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[RampantAndroid]

So, did anyone else see the similarities between Fenris and the whole Wolverine story? Something done to him that was amazingly painful but makes him into a weapon and wiped out his memory...angry and wants to kill Col Stryker, I mean...Denearius.

I cannot be the only person who noticed this...and while I don't expect Bioware to come up with 100% original never heard of before ideas...I also don't like to see just a total carbon copy going on...

[Heidenreich]

RampantAndroid wrote...

So, did anyone else see the similarities between Fenris and the whole Wolverine story? Something done to him that was amazingly painful but makes him into a weapon and wiped out his memory...angry and wants to kill Col Stryker, I mean...Denearius.

I cannot be the only person who noticed this...and while I don't expect Bioware to come up with 100% original never heard of before ideas...I also don't like to see just a total carbon copy going on...

Everything in litature has already been done.

Thus, any simmilarities between characters is to be expected.

Nothing writen has ever been, nor ever will be completely new or original.

[RampantAndroid]

Heidenreich wrote...


Everything in litature has already been done.

Thus, any simmilarities between characters is to be expected.

Nothing writen has ever been, nor ever will be completely new or original.

Like I said, I don't expect something 100% original...but I'd like to see more than just "Wolverine: Dragon Age" happen there. As far as the basis for Fenris, I see nothing but a copy of what has already been created.

[Faunwea]

Don't recruit Fenris then? =\\ *shrugs*

Modifié par Faunwea, 19 juillet 2011 - 08:13 .

[xRiseAboveThis]

Meh, I think the similarities are pretty vague. Trust me, there are some fandoms that copy others right down to the smallest details, so that's pretty mild in terms of reusing ideas.

[Torax]

Lets see so all you have to go on is that they had a traumatic past that also had them in lots of pain?

That is where it all ends for the most part.

Firstly Striker had nothing to with the memory wipe actually. His memory wiping is a security reflex that his mind enacts when it's shocked by pain of great magnitude. It's how his mind was even wiped when he was younger when his abilities first manifested.

Fenris is tall and slender. Wolverine is short and stocky.

Fenris is a warrior who is able to phase his hand through people. Wolverine has/had indestructible metal grafted to his bones. Heightened animal reflexes. Increased Strength. Rapid cell production that has allowed him to live much longer than is normally allowed. looking say 40 when he was pushing 100. Besides the not knowing their memory then they're not truly all that much alike.

Hell, all Wolverine got from the Weapon X program was mostly metal for his bones. He already had the Mutant Abilities as well as the claws. The Weapon X program was trying to mostly make the other members more like Wolverine. When Fenris is angry it's just about things in his past. Unlike Wolverine that the longer he fights he becomes Feral due to his mutant abilities. Anger because of genes versus anger because of not letting go...

Edited to add.

Fenris' story is more about referencing a theological being of which his name comes from. His former master is the symbol of the Gods that wished to entrap him again. So at best you can attempt to argue that Wolverine who came out in the 70's and Stryker who came out in the 80's are just rip off concepts from the same sources. Also a giant leap.

Modifié par Torax, 19 juillet 2011 - 09:18 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

If Fenris is Wolverine, then that means that, somewhere, there must be a Thedan equivalent to Deadpool.

WANT.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:00 .

[Torax]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

If Fenris is Wolverine, then that means that, somewhere, there must be a Thedan equivalent to Deadpool.

WANT.

[Wulfram]

Considering wikipedia says the word Wolverine quite probably derives from "Little Wolf", I don't think the similarities are accidental.

But Fenris is his own character.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I see your

Torax wrote...

And raise you

This

Also, I've decided that the Thedan equivalent of Deadpool is Killake. He was an inconsequential apprentice of Danarius's back when Fenris was a slave. This is how I imagine their reunion.


Killake: Hey Fenris! It's me! Rememer me? Danarius totally gave me awesome markings like yours, after he perfected the technique on you. We're practically brothers.

Fenris: You are not my brother.

