evident next to the lackluster quality of the content that was supposed to be the core of the game.

Despite all the political BS about political correctness, there are still plenty of people out there who'll find gay sex content (especially m/m) in their game morally reprehensible and outright offensive.

It's only fair that the game should provide an option in the Settings menu to switch off this type of content, the way some games allow to switch off blood&gore, foul language, etc.

The usual handwave from BioWare like "don't wan't - don't choose those options" is the same as if people who wanted to play a shooter without excesive blood&gore were advised to not shoot things. Why not be honest and say then: "don't want - don't play buy"???

[GodWood]

The Japanese games industry isn't falling apart.
The Wii sells more then all the other game systems put together.

[S.A.K]

@House_Hlaalu I suggest you PM Stanley about this issue. This thread is most likely get locked because it doesn't belong in character section.

[House_Hlaalu]

ElitePinecone wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

That thread got locked because of spam. Its not OPs fault, but the people commenting on it takes it of topic. Sorry about reporting it.

Thats not what John Epler said...

"Troll thread"

"It is also not a good idea to respond to trolls, as you end up
continuing a problem thread for pages and pages, creating more work for
our Moderators."

There may have been trolls in the thread, but it wasn't a troll thread, and yet he refers to it as such, simply because the OP does not agree with S/S romance. I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't such a blatant Bias by not locking the S/S threads as "troll threads".

Then take it up with Epler.

Creating a topic about it won't get you any answers, it'll get this thread locked because a dozen people from both sides jump in and start having arguments.

If you have a problem with the way some moderators are locking threads, or you think Bioware is biased, PM Chris Priestly or Stanley Woo. 

Otherwise this is an exercise in futility - no offence. 

No, because i percieve them as obvious pro-gay supporters, so PM'ing them would be futile. I want to try to appeal to the whole of BSN. Raise awareness. And so far, i havn't seen much arguing on this thread, certainly not beyond other, non romance threads. It would be good to prove that a thread against anti S/S  doesn't have to be full of trolls.

Edited.

Modifié par House_Hlaalu, 19 juillet 2011 - 08:42 .

[Ryzaki]

Well...for one thing unlike shooting in a shooting game romances are not an integral part of BW games last I checked. I was perfectly capable of completing the game without romancing anyone.

Can't really do the same with shooting in a shooting game. 

So yes it is perfectly avoidable no matter how many people screech that it's not.  

I have to fire a gun in Mass Effect. (even as a biotic). I do not have to romance anyone. There is a very clear difference there. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 08:32 .

[FoxHound109]

GodWood wrote...

The Japanese games industry isn't falling apart.
The Wii sells more then all the other game systems put together.

I specifically said: "Nintendo ASIDE..."

Nintendo isn't the entire Japanese gaming industry. 

[mya11]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

mya11 wrote...

Why Bioware don't create a new squadmate is gay(male) or lesbian (girl), it's a good solution and no change again and again sexuality for fanbase.

Probably because there aren't enough gay people that play thier games to justify an only gay companion. All gay companions are Bi.

Wait, are you suggesting you have to be gay to rp a gay character? 'cause, no.

I am not gay, I m hetero, but for the future licence it's most realistic Bioware create squadmate are 100 % gay and no change sexuality for fanbase

[Massadonious1]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Liberals are offended and angered by contrary opinions.

Now this thread will definetly get locked.

[jshadow]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 Because the S/S crowd are afraid. I could care less. I support s/s as long as they dont touch certain characters.

*cough*Garrus!*cough*

In future Biogames other than ME3, all romanceable characters will be bisexual, like Dragon Age 2. Soon there won't be any straight people.

except the non romancable chars

[House_Hlaalu]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

There may have been trolls in the thread, but it wasn't a troll thread, and yet he refers to it as such, simply because the OP does not agree with S/S romance. I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't such a blatant Bias by not locking the S/S threads as "troll threads".

No, that was definitely a troll thread to begin with. Saying that is was impossible for Vega to be gay because of his profession, saying that all gay dialogue should be stripped from the game because "seriously who wants to hear about that"? Yeah. Troll.

Pretty much any thread that starts with "I don't hate gays but" is going to be a troll thread.

He may not have gone about it in the right way, but he certainly wasn't a troll, his (percieved) intention was to voice his opinion, not to purposely annoy people.

[FoxHound109]

BSN89000 wrote...

It's only fair that the game should provide an option in the Settings menu to switch off this type of content, the way some games allow to switch off blood&gore, foul language, etc.

...different races, different religious creeds, different ethnicities...

*Cough*

[Ryzaki]

House_Hlaalu wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

House_Hlaalu wrote...

There may have been trolls in the thread, but it wasn't a troll thread, and yet he refers to it as such, simply because the OP does not agree with S/S romance. I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't such a blatant Bias by not locking the S/S threads as "troll threads".

No, that was definitely a troll thread to begin with. Saying that is was impossible for Vega to be gay because of his profession, saying that all gay dialogue should be stripped from the game because "seriously who wants to hear about that"? Yeah. Troll.

Pretty much any thread that starts with "I don't hate gays but" is going to be a troll thread.

He may not have gone about it in the right way, but he certainly wasn't a troll, his (percieved) intention was to voice his opinion, not to purposely annoy people.

If my opinion was "all women are sl*ts." that's trolling. I can claim it's my opinion until the cows come home. That doesn't stop it from being trolling. (correction: If I posted this on a message board. If I merely thought this then it's just a opinon. (Not even gonna get in the opinions can be wrong can of worms.) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 08:37 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

FoxHound109 wrote...
It's not. The Japanese gaming industry is a disaster. Nintendo aside, they are all struggling. Not the least being Square-Enix which had to go out of its way to purchase Eidos in order the reach the otherwise impenetrable western market that once belonged to them during the Playstation era.

As for your second point: it couldn't be both of those because...?

Sony seems to be doing pretty well off, minus the noise coming from hackers and idiots causing problems for them.

As per my second point, why would it be both when the first factor is generally insignificant compared to the second. You can get more players by building a better game than pandering to people of a specific type for example.

If you're theory of diversifying holds true there would also be a tipping point where things begin to suck. Now ideally this would generate more interest in more "focused" titles. Specialization can
be a very good thing at times. Also some markets and franchise clearly don't have to worry about diversifying. Mainstream FPSs for example. Even Bioware's sales with DA:O and ME1/2 were certainly enough to guarantee they aren't in danger of running out of market share.