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[HoonDing]

Why doesn't Gorion reveal in his letter to <Charname> the truth about his/her mother? Even though Gorion is a good man, he flat out lies from beyond the grave, even mentions they were lovers... why not reveal the truth immediately (it's not like it would be a bigger shock than the revelation of being a Bhaalspawn).

It doesn't really make sense, considering what happens later in BG2. It could even be considered a retcon.

[morbidest2]

Well, Gorion and Alieanna  could have been lovers  before she got caught up in being a murder priestess. Obviously he was keeping in touch with her so he knew that the PC had been born and when to show up with a war party (I would assume that Jaheira and Khalid were in it, and perhaps Ribald?) to disrupt the slaughtering of the children. Gorion and his friends may have assumed that had been enough to put an end to the plans to raise Bhaal. It apparently took at least 15 years before enough evidence accumulated to get him and Elminister worried and another year or so before they decided to act. It's one thing to say to your stepchild "I loved your mother", but a little more difficult to continue with " but I had to kill her before she killed you". Gorion may have decided to wait until PC was more mature (say 25, instead of 18) before unloading the trauma on him. Would Sigmund Freud  have approved?  Beats me.

[BelgarathMTH]

Yikes, virumor. This the no-spoilers forum, and that one is giant.

[Stanley Woo]

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[devSin]

virumor wrote...

It doesn't really make sense, considering what happens later in BG2. It could even be considered a retcon.

Because it is.

I think the writers sometimes tried to argue back (saying that it was a single vague letter), but they basically ignored the BG elements when doing ToB (and they had no idea where things would go when they were doing BG).

It wasn't a cohesive story that was scripted before they even did the first game. They just sort of made it up as they went along. So don't pay too much attention to the differences between the two ('cause the writers sure didn't, har!).

[HoonDing]

^Another point supporting the retcon theory is that Gorion does not reveal in his letter that Imoen is a Bhaalspawn as well.

morbidest2 wrote...

Well, Gorion and Alieanna  could have been lovers  before she got caught up in being a murder priestess. Obviously he was keeping in touch with her so he knew that the PC had been born and when to show up with a war party (I would assume that Jaheira and Khalid were in it, and perhaps Ribald?) to disrupt the slaughtering of the children. Gorion and his friends may have assumed that had been enough to put an end to the plans to raise Bhaal. It apparently took at least 15 years before enough evidence accumulated to get him and Elminister worried and another year or so before they decided to act. It's one thing to say to your stepchild "I loved your mother", but a little more difficult to continue with " but I had to kill her before she killed you". Gorion may have decided to wait until PC was more mature (say 25, instead of 18) before unloading the trauma on him. Would Sigmund Freud  have approved?  Beats me.

Not a bad explanation, but even though I am not familiar with the details, I am pretty sure that one does not simply become a Bhaal priestess out of the blue? And even if this would be possible, why would Bhaal choose to impregnate a newbie priestess rather than someone already deeply entrenched in his wicked faith-? I doubt whether a newbie priestess would easily agree to sacrifice her child... It is possible that Alianna was a priestess in disguise, of course, but wouldn't an intelligent man like Gorion see through that (never mind "love is blind" and all that).

From the conversation in ToB between ghost-Gorion and ghost-Alianna, it also seemed to me that Alianna and Gorion were not familiar at all and was just one of many Bhaal followers that were about to sacrifice their newborn. A big point in ToB is exactly that Gorion could just have well have taken Sarevok with him rather than <charname>.

Modifié par virumor, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:12 .

[BelgarathMTH]

I agree with what you're saying, Virumor. That whole thing with Gorion didn't make a lot of sense to me either. I think we have a classic retcon going on here, and the only thing that makes it make sense at all for me is that Gorion might not have wanted Charname to know, ever. "Your mother wanted to kill you as soon as you were born" is a pretty awful thing to tell a child, or even a young adult.

Perhaps the spirit Gorion figures that Charname is finally ready to hear it now that he/she has come so far. Perhaps the Solar has discussed the matter with Gorion beforehand and convinced him that Charname needs to know.

About Khalid and Jaheira - if they were in on the rescue, then that means they would have been at least 18-21, and then they would be in their forties or fifties when Charname first meets them. Now, I know they're elves and all, but .... a fifty year old elven Jaheira with a twentysomething Charname? I guess this is a different topic, but do fifty to one-hundred year old elves really mate with twentysomething humans?

I would think that half-elven children are born of unions between very young, naive elves and humans who look the same age. A mature, wise elf ought to know better.

[HoonDing]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

About Khalid and Jaheira - if they were in on the rescue, then that means they would have been at least 18-21, and then they would be in their forties or fifties when Charname first meets them. Now, I know they're elves and all, but .... a fifty year old elven Jaheira with a twentysomething Charname? I guess this is a different topic, but do fifty to one-hundred year old elves really mate with twentysomething humans?

I would think that half-elven children are born of unions between very young, naive elves and humans who look the same age. A mature, wise elf ought to know better.

That's an interesting topic. Judging from Neverwinter Nights' character generation, it seems that for Elves/Half-Elves, 100 years is considered young adult (the equivalent of a 20-year old human). They simply age much slower. I think the biggest issue with Elven-Human unions would be the Elves outliving their partner... I don't know what the lore says about it but I think such unions should be uncommon.

And not to forget, in Lord of the Rings, there is the case of 2000 years old Elves (which are still considered young, mind you) interbreeding with humans.

[Sparky The Barbarian]

Hi son, I adopted you because your mother was an evil **** who never loved you and gave birth to you only to murder you so an evil god could live again. I had to kill her to save your life. Good luck on your quest. Hope you're not too depressed and can stay focused.

[HoonDing]

Sparky The Barbarian wrote...

Hi son, I adopted you because your mother was an evil **** who never loved you and gave birth to you only to murder you so an evil god could live again. I had to kill her to save your life. Good luck on your quest. Hope you're not too depressed and can stay focused.

<Charname> would, depending on alignment, be elated upon knowing this information.

[BelgarathMTH]

Maybe the Gorion in the vision isn't the real Gorion at all, but rather a manifestation of Charname's subconscious.

I know I dream about my dead loved ones all the time, and in some dreams, they seem so real, that I have to remind myself when I wake up to take what they say in the dreams with a grain of salt, because it is really my own mind talking to itself.

Also, that Solar in the pocket plane doesn't seem to have the best of intentions. She keeps trying to get Charname killed after every vision, after all. I don't trust her.