Killake: Oh come on, two escaped elven slaves, alone against the world, seeking freedom, or is it... salvation.

Fenris: You are not an elf, nor were you ever a slave. Cease this prattling and leave me.

Killake: Oh guess what? Apparently these markings gave me magical powers. I can totally summon demons now, but the markings keep them from taking over, I think. Probably. None have taken over so far, anyway. Look, *he starts flickering and red cracks appear in his skin* Abomination on, abomination off, Abomination on, abomination off. Neat Huh?

Fenris: That is it, you have destroyed my last shred of patience. *Fenris puts his fist through Killake's chest, gets a puzzled expression on his face, and withdraws his hand, free of blood* What manner of sorcery is this?

Killake: Oh yeah, these markings totally let me phase through anything, apparently even phasing through your phasetastic self. I'm pretty much immortal now!

Fenris: *explodes*

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:23 .

[Torax]

You should join in with those that try to claim Fenris is a rip off of Witcher...

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Every brooding stoic needs a manic hyperactive amoral jokester to make them seem ridiculous.

[Sinaxi]

Hugh Jackman is the epitome of hotness as Wolverine. Fenris be damned.

[RampantAndroid]

Torax wrote...

Lets see so all you have to go on is that they had a traumatic past that also had them in lots of pain?

That is where it all ends for the most part.

Firstly Striker had nothing to with the memory wipe actually. His memory wiping is a security reflex that his mind enacts when it's shocked by pain of great magnitude. It's how his mind was even wiped when he was younger when his abilities first manifested.

Fenris is tall and slender. Wolverine is short and stocky.

Fenris is a warrior who is able to phase his hand through people. Wolverine has/had indestructible metal grafted to his bones. Heightened animal reflexes. Increased Strength. Rapid cell production that has allowed him to live much longer than is normally allowed. looking say 40 when he was pushing 100. Besides the not knowing their memory then they're not truly all that much alike.

Hell, all Wolverine got from the Weapon X program was mostly metal for his bones. He already had the Mutant Abilities as well as the claws. The Weapon X program was trying to mostly make the other members more like Wolverine. When Fenris is angry it's just about things in his past. Unlike Wolverine that the longer he fights he becomes Feral due to his mutant abilities. Anger because of genes versus anger because of not letting go...

Edited to add.

Fenris' story is more about referencing a theological being of which his name comes from. His former master is the symbol of the Gods that wished to entrap him again. So at best you can attempt to argue that Wolverine who came out in the 70's and Stryker who came out in the 80's are just rip off concepts from the same sources. Also a giant leap.

Actually Stryker DID wipe Wolverine's memory. If you watch the movie at least, I don't know the comics...the shot to the head wipes his memory.

If you turn Fenris over Denerius says he will (or a letter says he did) wipe Fenris' memory so he'll be a good little slave again.

The painful transformation...the urge to kill their master (which really come from Frankenstein, to some degree I imagine.)

Similarly, Fenris is betrayed by family, wolverine by his lover...

[Torax]

Movies do NOT count. Hugh Jackman is not James Howlett!

[RampantAndroid]

Torax wrote...

Movies do NOT count. Hugh Jackman is not James Howlett!

It's literature. It counts.

And sorry, but comics where....character X is dead. No, they're not! Yes, they are. No, that's an alternate universe. Oh well, they're resurrected. But they're dead again. But they have a clone...

Good grief.

My point stands. Fenris resembles Wolverine of the movies.

[Apathy1989]

I wish Fenris was a badass like Wolverine, not such an angsty emo.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Damn kids with your 'emos.' When I was young we had punks and goths and they were separate and glad to be. Also, both sects generally contained tall beefy guys who would sooner kick your teeth in than look at you, so there was always some danger in snidely making fun of them. Oh people still did, of course, but then sometimes they got their teeth kicked in. Counterculture was interesting, and you didn't just label everyone who wore clothes as either an emo or a hipster, based on their amount of whining versus smugness. We had real subcultures back then. Times were good.

