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[Boiny Bunny]

I'll just be clear here and say that I thought the main plots in both FO3 and NV were utter garbage. I don't play FO for the incredibly weak main plots. I play it for the world itself. In all of my time playing FO3 and NV, I probably spent around 5% on main quests. The other 95% was exploring.

[Addai]

VoiceOfPudding wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Fallout 3 is what got me playing modern video RPGs. I should curse them, but I love the game too much. FNV took longer to win me over, but it did eventually. I would rejoice about another Fallout title either way.

Same here but after FO:NV I just can't touch FO3 anymore. Of course I've only played 3 on PS3 whereas I've NV on PC - that could be part of the problem

No?  I love it.  I did a replay a while ago and was still discovering new things.  But I don't typically play FNV on hardcore mode.  I do like the weapon mods and expanded crafting.  I never used the faction stuff.

[naughty99]

VoiceOfPudding wrote...

after FO:NV I just can't touch FO3 anymore. 

I feel exactly the same way

[VoiceOfPudding]

virumor wrote...

I really enjoyed some of the companions in NV, and a few sidequests, but thought the main quest was incredibly boring overall and some of the factions laughable. Exploration was also bad, the place felt even more cramped than the Capital Wasteland and most locations felt like they were just put in to fill the map since they contained nothing of note... some named locations were literally a building with two rooms with nothing in it but a few giant ants.

The music was also a huge downer compared to FO3.

It didn't really help much that the only storyline I was really interested in, is being saved for a DLC.

On the music I'm about even: FO3 or NV I think both suit their respective settings.

What i preferred about NV over 3 was going to the different tribes and convincing them to aid you or destroying them. Quest design in general seemed to me to be far better in NV as well

[Chromie]

KaidanWilliamsShepard wrote...

I cant believe people actualy think that Bethesda did a bad job on Fallout 3....wow.
It was the single most immersive gaming experience i have ever had, and i hope Obsidian is stripped of all of their Fallout rights by next year. Bethesda forever!

Oh gawd fanboy. 

I had high expectations for Fallout 3. I played the hell out of Fallout 1 and 2. While I didn't expect it to be a clone I did expect to have the crazy possibilites of the first two. I was also really dissapointed when I purposely made a low INT character and I had regular conversations. That really changed the game in the first two. I would hope Bethesda is stripped of all their Fallout rights but that's not happening. 

Too bad Fallout Van Buren had to be cancelled. 
Just look at these great screenshots!

www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php



http://www.nma-fallo...php?pic_id=2075

VoiceOfPudding wrote...

EDIT: Also +1000 for Liz Lemon avatar and +500 for Jack Donaghy sig

Word.

Modifié par Ringo12, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:29 .

[Rockworm503]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

my response after someone calls New Vegas an expansion
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think that depends on your definition of 'expansion'.  In my books, it meets the definition in virtually every way possible.

There is no rule which states that an expansion cannot be better than the original game.

Yeah umm expansion is a add-on to a game.  It may look like an expansion but umm it doesn't require FO3 to play it.  Which means its not one.

[Boiny Bunny]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

my response after someone calls New Vegas an expansion
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think that depends on your definition of 'expansion'.  In my books, it meets the definition in virtually every way possible.

There is no rule which states that an expansion cannot be better than the original game.

Yeah umm expansion is a add-on to a game.  It may look like an expansion but umm it doesn't require FO3 to play it.  Which means its not one.

Which would make it a 'stand alone expansion'.  There are a ton of those out there.  One well known one is Half Life: Blue Shift.

That is a personal view though.  Different people will have different views on what exactly constitutes an 'expansion'.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:48 .

[Rockworm503]

Seagloom wrote...

virumor wrote...

I'll never understand how someone can love NV but hate FO3. NV is just FO3 with a few bells and whistles.

To be fair I enjoyed what I played of "Fallout 3". It was not an abomination. It just lacked... something. It did not feel much like the original two "Fallout" games in anything but name and general background story. It was also woefully incomplete until Bethesda released "Broken Steel".

For me its 2 different sides of the same coin.  I never played FO 1 or 2 so I can't judge the story against them.  There's no question that FO3's story is weak compared to NV but it makes up for that with better atmosphere.  FO3 feels like I'm exploring an apocolyptic wasteland.. NV feels like I'm exploring a desert.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Seagloom wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I hope it's Obsidian working on Fallout: 4. Bethesda's take on Fallout is terrible. Even if it is Bethesda working on Fallout: 4, I hope Obsidian gets another "spin off" Fallout game. What is funny is the fact that Obsidian's "spin offs" are actually more canon than Bethesda's games.

This. This all the way.

Thirded.

[jesuno]

Hmm, I liked both Fallout 3 and New Vegas, New Vegas a little more, but being the dirty console playing rat I was in my childhood, I missed out on 1 and 2. I should really download those from GOG.

[Faust1979]

Ringo12 wrote...

KaidanWilliamsShepard wrote...

I cant believe people actualy think that Bethesda did a bad job on Fallout 3....wow.
It was the single most immersive gaming experience i have ever had, and i hope Obsidian is stripped of all of their Fallout rights by next year. Bethesda forever!

Oh gawd fanboy. 

I had high expectations for Fallout 3. I played the hell out of Fallout 1 and 2. While I didn't expect it to be a clone I did expect to have the crazy possibilites of the first two. I was also really dissapointed when I purposely made a low INT character and I had regular conversations. That really changed the game in the first two. I would hope Bethesda is stripped of all their Fallout rights but that's not happening. 

