Ok, so maybe we're talking about tropes here rather than archetypes.
Wolverine, I mean....Fenris
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RampantAndroid
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#27
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 06:29
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It's just funny. I could argue that Fenris ripped off parts of the Monkey King from the Journey to the West tales. That doesn't necessarily mean it's what the writers were doing. Just that they happen to have things in common.
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#28
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 06:54
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I think the idea of their similarity comes from the whole "horrible experiments to improve their combat power caused unimaginable pain and also erased their memories" thing. To simplify that extremely specific origin into "lol amnesia" is rather disingenuous. Also, the gruff and growly voice and the animal name, and the "supposed 'loner' becomes part of a team and makes friends," trope. Oh, and then there's the whole 'my past keeps showing up to mess with my current life' trope. That's a larger handful of big similarities than you've been acknowledging. This comparison is not based on nothing.
That said, beyond that rather heaping handful of commonalities, they're not that similar when you get right down to their emotional character arc in the present. Fenris's central character premise is that of a slave learning to be free, and that's what really separates him from Wolverine. There's also Fenris's stubborn and unyielding hatred of mages, and his attachment issues, which are pretty much the polar opposite of anything Wolverine does or thinks. All of these things are pretty big portions of who Fenris is, so I'd say it's one of those cases where the backstory and 'emotional set design,' as it were, are similar, but most of the core story is different.
That said, beyond that rather heaping handful of commonalities, they're not that similar when you get right down to their emotional character arc in the present. Fenris's central character premise is that of a slave learning to be free, and that's what really separates him from Wolverine. There's also Fenris's stubborn and unyielding hatred of mages, and his attachment issues, which are pretty much the polar opposite of anything Wolverine does or thinks. All of these things are pretty big portions of who Fenris is, so I'd say it's one of those cases where the backstory and 'emotional set design,' as it were, are similar, but most of the core story is different.
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#29
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 07:23
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RampantAndroid wrote...
So, did anyone else see the
similarities between Fenris and the whole Wolverine story? Something
done to him that was amazingly painful but makes him into a weapon and
wiped out his memory...angry and wants to kill Col Stryker, I
mean...Denearius.
I cannot be the only person who noticed
this...and while I don't expect Bioware to come up with 100% original
never heard of before ideas...I also don't like to see just a total
carbon copy going on...
No, you're not. That said, his Wolverine-ish backstory was what made me like his character. I disagree that he was a 'carbon copy' of Wolverine, though. I don't recall Wolverine wrestling with his past as a slave, nor do I recall him advocating persecution of a particular group based on nothing more than his own stubborn opinions.
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Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 07:36
Tonia Laird
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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Damn kids with your 'emos.' When I was young we had punks and goths and they were separate and glad to be.
Still, with any luck you'll get a really way-out subculture soon enough, and I'll be proven wrong. Oh how I would love to see Steampunk be a thing that kids wore in school cafeterias, and while standing around sullenly in the malls. Only they wouldn't stand around sullenly, they'd stand around cheefully, offering to show you their clockwork.
That would be spectacular.
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Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 07:40
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Wolverine was just running from a bunch of angry Canadians that wanted him back for their test project. He was offered shelter via Xavier who then convinced him to do something good for once. Since overall he's good at just fighting and killing. While they both get angry at times. Wolverine's anger is genetic and he always has to keep it in check. In the case of Fenris his sound files in fights do make him sound angry but to be fair warrior abilities also make them yell. Aveline roars to so that doesn't really say anything. Why I labeled it all as things in commons and ending there.
The people accusing Bioware of ripping off Witcher had many things in common they could label to Fenris cause it's all been done before for hundreds of years in stories. Labels or parts that can be attributed many times over. 3 points of a multifaceted does not equal a whole. Wolverine did eventually develop a soft side for some that he protected. Jubilee comes to mind as one for example he treated almost like a daughter. So the few nice warnings Fenris gives Bethany means he's also Wolverine? I think not. There are other anti hero types that usually have at least one person they're kind to so that the reader/viewer develops sympathy for the character.
In Pitch Black they needed to at least show some redeeming sides to the main character so they had him at least kinder or tolerant of Jack. This was a tool to make him seem less like a opportunistic killer. Been done over and over. This is not the way of Fenris anyway. Fenris is generally even tempered though Slaver and Murder does anger him but that would anger Aveline to so it's not unique to his character even within the same game.
The people accusing Bioware of ripping off Witcher had many things in common they could label to Fenris cause it's all been done before for hundreds of years in stories. Labels or parts that can be attributed many times over. 3 points of a multifaceted does not equal a whole. Wolverine did eventually develop a soft side for some that he protected. Jubilee comes to mind as one for example he treated almost like a daughter. So the few nice warnings Fenris gives Bethany means he's also Wolverine? I think not. There are other anti hero types that usually have at least one person they're kind to so that the reader/viewer develops sympathy for the character.
In Pitch Black they needed to at least show some redeeming sides to the main character so they had him at least kinder or tolerant of Jack. This was a tool to make him seem less like a opportunistic killer. Been done over and over. This is not the way of Fenris anyway. Fenris is generally even tempered though Slaver and Murder does anger him but that would anger Aveline to so it's not unique to his character even within the same game.
#32
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 08:03
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Tonia Laird wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Damn kids with your 'emos.' When I was young we had punks and goths and they were separate and glad to be.
Still, with any luck you'll get a really way-out subculture soon enough, and I'll be proven wrong. Oh how I would love to see Steampunk be a thing that kids wore in school cafeterias, and while standing around sullenly in the malls. Only they wouldn't stand around sullenly, they'd stand around cheefully, offering to show you their clockwork.
That would be spectacular.
"Show you my clockwork" ... yeah, I've heard that line before.
And Goths were basically the lovechild of Gothics and Punks.
I'd love to see kids hanging out in Steamy dress, talking in Victorian slang and taking pride in manners, however ... that would be a fantastic turn of events.
