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[ir7200]

get the feeling that it might have all just been a clever ruse to destroy Shephards reputation and standing (well, whatever he had left once word got out that he was with Cerberus) by tricking him into blowing up a star system?

While playing I was under the impression that it couldn't possibly be a tangible storyline/threat, seeing as the reapers went through so much trouble in ME1 to ride into town, and were in the process of doing the same for ME2.

I figured that if I were in the Reapers' situation I would want to cover all my bases. Priority 1: Stop shep and the suicide mission. Failing that, go to Priority 2: Ruin his reputation so that he even if he does survive against all odds, he can't possibly have a chance of uniting the galaxy in ME3.

Anyone else wonder about this? (If I've missed something horribly obvious and this is way off, please let me know!)

All the best

[ir7200]

hmm....that's a good point/interesting take on it!

[eternalnightmare13]

The batarians have never struck me as an intellectually driven race. They've always come across as militant/hard line military/terrorism. Especially when compared to salarians, humans, and the asari. Personally, I doubt the batarians would be actively doing archaeological digs, and I have a hard time believing an artifact from the Reapers would be just sitting smack dab on the ground. I would suspect it'd be buried or in some collapse overgrown ruins. It doesn't surprise me the batarians didn't find Object Rho.

As far as the military base, that could've easily been the proverbial 'two birds with one stone''. Hackett may have already known about the project to crash the asteroid into the relay, and sent Shepard to ensure it was done regardless of the Dr's enprisonment.

If the Arrival was a ruse by the Reapers to cause dissidence amongst humanity and the rest of the galaxy it was rather clever and potentialy successful. The Reapers may have also reckoned that there was a high chance that Shepard would be killed in the explosion resulting from the asteroid hitting the relay.

[BentOrgy]

ir7200 wrote...

get the feeling that it might have all just been a clever ruse to destroy Shephards reputation and standing (well, whatever he had left once word got out that he was with Cerberus) by tricking him into blowing up a star system?

While playing I was under the impression that it couldn't possibly be a tangible storyline/threat, seeing as the reapers went through so much trouble in ME1 to ride into town, and were in the process of doing the same for ME2.

I figured that if I were in the Reapers' situation I would want to cover all my bases. Priority 1: Stop shep and the suicide mission. Failing that, go to Priority 2: Ruin his reputation so that he even if he does survive against all odds, he can't possibly have a chance of uniting the galaxy in ME3.

Anyone else wonder about this? (If I've missed something horribly obvious and this is way off, please let me know!)

All the best

Or the, sadly, more likely scenario;

Bioware Edmonton was done dealing with ME2, and wanted to focus instead on the sequel on the horizon. So they pitched us a half-assed final act to say, "Here, we did it. Happy?"

Harsh, perhaps, but considering the outstanding quality of the previous DLC entries, I say it applies to me. This accounts for why so many of us felt that Arrival's "Plot," was either poorly written or poorly executed... Or both.

Because it was.

The Reapers aren't stupid, or rather, they're not supposed to be, so you're right, they should have their bases covered. Which is why something like Arrival doesn't make much sense to me. You can only play the "Evil is arrogant," routine so much until it becomes stale and illogical,

Modifié par BentOrgy, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:45 .

[Raven4030]

The Batarians are North Korea.

An individual Batarian might have a genuine scientific interest in the protheans and want to do excavations, but their government seems to believe that they can sustain themselves on propaganda and happy thoughts so any scientists among them has zero funding for any research.

[BentOrgy]

(Ignore.)

Modifié par BentOrgy, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:15 .

[BentOrgy]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That's ridiculous. The batarians are not stupid. Prothean artifacts are a source of great power and wealth because of the potential technological advancements they bring.

It's why the batarians took the Leviathan of Dis.

If they had a sense that there was an ancient alien artifact somewhere in or near their territory I guarantee you they'd try and find it.

Exactly, They were the ones who found sovereign, and were intruiged enough to contract Quian (A human.) to puzzle it out. Batarians are a lot more sophisticated than people realize. Although that might be because so much of what Drew wrote was kinda left for dead.

But back to Object Rho, like Dis, they would have denied its existence to shun people away from it, and like we've seen in Revelation, they sure as hell wouldn't be opposed to killing snoopers from taking a peek anyway.

Its like the Derelict Reaper, how is it only Cerberus found this GIANT relic floating in the middle of space?

Seems Bioware is keen on forgetting the entire galaxy (And sometimes story elements all together.) for a simple plot device.

[Jamin101]

BentOrgy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

That's ridiculous. The batarians are not stupid. Prothean artifacts are a source of great power and wealth because of the potential technological advancements they bring.