Too bad Fallout Van Buren had to be cancelled. 
Just look at these great screenshots!

www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php



http://www.nma-fallo...php?pic_id=2075

VoiceOfPudding wrote...

EDIT: Also +1000 for Liz Lemon avatar and +500 for Jack Donaghy sig

Word.

Those screesn would have looked nice back in the mid 90s but they wouldn't get me excited now Fallout 3 was an awesome gam e

[Morroian]

Ringo12 wrote...

I hope not. I hate Fallout 3. Rather Obsidian at least.

This.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Several aspects of Van Buren did make it into New Vegas though, so it wasn't a total loss...

Though the Bethesda sandbox did have big limitations on the scope of the game. Funnily enough, because of the sandbox, the game is a lot smaller than Van Buren.

[Rockworm503]

I find myself automatically hating anything from No Mutants Allowed... Some of the biggest elitist jerks I've ever seen.

[Seagloom]

Rockworm503 wrote...

FO3 feels like I'm exploring an apocolyptic wasteland.. NV feels like I'm exploring a desert.

That is exactly what you should feel, I think. The area around Vegas was not bombed to Hell the way D.C. and the west coast cities of "Fallout" 1&2 were. It should feel less like a wasteland considering it never became one.

Modifié par Seagloom, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:35 .

[slimgrin]

I like Fallout 3 but I'd rather they move on to something else.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Seagloom wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

FO3 feels like I'm exploring an apocolyptic wasteland.. NV feels like I'm exploring a desert.

That is exactly what you should feel, I think. The area around Vegas was not bombed to Hell the way D.C. and the west coast cities of "Fallout" 1&2 were. It should feel less like a wasteland considering it never became one.

I'd say that the setting of New Vegas (West Coast) is Post-Post-Apocalypse.

It's been 200+ years since the bombs fell and significant progress has been made since. New Vegas from a canonical standpoint is actually fine and the fact that they actually bothered address the issues of supply, production, electricity and other aspects of world plausibility was a nice touch.

[naughty99]

Where do you all think Fallout 4 will take place?

New York
Los Angeles
Chicago
Miami
San Francisco
Texas
New Orleans

???

I think it will be some kind of iconic city, within the US, since taking place in another country would make it hard to recreate the pre-war 1950's US vibe

Modifié par naughty99, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:46 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Los Angeles (Boneyard) was already in Fallout 1. Presumably, it's a big part of the NCR by the time New Vegas comes into the picture.

San Francisco was in Fallout 2 and a giant box of lulz. I think they are also apart of the NCR by the time New Vegas is set.

I am hoping for a Boston/New York or otherwise New England setting so Bethesda can focus on new factions like the Commonwealth.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:49 .

[naughty99]

Do you think L.A. and S.F. are ruled out because they were in FO1&2?

[Faust1979]

naughty99 wrote...

Where do you all think Fallout 4 will take place?

New York
Los Angeles
Chicago
Miami
San Francisco
Texas
New Orleans

???

I think it will be some kind of iconic city, within the US, since taking place in another country would make it hard to recreate the pre-war 1950's US vibe

MIami would be cool 

Modifié par Faust1979, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:50 .

[Tommy6860]

mrcrusty wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I hope it's Obsidian working on Fallout: 4. Bethesda's take on Fallout is terrible. Even if it is Bethesda working on Fallout: 4, I hope Obsidian gets another "spin off" Fallout game. What is funny is the fact that Obsidian's "spin offs" are actually more canon than Bethesda's games.

This. This all the way.

Thirded.

I disagree, Obsidian has a pretty bad history of making technically flawed games, and they are not the same team as they were when they were Black Isle Studios, I wouldn't hold them in the same breath. Vegas was near broken at release, fortunately Steam had a fix witthin days after that. My experience with Obsidian started with KoTOR 2, which was great starting off (I thought the RPG elements were better than KoTOR and the influence system of NPCs was great), but the story became a total disaster by the time I was half-way through it, it was obviously rushed (I don't blame Obsidian so much for that part though). I sold that game after I played it once. However, I still have KoTOR (both Xbox and PC) of which IMO, is way superior overall. Then Alpha Protocol (did anyone feel that game was broken with the gameplay mechanics and enemy AI?), which I just regretted getting, I gave up on them after Vegas and therefore wouldn't give DSIII a look and that demo was unconvincing.

While I liked that F:NV went back to faction and story roots of F1&2, the NPCs were well thought out (I loved Cass and Boone), I thought it time to move away from that story and the technical flaws were more glaring than was Fallout 3 when it was released. Not only that (I know I've said this before), but Vegas had no combat system, perk system, leveling system, graphics and gameplay system originality as it played/looked exactly like Fallout 3, which made it worse, I felt like "been there, done that". Most of the music was all carried over as well. What I liked about Fallout 3 was the atmosphere and that it went away from  the western US location and did things on its own giving the Fallout series something fresh. At this point, I'd rather Bethesda do Fallout again or someone else give it a try to do the developing on Fallout 4..

What would be nice is to se the old Troika team get together and do Fallout 4 :-).

Modifié par Tommy6860, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:51 .

[KenKenpachi]

http://fallout.wikia.../wiki/Fallout_4

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

naughty99 wrote...

Do you think L.A. and S.F. are ruled out because they were in FO1&2?

Not necessarily, but I'd hate for Bethesda to touch butcher them.

Besides, what would the appeal be for a semi-civilised state within the NCR? The Mojave is rustic and frontier with plenty of conflict, but places like the Boneyard has become one of the NCR's biggest states, if not biggest outright.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:54 .

[slimgrin]

I'd rather see it take place in Europe somewhere, maybe Russia. That would be cool.