I tried to explain modern youth subcultures to an older person recently, and I can't. Also, how many of you kids know that emo originally stood for emotional hardcore? Precious few. Even your subcultures can't maintain their own legacies. Kids today I tell ya.

Still, with any luck you'll get a really way-out subculture soon enough, and I'll be proven wrong. Oh how I would love to see Steampunk be a thing that kids wore in school cafeterias, and while standing around sullenly in the malls. Only they wouldn't stand around sullenly, they'd stand around cheefully, offering to show you their clockwork.

[jaybee93]

Lmao @ culturalgeekgirl. You are fantastic.

To the OP, well spotted. I hadn't thought of it but it makes sense. I doubt it was intentional, but the similarities are interesting. It's the personalities that makes them different, though. Wolverine would kick Fenris' ass without putting down his cigar.

[Heidenreich]

jaybee93 wrote...

Lmao @ culturalgeekgirl. You are fantastic.

To the OP, well spotted. I hadn't thought of it but it makes sense. I doubt it was intentional, but the similarities are interesting. It's the personalities that makes them different, though. Wolverine would kick Fenris' ass without putting down his cigar.

I know, we love her


To the reply about the OP. They're not right, nor does it make sence. Fenris has about as much in common with Wolverine as he does with Spartacus.

Fenris and Wolverine = bad stuff happened and they lost their memory.
Spartacus and Fenris = they're slaves who rise above!


So, yea... They don't call him Wolverine because of the claws, the call him Wolverine because he's very easy to anger, like an actual Wolverine. Fenris, by comparison is -not- easy to anger. He only loses his temper in the face of his own slavery. Aka: Hadriana, and Denarius (and the use of his sister against him).

The fact that both names MEAN "Little Wolf" are almost inconcequencial. Fenris is "little wolf" because he's protective of his pack, aka, a body guard. Wolverine is "Little wolf" because that's what a wolverine looks like.


So, as I said before, nothing is new or original in littature. I could bring up a dozen characters with simmilarities to Fenris.


Also, it shames the nerd-community that you used MOVIE Wolverine as an example.  Kids.<_<

Modifié par Heidenreich, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:52 .

[jamesp81]

Heidenreich wrote...

RampantAndroid wrote...

So, did anyone else see the similarities between Fenris and the whole Wolverine story? Something done to him that was amazingly painful but makes him into a weapon and wiped out his memory...angry and wants to kill Col Stryker, I mean...Denearius.

I cannot be the only person who noticed this...and while I don't expect Bioware to come up with 100% original never heard of before ideas...I also don't like to see just a total carbon copy going on...

Everything in litature has already been done.

Thus, any simmilarities between characters is to be expected.

Nothing writen has ever been, nor ever will be completely new or original.

+1000 internets.  See my sig line, in fact.

There are only a few plot lines and a few characters that have ever been written.  Their names and faces and details change from story to story, but they're always there.  Fenris is one of these archtypes.

[Torax]

Fenris was named little wolf by Danarius. It ended up making him a hyperbole of the legend of Fenrir. The Wolf that bite off the hand of the God Tyr that was sent down to trap him. Fenrir was being tied up and trapped because of a prophesy. This was also referenced in the White Wolf series. So for example it's more likely his white hair and name is a nod to that than anything. Danarius however called him his little wolf to mock him. Wolf as in his Dog and also his Body Guard.

Modifié par Torax, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:25 .

[jaybee93]

Just to play the devil's advocate here, there's a difference between an archetype and an homage. The similarities between Wolverine and Fenris are kind of specific. I've never heard of the archetype of the warrior with powerful gunk in his body who can't remember anything before the operation. Though I suppose you could stretch it to just the magical warrior with no memory. That sounds slightly more archetypical.

[Torax]

They're probably trying to go with the brooding anti-hero type. The memory wipe is also not a new concept. Was not even new when Wolverine was made in the 70's. Should also note that when I referenced the paranoids who claim Fenris was a rip off of Witcher? His mind was wiped. Revan's mind was wiped. Should I go on?