It's why the batarians took the Leviathan of Dis.

If they had a sense that there was an ancient alien artifact somewhere in or near their territory I guarantee you they'd try and find it.

Exactly, They were the ones who found sovereign, and were intruiged enough to contract Quian (A human.) to puzzle it out. Batarians are a lot more sophisticated than people realize. Although that might be because so much of what Drew wrote was kinda left for dead.

But back to Object Rho, like Dis, they would have denied its existence to shun people away from it, and like we've seen in Revelation, they sure as hell wouldn't be opposed to killing snoopers from taking a peek anyway.

Its like the Derelict Reaper, how is it only Cerberus found this GIANT relic floating in the middle of space?

Seems Bioware is keen on forgetting the entire galaxy (And sometimes story elements all together.) for a simple plot device.

 Having just done the reaper mission this week he is not floating in space he is several hundred km inside a failed star (a huge gas giant with fusion in its core). Joker even mentions how he can barely keep the Normandy steady in the over 500 kph winds.

As for the Rho the batarians mention they could spend years scanning every asteroid in the system and not find the alliance military base. Seeing as this object is smaller then a base it would be harder to find. Or did you forget just in that one system there are thousands of asteroids.

Just because you dont listen to the dialogue or skip the reading doesnt mean Bioware forgets things for plot device

[Jamin101]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That's ridiculous. The batarians are not stupid. Prothean artifacts are a source of great power and wealth because of the potential technological advancements they bring.

It's why the batarians took the Leviathan of Dis.

If they had a sense that there was an ancient alien artifact somewhere in or near their territory I guarantee you they'd try and find it.

Who says they had any idea it even existed? And like the other poster I got far more of a North Korea vibe as did my brother watching then the Batarians are smart vibe.

Just because something is valuable doesnt mean they would know where to look, how to look or what to do even if they find something

[BentOrgy]

Jamin101 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

That's ridiculous. The batarians are not stupid. Prothean artifacts are a source of great power and wealth because of the potential technological advancements they bring.

It's why the batarians took the Leviathan of Dis.

If they had a sense that there was an ancient alien artifact somewhere in or near their territory I guarantee you they'd try and find it.

Exactly, They were the ones who found sovereign, and were intruiged enough to contract Quian (A human.) to puzzle it out. Batarians are a lot more sophisticated than people realize. Although that might be because so much of what Drew wrote was kinda left for dead.

But back to Object Rho, like Dis, they would have denied its existence to shun people away from it, and like we've seen in Revelation, they sure as hell wouldn't be opposed to killing snoopers from taking a peek anyway.

Its like the Derelict Reaper, how is it only Cerberus found this GIANT relic floating in the middle of space?

Seems Bioware is keen on forgetting the entire galaxy (And sometimes story elements all together.) for a simple plot device.

 Having just done the reaper mission this week he is not floating in space he is several hundred km inside a failed star (a huge gas giant with fusion in its core). Joker even mentions how he can barely keep the Normandy steady in the over 500 kph winds.

As for the Rho the batarians mention they could spend years scanning every asteroid in the system and not find the alliance military base. Seeing as this object is smaller then a base it would be harder to find. Or did you forget just in that one system there are thousands of asteroids.

Just because you dont listen to the dialogue or skip the reading doesnt mean Bioware forgets things for plot device

... And yet Cerberus found it anyway. <_<

Which was my point; its over 37 million years old, but conviently only Cerberus was able to locate it. Impossible? Perhaps not. Improbable? Definately. Don't accuse me of not reading, or skipping anything, becuase I obviously haven't.

That aside, YOU are neglecting that fact that the Batarians still found Sovereign, who was (Its been a while for me since Revelation.) wedge in an asteroid just like Rho. Now obviously, Rho is MUCH smaller than a Reaper, but it does prove a point; that the Batarians evidently comb over their territories very carefully. Which is again, why I, and others, find it odd; Batarian system, Batarians swarming the place, colonizing and surveying, Batarians having the habit of unearthing rare finds.... Humans find it first. Right. A more plausible scenario would have been that the Alliance had sent a few spies to illegally sniff around Batarian space, overheard some chatter, and found out about the Object that way. How they would keep the Batarians shut up is another matter... Posing an accident maybe?

And please, I've seen that eyesore "Mass Effect: Genesis." Feros is completely missing, Noveria is barely glossed over, and the Geth are hardly explained. Again, they keen on forgetting "Little," things.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:47 .

[008Zulu]

Been saying for a while now that Object Rho is a beacon, a signal for the Reapers to aim their massive space shotgun, that fires Reapers, at. Coming in via the Citadel was the easy way, launching yourselves to the very outer rim of the galaxy is the hard way.